Project Black Talon
 

1st Gen Talons have to be my favorite DSM's, epecially black. I got lucky and found one last summer from a guy in Iowa. He trailered it here and sold it ot me for 650$ with no motor or tranny. I finally decided its time for my 1990 Eclipse to go, its rusting, blew fourth gear in the tranny to the high heavens, and the motor only ad 90 psi across the board. Still made 380 hp and 400 lbs of torque at MAP with an Evo III 16g :). Anywho heres the talon..

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I picked up a 2.4 liter 4g64 out of a 92 Dodge Colt Vista, at a junk yard north of Saint Cloud. Had the machine work done to it by John Gosh, great guy to work with, does great work, and is very helpful.

I am installing 8.8:1 Wiseco pistons, Eagle rods and ACL tri-metal bearings.

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I installed the pistons and rods today. The wrist pin seemed kinda tight on the connecting rod bushing with the very first piston/rod I put together. It would slide back and fourth on the wrist pin, but seemed kinda tight. Im not gonna worry about it.

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Nice, was it just no motor? Tranny and everything still in it? If so that's a steal for $650. I'm a 1g nut myself, what set-up are ya putting on the 2.4?

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The talon came with no motor or tranny. Just starting off with an Evo III 16g, 1850cc injectors, E85 , BC 280's and lots of boost. Then upgrading to a Holset 6 blade Hx40 :sport017:

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Wow, that's a hell of a clean car for $650! What a steal! Was it all stock, or was there anything done to it?

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Heck ya, nice deal.

I would of went with higher compression if you are going to use E85.

Sounds like a beast keep us updated.

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Holsets are for losers lol. Sounds like a fun build, but why bother with the 16g on the 2.4L

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To get things rolling sleepydsm , thats all.

The highest compression pistons Wiseco offered was 8.8:1 for an 87mm motor, unless of course I called them and special ordered a set.

The car pretty much stock except the ABS was eliminated (I would have done the same), and had a walbro 255hp in the tank. It didnt come with the rims or tires shown in the pic but came with stock rims and tires. The tires looked almost brand new though!

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Lookin pretty good!

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Looks awesome. I didn't know about the wisecos i roll stock bottom end cause I don't make much power.

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Looks great, and that's a steal for what you payed. You're gonna have me looking for deals the next couple weeks.

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I was debating whether to remove my power steering or not. Than I though why not run an aftermarket P/S pump with a built in reservoir where the a/c compressor used to be. Anybody have any input/ideas on this?

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If you're daily driving the car, or if you do alot of 90* parking and slow turns, I wouldn't suggest removing the power steering. I took it out of my car, and sometimes I wish I still had it.

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power steering is a must unless your feeling strong everytime you drive the car. its a very clean car for what you paid for it! Those are some HUGE injectors. I guess that goes with the saying GO BIG OR GO HOME.. What kind of power are you looking to get...

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I am just fine without my PS, and I have a welded center diff too..

-A. Swift

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Project updates with pics

http://www.mitsustyle.com/photopost/...um/Engine1.jpg

Installed rebuilt head with Arp L19's and Fel Pro Permatorque head gasket

http://www.mitsustyle.com/photopost/...um/Engine2.jpg

Laid in the Brian Crower 280's and Unorthodox Cam Gears

http://www.mitsustyle.com/photopost/...m/Engine10.jpg

Constructed the exhaust side and timing components

http://www.mitsustyle.com/photopost/...um/Engine5.jpg

http://www.mitsustyle.com/photopost/...um/Engine3.jpg

Ill also degreed the camshafts. If anyone else wants help degreeing there cams.......

Kiss my :aikido:, it was a pain and I never want to do it again, lol.

I had to advance the exhaust 2.5 degrees and retard the intake about 6 degrees.

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Damn, isn't 6* like a whole tooth? That's a lot less overlap.

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I think it ended up that way because I degreed a 2.4 with a DOHC head

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damn...this wants me to get a 1g dsm! nice and beastly build man! you still on the E316G?

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Yea probably till the end of the summer, then Ill upgrade to a Holset Hx40 to make use of my 1850cc FIC BluMax injectors I got today :)

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This needs an update

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i gotta holset if your looking for one

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Did I meet you, I cant put the face to your screen name.

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I would think it would have more to do with the 2.0 cam gears then the DOHC head. In the end the numbers do not mean much, as long as the cams are doing what they should be doing.

~John

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I believe he's in Texas, so don't think he was there.

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he definitely wasn't there

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Lol I'm in tx still. U could tell cause there wasn't a brown guy there that is a car guy. Just lb.
Nice cAr.

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Nice car man, this thing made great power!! I like the BOV too! ;)

p.s. I was the guy in the Sparco hoodie, you said you were terrible with names

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I'd like to see them back an Escalade onto those rollers. ;)

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I didn't know u had a stroker, thats why i was so lost with the numbers.

haha M, but brown people drive Infiniti's i think. oh u forgot the 22s

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Actually its a 2.4 liter. No stroker here :)

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^truufff.. Although, princess lea likes to stroke it.. wooooaaappssshh ;)

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Update u lazy mofo.

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Well a few days ago I started to hear ticking coming from my motor. Sounded like a lifter tick but gradually got worse. Pulled the valve cover and ran and the noise was not louder with the valve cover off and I knew there was a serious problem. Drained my oil and found gold shavings!

Now I pulled my oil pan and found the bushing from number one hanging out of the connecting rod. Now im like WTF! with only 7500 on this motor.

After I found that out, I removed the head to find the wrist pin actually snapped in half and was chewing up the bushing on the connecting rod. Then looking back at this thread, realised this is the same wrist pin that was too tight!

What im doing now is still in the air, this should not have happened.

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Definatly not a year for Blake 1gbs, which it's just you and me buddy. Change your sig.

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I remember having some problems with my Weisco's as well. I think I had Gosh rebush them if I'm not mistaken. That really sucks, quality control is definitely lacking.

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Well a Wiseco represenative states at my wicked 500hp level HD's are required. I bet the stockers would be still holding :rollinglaugh:

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Poor guy.

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He did offer me a discount to cope with the situation. If I do and when I do, I will have to check over there tolerances, which is kinda sad one would have to.

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A lot of guys were finding cracked Wiseco pistons too a few years ago, it was all over that other board. The pistons were still working fine, but when a couple guys found theirs cracked in 1 specific spot a few other checked theirs and found it happening too.

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I also remember that my Eagles were off ever so slightly on the big end as well.