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Matt D. 11-10-2008 09:36 PM

Georgia congressman warns of Obama dictatorship
 
Good to see that there are people in Washington who are seeing what some of the rest of us are seeing.
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WASHINGTON (AP) — A Republican congressman from Georgia said Monday he fears that President-elect Obama will establish a Gestapo-like security force to impose a Marxist or fascist dictatorship.

"It may sound a bit crazy and off base, but the thing is, he's the one who proposed this national security force," Rep. Paul Broun said of Obama in an interview Monday with The Associated Press. "I'm just trying to bring attention to the fact that we may — may not, I hope not — but we may have a problem with that type of philosophy of radical socialism or Marxism."

Broun cited a July speech by Obama that has circulated on the Internet in which the then-Democratic presidential candidate called for a civilian force to take some of the national security burden off the military.

"That's exactly what Hitler did in Nazi Germany and it's exactly what the Soviet Union did," Broun said. "When he's proposing to have a national security force that's answering to him, that is as strong as the U.S. military, he's showing me signs of being Marxist."

Obama's comments about a national security force came during a speech in Colorado about building a new civil service corps. Among other things, he called for expanding the nation's foreign service and doubling the size of the Peace Corps "to renew our diplomacy."

"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set," Obama said in July. "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."

Broun said he also believes Obama likely will move to ban gun ownership if he does build a national police force.

Obama has said he respects the Second Amendment right to bear arms and favors "common sense" gun laws. Gun rights advocates interpret that as meaning he'll at least enact curbs on ownership of assault weapons and concealed weapons. As an Illinois state lawmaker, Obama supported a ban on semiautomatic weapons and tighter restrictions on firearms generally.

"We can't be lulled into complacency," Broun said. "You have to remember that Adolf Hitler was elected in a democratic Germany. I'm not comparing him to Adolf Hitler. What I'm saying is there is the potential."

Obama's transition office did not respond immediately to Broun's remarks.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i...BlHOwD94CCDU00

gofastman 11-10-2008 09:43 PM

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lol, the sky is falling!

Matt D. 11-10-2008 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by gofastman (Post 264233)
lol, the sky is falling!

Speak for yourself, having an open mind once in a while won't hurt you.

polishmafia 11-10-2008 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt D. (Post 264236)
Speak for yourself, having an open mind once in a while won't hurt you.

For once... I agree with you. ;)

All I have to add to this thread is this.

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/6...botxttgzj5.jpg

Matt D. 11-10-2008 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by polishmafia (Post 264238)

Haha, that's great. :biggrin:

Febo 11-10-2008 10:47 PM

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Oh, My, God..... Really?? Whats next. I have never seen so many people go so stupid over one election. Honestly. Give up. You Republican McCainiacs have to accept the fact your done for. This stuff is getting rediculously out of hand. And notice most of this trash is stated by other republicans. Its just sad. Really just sad. People are sooooo effin opposed to the president they are actually already considering killing him. FFS. Im about ready to move to another country not because Obama won, but because of all the idiot a-holes in this effin country that cant just grow the eff up and accept what has happened. You effin tools are retarded, do you really think he could build a gestapo in 4 years, when everything he does has to get pushed thru congress first? Holy christ!! Learn how the fucking government works you retarded tools. Why isnt anyone worried about Obama using the Marine Corps to do something retarded, because pretty sure thats the only force the President has direct control over. Geezus. Im just in awe at how ignorant and close minded this country has become. All of you. Fucking open your damn eyes.

gofastman 11-10-2008 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt D. (Post 264236)
Speak for yourself, having an open mind once in a while won't hurt you.

for the record, i didnt vote for MAC because he is a wishy washy POS who is afraid to take his own side in an argument, not because im an obama fanatic

Matt D. 11-10-2008 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RLFebo (Post 264243)
Oh, My, God..... Really?? Whats next. I have never seen so many people go so stupid over one election. Honestly. Give up. You Republican McCainiacs have to accept the fact your done for. This stuff is getting rediculously out of hand. And notice most of this trash is stated by other republicans. Its just sad. Really just sad. People are sooooo effin opposed to the president they are actually already considering killing him. FFS. Im about ready to move to another country not because Obama won, but because of all the idiot a-holes in this effin country that cant just grow the eff up and accept what has happened.

