what to do with my engine?
 

So my engine is in need of a cylinder head ( 7 bolt ) that would run me somewhere in the low 2 to mid 2k's...

OR I could do a stock short block that is redone with the whole 6 bolt swap and everything for about 3,400-4,000.....

What should I do??? the 7 bolt has 40k on it and the 6 bolt has 100k on the short block that would be rebuilt and freshend up...

My car is at map at the moment and I'm sick of it! I need this running asap and map is gonna work with me a bit if at all possible...

Also the price with for the 6 bolt includes a built cylinder head..

I have a couple threads out there that discuse my upgrades and where im sitting with the current head so feel free to check them out and then give your input.

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Why is a head going to cost you $2000? If you don't want to spend $$ on the car anymore a used good condition head would be much cheaper.

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Get a cheap head (have sold 3 of them for under $200 ready to bolt on) and install it yourself.

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+1 even installed by a shop, should be ~$1k or less.

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+2!

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I sold my stock 2g head (minus cams/gears) for $30, you can find them super cheap.

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my head rebuild was 300 at cylinder head express. just a stock rebuild though. and another 500 for the port work I had done. isn't maps stage 1 cylinder head only like 900? or is that 2k with labor? and I'm sure there are plenty of people on this site that would help you do the work too

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+ whatever everyone said. I had mine 6 bolt head installed by MAP also. If your lucky you will find a really good Non- turbo head at the junk yard like what I did. Or buy it off someone here. MAP did a great job and everything from head gasket, arp head, new front case, new oil pump, labor, Balance belt removed, etc for under 2 grand. Chris, Alex or Kyle will let you know what you need. Their really helpful. +1 for MAP.

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A typical head out of a junkyard is $50-300 in good useable condition. Then you can have it cleaned, decked, tanked, and a valve job done for a roughly $150-400, depends upon the machine shop.

You figure labor to swap a head isn't that crazy. 7.1 hours per alldata for a headgasket job, figure an additional 1 hr for component swap stuff, so 8 hours @ whatever shop rate.

If you can do it yourself, great. If not, it is not a cheap option. What is your quote for the used 6 bolt engine? You might as well go all out and just drop in a built 6 bolt engine if you are going that route.

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2k for a rebuilt head? I spent 2k to have someone build my whole long block.

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^good point, hell I am sure there are plenty of guys on here that will build you a motor if you pay them 2k

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You in Lino? There's a shop in Andover, not too far, called Northern Cylinder Head. They took my trashed head, removed my good springs/retainers out of it and put them into my good head, decked the head, cleaned the head (didn't clean the valves tho, bastards), swapped my SS exh mani studs over to the good head. Ended up being right around like $150 if I remember right. Not the "best" headwork I've ever seen, but not bad at all for the price.

If there is nothing currently wrong with the 7-bolt, and all you need is a head, and you want it back and running asap, just slap a used refurbished head on it and be done.

I've also had the Crystal Red Rooster do headwork for me. They're work was EXCELLENT in my opinion, but the price tag was also a bit higher.

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I think I might be going with the 6 bolt option.. I got quoted on everything that I need plus a rebuild and assembly and all the gaskets arps, the swap and wiring, etc.. 3770 for everything out the door at map including a built head with my bc 272's put in and all PLUS TAX.. Good price??

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Just go for it so you can get your car back and running!

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Stock rebuild or aftermarket internals?

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stock...

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Under $4k for a fully rebuilt long-block including the swap labor is a great price IMO.

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Yea, but I thought he was wanting a built motor? Why do it twice unless you can do it yourself for free? I wouldn't want to pay for labor on two motor swaps.

However I'd just skip the built motor altogether. Get this stock rebuild and you'll probably be fine past 500whp on MAPs dyno. What do you mean by built head? Springs/cams? Or 1mm oversize valves, porting, valve job, etc? A built head can cost over $1000 alone.

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Ya and its a built head too

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What kinda turbo are you on, and what are your power goals? If you're still running an OEM shortblock, who cares about a built head at that power level. Maybe cams and some better springs. Anything other then that is money better spent elsewhere.

