Subaru vs. 2g?
 

Hey all, I'm currently in the market for a new car. I've always had a thing for eclipses, but how would a 2g gsx stack up against a wrx(non-sti).

I've narrowed it down to a wrx or a gsx, and just curious as to everyone's opinions. The car would potentially be used for auto-x, as well as a few drag strip passes every now and then.

Has anyone had any experience with the newer wrx's? Im currently interested in an 09 wrx hatch. Just cant decide if I want to deal with that high of payments monthly.

Let me know!

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I used to own a 2g gsx and I now own an impreza 2.5 rs. I can honestly say that my stock 2.5 rs handles way better than my gsx. My buddy has a 02 or 03 (can't remember) wrx and that thing is much more comfortable than my old 2g. dsms are easy to make fast, but as far as reliability and drivability, I'd go with a wrx.

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I hear that the new subarus ride great! I test drove an 09 and I loved it.

Im honestly concerned with keeping up with some of my buddies though. I dont want to be the slow guy! How do the wrx's stand with the gsx in the 1/4 mile? Most of my friends run at rockfalls and what not. I know the new wrx's are putting 265 at the crank, and theres some people on the subaru forums that are claiming 230hp/277tq at the wheels.

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A stock '09 WRX will destroy a stock GSX in every performance aspect.

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When it comes to modding, the sky's the limit on both of these. It just takes money. Buy what you like :)

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Do what the pocket book says. Maybe find a nice used 08 WRX or something so you can get a lower payment. Brand new cars seem like a bit of waist of $$ to me. Get the tittle in your name, drive it off the lot and the value drops by $2K on the spot. (Or at least that's what it seems like) Seems dumb to me. Unless the 09's are THAT much better.

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^the 09s are "that" much better actually.

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How so?

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more power

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Ah. Its that simple I guess.

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lol yea, if you're gunna buy a new 08 or 09 you're dumb if you don't get an 09. My buddy is way into subys and he could tell ya more. I'm still a newb.

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I love 2g Talons (especially 97-98), this is a mitsu site after all, haha.

For the WRX I do believe they upped the power quite a bit, and I think a different turbo. Emily looked into one briefly, and the salesman listed a ton of upgrades for 09.

However, you can get a mint 2g with low miles and put a few thousand into it and it'll be much faster, half the cost of a newer wrx, but less reliable (though still not bad if you keep it reasonable, < 350whp). But if you're going to autox it, it's going to put you in SM vs a stock class, so you wont be as competitive at that point.

I guess it depends if you want to mod a cheap car, or have a newish comfortable car that is more reliable and performs better stock.

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newer is better, but if you ever find a babied GSX I'd get the GSX. like what Schiedes says, the sky's the limit for these cars. Sometimes I want to get a 2g 97-99 GSX just because of the looks. I'm not a big subbie fan because we're rivals! lol. jk, but it seems that subarus are just much are harder to work on and all. here's a 2g i found on craigslist.
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/cto/1112287023.html

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Yup, way more power and better suspension.

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...after they realised Mitsu was waxing the wrx and sti with their evo and the lancer ralliart. :D

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I am completely biased. In my opinion the GSX is what I'd prefer, but a ten year old car vs. a brand new/near new car? Thats really the biggest thing. If my plans were not to have a crazy car, a daily driver, I'd definately get the newer car, simply for reliability/comfort.

But when it comes to making power, and going balls out, Subaru's are NOT the car to get in the 4 cylinder world. Mitsu's definitely take the cake.

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^I agree.

My question is which is a better dd (light modding). Wrx or Evo?

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Not to start a fight or anything, but the ralliart is a joke :).

Back on topic, I would go with the WRX honestly...but I am kind of biased. It will be much more reliable and after about 1k in mods ( Full exhaust / Tune) you will be able to beat Stock Evo's/STi's at the track. Not sure what your buddies run but you mentioned not wanting to be the "Slow Guy".