Give up on the partisan politics. I claim no side, I call it as I see it regardless of the source.
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Originally Posted by RLFebo (Post 264243)
You effin tools are retarded, do you really think he could build a gestapo in 4 years, when everything he does has to get pushed thru congress first? Holy christ!! Learn how the fucking government works you retarded tools. Why isnt anyone worried about Obama using the Marine Corps to do something retarded, because pretty sure thats the only force the President has direct control over. Geezus. Im just in awe at how ignorant and close minded this country has become. All of you. Fucking open your damn eyes.

You need to open your eyes. It's already been done. Public Law 109-364, the "John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007" (H.R.5122), signed into law by George W. Bush on October 17th, 2006. This law allows the President to declare a "public emergency" and station troops anywhere in America and take control of state-based National Guard units without the consent of the governor or local authorities, in order to "suppress public disorder."

President Bush seized this unprecedented power on the very same day that he signed the equally odious Military Commissions Act of 2006. In a sense, the two laws complement one another. One allows for torture and detention abroad, while the other seeks to enforce acquiescence at home, preparing to order the military onto the streets of America. Remember, the term for putting an area under military law enforcement control is precise; the term is "martial law."

http://www.towardfreedom.com/home/content/view/911/
Bill of Rights Defense Committee - http://www.bordc.org/threats/hr5122.php

Therefore, saying it can't be done is an understatement.

mdost03 11-11-2008 12:01 AM

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Wow, so many ignorant people on here that claim this could never happen. I for one am scared for the future of this country with Obama as president and am praying something like this never happens.

FattyBoomBatty 11-11-2008 12:01 AM

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A lot of republicans "don't like either candidate," but totally wanted McCain to win, lol. Or some such thing.

The article you posted is honestly whack. I know people say strange things, especially when they are lashing out, as this congressman is obviously doing, because they feel as though they have been stranded or had something taken away. Democrats did similar things when bush stole his second election. See what I did there? ;)

But seriously, please don't believe this article or anyone who talks about this junk. It won't happen, things will go on as normal, and probably get better. The BEST thing this country could do right now is to cut our losses, look the other way of sunk costs and get the hell out of the middle east and invest heavily in domestic alternative fuel production. disassociating ourselves from that region is the key to the US' future prosperity and security. Too many people have gotten filthy rich from oil coming out of that region, and they got so powerful, they infiltrated the top tiers of this gub'ment (see what I did there?) and ran this bitch for 8 years. It's time to stop the REAL b.s. and that's putting aside the country's wellbeing for short-term profit for big corporations, big oil, and a select few elite ceo's and their ilk.

FattyBoomBatty 11-11-2008 12:02 AM

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double post, lol.

Goat Blower 11-11-2008 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by FattyBoomBatty (Post 264257)
But seriously, please don't believe this article or anyone who talks about this junk. It won't happen, things will go on as normal, and probably get better. The BEST thing this country could do right now is to cut our losses, look the other way of sunk costs and get the hell out of the middle east and invest heavily in domestic alternative fuel production. disassociating ourselves from that region is the key to the US' future prosperity and security. Too many people have gotten filthy rich from oil coming out of that region, and they got so powerful, they infiltrated the top tiers of this gub'ment (see what I did there?) and ran this bitch for 8 years. It's time to stop the REAL b.s. and that's putting aside the country's wellbeing for short-term profit for big corporations, big oil, and a select few elite ceo's and their ilk.

You really are a moron.

FattyBoomBatty 11-11-2008 01:31 AM

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Hey, I never called you a moron, did I?

It really is a good idea stop the flow of money to the middle east. That's what started this problem in the first place. they wouldn't have had a problem with the US if we had not exerted so much influence there.

The real moron here is the congressman who believes that bull he's saying.

