Help me choose a turbo setup!
 

Let me summarize:
I have a 14B powered 1G that is ready for a turbo upgrade.

I prefer bolt on...

I want something that will be capable of 400 awhp (plus or minus some realistically) that will spool before 4500 RPM

Car has a 2.0L with stock rods/pistons/cams currently.

Cams may come if I have extra cash.

Turbos I am curious about:
Holset HX35 with the BEP .55 A/R housing

FP3065

Some sort of PTE, maybe even a 50-trim?or bolt on GT35R?

20G is kinda worthless these days as only slightly out perform a E316G

Also, would I see faster spool with a GT30R T3 .63 than an FP 3065 ehxaust housing?

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3052 FTW... Capable of high 10s low 11s and is very fun on the street.

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smallish FP turbo would roxzor

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I'm really happy with my FP Red, completely bolt-on which saves quite a bit of cash so you don't have to get vband exhaust stuff. Also cheaper than the FP30x turbos. Or a Green would be good. GT35R would be pretty laggy on a 2.0, not very fun for the street.

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I have a pte scm 6152 mitsu housing that needs a rebuild I will sell dirt cheap

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^hahaha.

Your goal of 400whp could be done with a HX35, 3052, or there about sized turbo, any bigger is up to you. But doing it with a smaller turbo is usually a bit more fun in terms of response. I did B16G, SCM61, now E316G. I have found that I want more top end than the 16G ( i can't hold boost maybe that would fix my problem) but not as much lag as the 61. Sometimes I miss the 61, but the response of the 16g rocks and is useful everyday.
I plan on upgrading to a HX35 this winter in bolt-on form because the spool is there and so is the top end.
Although for a price I would def. part with my FP mani. and go T3.
Sometimes I wonder if we just want more and I am scared that it won't end.

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I was super impressed when i got a ride in slowboy's car with the FP red, he made awesome power and felt good all around.

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A simple upgrade to a Evo3 16g is what I would do in all honesty. If you do want to go 'big-ish' I'd go with a nice solid FP setup and their HTA 3076. Specifically note the 'HTA' in 'HTA3076' because the regular 3076 is a little bit of a dog. The HTA76 compressor wheel will produce similar results to the reviews of FP's Evo RED I've posted here. You'll end up spending a little more, but I think you'll have a freaking sweet bolt-on setup that should make loads of power and be very very responsive for daily driving, and be really really reliable to boot.

On E85 it should kick some serious ass.

Side note: FP's 3052 and 3065 are old-ish designs. The HTA3076, HTA3582 and HTA3586 are the new way to go. :)

http://store.forcedperformance.net/m...Code=DSM-Turbo

After saying all that, I would be hard pressed to not at least look at a 20g...looks like FP happens to have a nice bolt-on internal gate (economic but fine if you're going E85) 20G-6SL2 for $1150...that's a pretty damn good deal.

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Hrm, I just looked and it seems as though FP doesn't list the HTA3076 with a bolt-on turbine housing as they do the 3052 or 3065...I would ask them if they'd sell it like that so you could bolt it on to a nice ported 2G manifold, use their turbine and o2 housings, and kick some arse.

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A GT3076 is pretty much a FP3052.

I'd be interested to see a test done to compare the HTA 3076 vs the FP3052. I'm still not convinced that HTA is worth the extra money on a turbo this sized. I could see MAYBE on a larger turbo where it could really help.

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20G; great turbo.

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I am going to say look into the borg warner turbos a little bit. Your goals are pretty much inline with mine and I am looking at the S258 in a bolt on housing with an external gate. Flows 55lbs, quicker spool than the Garretts and more pump gas friendly, although you are looking at corn fuel anyway.

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Alright, I have digested the input.

I'm sure this turbo may seem pump gas sometime, but my goal would be less for that.

I had a 20G car once before, it wasn't laggy at all. I just don't think a 20G would be able to get to my 400awhp goal easily. I like the simplicity and design of the FP mitsu housing a lot.