My .02

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Lolz at Roon coming out of no where to defend Subies.... rofl.

I tuned ralliart would school your STi. :D

Pick whichever car you like more. :)

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I LOLd too. Of course a car with 1k in mods will beat the other cars stock... you could just as easily put mods into the Mitsu, probably more easily in fact. Also ralliart have all closed differentials, I don't think the WRX can say that.

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A real man would get a STI.

But I am definitely biased.

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Don't you mean an Evo? JK LOLZZZZ


I would get a WRX over a 2G. But I would get an 05 WRX personally, not a fan of the new body style AT ALL. The 08/09's are gay in every aspect, except the 09 sports a higher power EJ25T (or whatever the engine code is now).

I happen to like the EJ20T's, they make decent power and are fun. Not sure but I think the newer WRX's have open front diffs, anyone else know about this? I'm pretty sure the 02-05 had viscous LSD's in the front (hey better than nothing right?).

2G's are awesome, but the WRX would be a bit more fun I think, they have better balance and corner really well. As far as power, I think the 2G could be faster with the same amount of modding money in a straight, but again the WRX is still a better car.

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Oh and yeah a Ralliart that's tuned, would probably walk an STi depending on the STi year.

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I also agree with this, as well.

Evo wasn't listed in his options, and you know I gotta pimp the STI skills. If I had to give advice, I'd say get one of each (Evo and STI). They look like pure sex together.

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I know :) I was just giving you shit, and as far as pure sex together, for sure. Shane's garage is very fortunate, haha.

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I bought a brand new 04 WRX in 04 just for the sake of having a brand new car. When It started feeling like any other used car after about 6 months, I decided I needed an STi instead, but had to wait three years to get it. Waay better car. I guess what I'm trying to say is get the better of the two cars by getting it used (STi FTW). New is completely overrated IMHO

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Pffffft, real men drive a stick, not some slap shifter wanna be tranny. :)

I drive a tuned WRX btw!!!

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WRX new = 25k

STi / EVO New = 33-35k

WRX + 1k in mods = 26k and is faster than both, obviously it is lacking in the suspension and creature comfort departments but the OP didnt really list those as things he cares about :).

But, buy which car you like :).....as long as it is the WRX.

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if i were you id find a car that someone put all their money into and now they are laid off or just plain broke from building up their car that now they are dumping it.

How often have we seen that allot of us DSM owners have plugged thousands into our cars only to get sick of it or decide to cut our losses and sell the cars at a fire sale price.
good for the purchaser especialy if your talkin about bringin the cash

as far as you wanting a wrx. The roseville police dept just seized a really nice one for drunk driving id contact them see what they want to sell it for i bet you could get it cheap. I heard they are having trouble selling it at the auction i cant see why though the car is friggen sweet.

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Someone correct me if i'm wrong, but i believe the older 08 model used ej20t motor with 2.0 displacement with a 13t turbo. The new one is a spin off of the ej25t that use to be in the STI's with either a 13t on it again, or something along the size of a 15 if i'm not mistaken. I know it's a different set up, so you can't swap from a 08-09 on the turbo's, but the basic set up is larger, more powerful. With the new 09 your getting a 2.5 STI motor from the old cars(08) with a less agressive tune from what i ran into when they were first coming out. Like i said, it's been a few months since i looked into it, but that's just off the top of my head.

If anyone can prove me wrong, please do.

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Get a used STi, they the shiznit. :drive1:

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WRX's started coming with 2.5's in 2006-2007 model year and have had them since.

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Ok, they did. Know what turbo they had on them? I thought something changed motor wise from the 08-09.

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Not sure about the newer ones, but I know 04-05 WRX's still used the TD04, while the STi had the VF39. Not sure what they went with 06 and after

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Sounds like a form of the VF turbo, i've seen vf38 and vf39 listed. Sounds like the 2.5 wrx from i think 2006 and on sounds good!

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you could buy my 2g for cheep and go from there lol