Febo 11-11-2008 01:50 AM

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And so by bush enacting these laws this is somehow directly related to a president who hasnt shown any indication of wanting to start a dictatorship??? Whack jobs. All of you. Remember it was in fact bush who signed our liberties away, not Obama.

And you really just think that Obama is going to take office in january, then BAM declare the whole fucking country into a state of emergency therefore forcing his socialist ways upon us all thru use of military...... right................. that makes alot of sense. I cant wait for 4 uneventful years to go by so I can litterally shit in my hand and rub it in your face.

bluedeath 11-11-2008 02:00 AM

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wanna stop the flow of our money to the middle east? start writing barry hussein obama to drill for more domestic oil. alternative energy in its current( and near forseeable future) state is not economically feasable. ethanol is expensive to produce. more energy goes into making it than you get burning it. its only cheap for us now because of gov't subs. we could be importing it from south america, where its made from sugar cane, not corn, thus lowering our food prices. this would be a good source for renewable energy. best thing, though, is more supply of domestic oil, more refineries(JOBS!!!! YAY!!) and more fuel efficient cars to offset all us crazy bastards with the gas guzzling vehicles!!! ok, rant over.

INTRIGUED 11-11-2008 03:41 AM

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I don't hold a strong position on either side of things, One thing I wonder and think about is the coin flip that the market is working with. I look at the market in a few lights, The war has its pull in its own little way. Then the speculation that draws a lot of flow in either direction. Then also the election value that in itself is a 50/50 toss up. I try and monitor things as best as I can, Yet it really seems pointless. Throw unemployment in there among other things. This country is embarrassing, I play a few games online and have a few friends in the aussie world and they just laugh about it. I don't consider myself that smart when it comes to any of this and yet I watch it all and just shake my head. The next ten years of all of our lives are in a trench. The next selection of people that will jump out of the wood works to run for president since obama got it is going to be right out of a cartoon.

Oh well, My rambling at 2:30 in the morning has bound to have its flaws but I am sure some will see where I am coming from. We live in a very disappointing time no matter who we wanted in the white house.

curt_gendron 11-11-2008 03:40 PM

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I can't believe how butthurt the Republicans are over the election. Wow!
http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/6...rtalertwi6.jpg

A//// Guy 11-11-2008 03:44 PM

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Its not about being butthurt, its reality. Maybe someday people will open their eyes.

Goat Blower 11-11-2008 05:07 PM

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Yeah, no democrats were butthurt over the last two elections. It happens on both sides equally, that's the way it is.

It really boils down to the fact that there's two ways of looking at almost everything as it relates to our country. About half on either side, hence the democrat and republican parties. We can sit and bicker all we want, but it's kinda like creation versus evolution, nobody on earth can say for fact that either one is correct and prove it, kinda like politics. In the end we're all going to believe what we want and that's that.

Shane@DBPerformance 11-11-2008 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Goat Blower (Post 264316)
We can sit and bicker all we want, but it's kinda like creation versus evolution, nobody on earth can say for fact that either one is correct and prove it, kinda like politics.

Hasn't genome sequencing proved a common descent path for all living things?

MustGoFaster 11-11-2008 05:20 PM

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If it ends up being a problem, we have guns. We can fix the government. (I am not implying killing the people running the place, just removing them from power with force if necessary)

RichardBBY 11-11-2008 05:45 PM

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Take a chill pill. Let the man work. Then judge him by what he does, not just by what people say about him now.

iceminion 11-11-2008 05:55 PM

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As a combat vet from the iraqi campaign in 2004, I can honestly say that having a commander-in-chief who is able to formulate his sentences without stumbling and inventing words, is a major morale boost!

I would rather be swindled, misguided, lied to, and stolen from by an intelligent man then allow a retard from texas to continue to do the same.

Goat Blower 11-11-2008 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ecoli (Post 264319)
Hasn't genome sequencing proved a common descent path for all living things?

I couldn't find anything linking evolution directly to genome sequencing.

Goat Blower 11-11-2008 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by iceminion (Post 264324)
I would rather be swindled, misguided, lied to, and stolen from by an intelligent man then allow a retard from texas to continue to do the same.

Looks like you got your wish!