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I have a 1g head for sale with everything to do the swap. Let me know if you want to go that route.
Includes:
Head with stock valves and springs.
Tstat housing
Water Pipe
1g Black CAS
All for $300 plus shipping

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I'm getting the head for a good price and it's never been installed or anything! all fresh and ready to go..

as for my setup

SCM6152E
greddy front mount
ported 2g exhaust mani
ported 2g 02 housing with custom tial 38mm external wg ( 02 dump )
680cc injectors ( for now )
Pump gas ( for now )
ECMlink
3" GM MAS
full exhaust ( thermal )
manual boost ( hallman )
bc 272's
Arp head studs
act 2100
Fresh tranny rebuild
Tokico Illumina's ( the kit )

want to boost 25psi on the 6 bolt

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If I wasnt getting this head for a good price I prob. would jump on this but I just cant pass up the deal... thanks though

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Posting this again: what do you mean by built head? Springs/cams? Or 1mm oversize valves, porting, valve job, etc? A built head can cost over $1000 alone with parts and machine work.

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Sorry I saw it but I didn't know exactly so I was gonna check and see then post up what it is.... I'm not sure yet but as soon as I know I will let you know...

Also, I'm thinking about just doing the built longblock but I am not 100% sure yet...

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Do you know how much 25psi is in power? what is the reason for this number?
I believe you put 350whp is your goal, now since you are good friends with mike I am pretty sure that you will be wanting to make more once you get a little time at 350 (depending where you make it and how much response you like).

Just so you know everyone is helping to save you from throwing money at the car, a lot of us here have in the tradition of DSMs turned into mechanics/DIYers on these cars.

Good luck.

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Well I was planning on 20 psi on the 7 bolt but with the 6 bolt I want 25 psi and at least 400awhp and If I do the built long block I want 450awhp..

I know you all want to save me money but this is my way of being fed up with my car and doing this will keep me from selling it like mr.98gsx...

I love my car and hope to never sell it... Im also getting it for a pretty good deal.

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Cool man, well good luck.

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Thanks I'm gonna need it!

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You can probably achieve 450whp without a built motor, just a thought. Especially on a DynoJet, no questions.

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I know but If I build it now then my goals can go above and beyond what the current goals are on stock tranny so like I said 450awhp and then when I get the built tranny 550awhp! and from there idk but I'm gonna build it up the best I can little by little...

As for the head Its pretty much a stage 2 map head for about $1,300 or so... That I'm getting for a decent deal and putting my bc272s in..

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You will get bored with 450awhp too, I am.lol.

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Well this setup will last me for a couple years prob. but I dont plan on selling my car so....

Maybe little things here and there like fp manifold or a sheet metal intake manifold... different 02 housing ect...

For a 2g eclipse I think that its pretty good... but thats just me personally.

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Ok well I'm 99% positive that I am doing a fully built long block and turning the boost up to 25psi!! After the breakin period of course...

I want 450awhp!! Just keeping those who are interested up to date with the motor build.

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450whp on e85? Plan on spending $$$ if you want to get over that. Running dual pumps in a 2g seems to be pretty tough. And you could achieve that with a stock 6 bolt at DB, probably 520whp at MAP.

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lol, Well its a good goal to shoot for this year since its just starting so we will see what happens...

For now I just need to get my car running and go from there ya know?

I would like to run e85 within the next couple months.. I wanna see what the out come is gonna be on pump first!

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It's time to learn to use that round thing that you put your hands on. There's more to driving a car than going in a straight line.

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I do agree.

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HAHA, I know. Right now im all about the straight line, thats what my setup is good for. Im in the process of getting my coilovers put in when they arrive tomorrow.

Chris, if you want to buy my 1000cc injectors, I will sell them to you. I need bigger ones.

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That's actually a decent mod list you have going.

Although I still do not think you need to spend money on a MAP Stg 2 head. This is just my opinion. If I was in your shoes, all I would do is get a very mild port done (basically clean up any casting imperfections), and get some basic spring upgrades like Crowers. Anything more then that, I personally think it's money spent better elsewhere. For you, I see you don't have a wideband on your list. I also see you're on an ACT 2100, which I forsee you running into issues with at that power level. You're considering E85 but still on 680 injectors. That, and possible fuel pump upgrade, are both things you need to take into consideration if going to E85. All of those things I would definately consider money better spent IMO.

But looks like you're going to have a fairly solid setup, good luck with it!