Onefast99gsx 11-11-2008 07:03 PM

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I can't believe the idiocity of the repulicans. "nominate a democrat and lose your gun" The NRA is all about republicans. They put the fear in you that electing a democrat means all this loss of gun control sh*t. I followed much of the campaign trail since after the primaries and I don't remember Barak saying much if anything about guns. You realize what it would take to ammend the 2nd ammendment of the Consitution. John McCain lost, DEAL with it... Let Pres-Elect Obama do his job.

craig 11-11-2008 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MustGoFaster (Post 264320)
If it ends up being a problem, we have guns. We can fix the government. (I am not implying killing the people running the place, just removing them from power with force if necessary)

we are well over due for a revolution.

john 11-11-2008 11:41 PM

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The election is over, quit your bitching about Obama. Like it or not, he is going to be our next president. I don't remember this "bitching" problem when Bush won back in 2004. I voted against Bush and you didn't see me bitching when he won.

Obama was the clear winner of the election. Nothing you post on here is going to change the results.

Febo 11-12-2008 12:58 AM

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Yeah, he was the very clear winner, maybe McCain should of had some state do a recount for a week until Obama just gave in.

MATCHBX 11-12-2008 07:30 AM

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I think we need to judge Obama on his words and former actions, not what he might do. The guy in this article took what he heard Obama say and went a little further. I do fear for some of the legislation that Obama is going to try to push through. Honestly I hope he does a good job. But I am still fearful that he won't. He has said many things in his campaign that would lead us to believe he want a socialistic-style of government in place of our now capitalist government. Try living in a socialist state. You'll find out quickly how many rights you really had in this country before then. I've lived it before and I don't want to see this country go towards that. In some of Obama's rhetoric, he is proposing semi-socialism. If you don't believe me, take a look back at what he has preached over the last 6-8 months. And I'm not talking about taxes this time either ;) .

Truly take an unbiased look at the words that he has spoke over the entire campaign. I didn't particularly care too much for McCain, but I care even less for Obama. Now we have a democrat controlled congress AND a far left democrat president. Some of these more radical bills have a much better chance of getting pushed through than ever before. That's what scares alot of people right now, including me.

The other thing that scares alot of people about this particular issue (the Civilian National Security Force) is that Obama stated that he would want it to be funded as heavily as the current US military. These are words that come directly out of his mouth. This is not speculation (as I said earlier, we must judge him by his words and actions).

And as for bickering and bitching about it on a forum not going to change anything. No it won't change what has happened, but that is our free right as americans. We can voice our opinions in an open forum and let others do the same. We may not agree with each, but at least we can agree that each of us have our right to voice our opinion openly. As long as we are not acting to hurt each other, I don't see the harm in it. It does open eyes from time to time.

I believe we have to look at things with a completely open mind. There are some things that Obama has proposed that can and probably will help us. But there are also some things he has said and done that scare alot of americans. This is a pivotal time in history. We have just elected the first non-white president, we are in economic chaos and we are fighting multiple wars at the same time. Obama better do a good job, otherwise you will never see another color get into the White House ever again. This is a huge pair of shoes he has to fill. Let's pray that he can fill them.

JustROLLIN 11-12-2008 05:41 PM

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The US is not a pure capitalist society, its already a mix between socialism and capitalism. That is all.

Scrmegl 11-13-2008 12:49 AM

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There are some clear links and commonalities to history that should at least be acknowledged. The fact we are already a mix is even more reason to just be aware of the risks and similarities. Pretending it can't happen is just blatantly ignoring history. It has nothing to do with parties. Just prudent concern.

bluedeath 11-13-2008 11:37 AM

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yeah, were screwed. anyway, hope obama has a portalbe teleprompter!!!!!

JustROLLIN 11-13-2008 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Scrmegl (Post 264558)
There are some clear links and commonalities to history that should at least be acknowledged. The fact we are already a mix is even more reason to just be aware of the risks and similarities. Pretending it can't happen is just blatantly ignoring history. It has nothing to do with parties. Just prudent concern.

Agreed and in my opinion very well said.


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