I am willing to spend a few thousand dollars.

I still don't know to do mitsu bolt on or not. I plan on a new manifold and o2 anyway so garrett/etc is an option.

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Are you kidding?

We saw a 16G GSX put down 450 AWHP at the dyno day.

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Awhp? I do not believe you.

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And if so that thing is completely maxed.

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Not worth the money. A brand new one you can get for about $150 morethen a rebuild.




Anyways I would do a TD06H 20g. I Loved mine.

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I'm really looking for just a good deal on a turbo. I have a good deal lined up for a 20G (don't know the specific type yet) and a Tial 38mm wastegate (Blageo23's current/old setup (he has a FP3575))

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S256 would be another option to search about, sorry I don't know more about.

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Remember what dyno that was on.

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Do it. On E85, you will be kicking great power with it.

Do you want 400whp on dynojet, or dyno dynamics? There is a bit of a difference.

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Yeah, I am looking at the 256/258 and now 259...Looks like a good turbo.

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Do a PTE bolt on 50 trim, slightly bigger than the 20g and loves boost. I had a 50 trim on my 2.0 and it was perfect for the street. It should do 400 awhp on a DD and still spool basically the same as the 20g. You can even get a BB version of it :D

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Maybe ride in or drive some cars. Check out Brads setup with the FP3065 on a 7.8:1 compression stock 1G motor. There are a bunch of quick 16G E85 cars. 1Quick4 has a 50-trim E85 stock beat motor in his GVR4.

Nothing is going to touch the spool to power ratio of an Evo 3 16G, but you probably aren't going to get close to 400awhp on a Dyno Dynamics with a stockish 1G motor. The 2Gs and Evos with their compression ratio and heads usually shine with that turbo. A 20G is a decent turbo, but the 16Gs are so good nowdays that it isn't much of an upgrade and usually not cheap. The normal GT3076 turbos aren't anything to crazy, they have a small amount more potential than your run of the mill T3/T4 turbos. The jump from the T3/T4s and GT3076 to the 61mm turbos is a little big, they are laggy on the 2.0ls, but they have a lot more power potential. If you can afford an FP turbo, then look into them. Even the older ones always spool very well for their size and still make good power.

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I want to upgrade to a Holset HX35/H1C. I've heard they are amazing. Around 3500rpm spool and 500awhp. Get one at a junkyard cheap and buy a dsm bolton housing for a couple hundred. The sleeper look of the 16G will be gone with how huge the Holset compressor housing looks, but oh well.

My E3 16G did 370 on the dd, and 414 on the dynojet. Never dyno tuned. I'm sure mine would break 400 on the dd dyno if I ported my turbo so it could hold a couple more psi of boost, installed adjustable cam gears, and maybe a half hour on the dyno.

I have about the same or less cranking compression than my 1g's have had, stock 2g IM, ported 2G exhaust manifold, 22-23 psi at peak power (5600-5700 rpms).

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http://www.dsmlink.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30085

Thats a very decent deal. Looks like a nice setup if in your price range.

Get a FP manifold and be set. :)

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It is a great deal, Plus I have dealt with the guy and he is cool.
I wanted to add that If i had money to spend like you want to I would choose between FP HTA stuff or BW ET stuff.

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I think if I ever do another setup, it will utilize as much FP stuff as possible. They make good stuff that simply works, and it all fits together well. They may be more spendy then others, but in the end you have a clean and proven setup, backed by a great company. If I could go back in time...

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I really like my fp3065. I made the power that you're shooting for on it and it's a quality setup. Its a very fun car on the street and doesn't seem very laggy to me. If you ever wanted a ride o see what you'd be getting into I'd be more than willing.

The only thing I don't like is the super expensive 02 housings that you need. Other than that, I love my setup.

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go big or go home!

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Did you go with the 2.5" housing or the 3" one? The 3" seems to be overkill....

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Brad can I get a ride sometime?

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I'd personally stay away from FP; terrible customer service (flat-out liars) and they'll never be getting a penny from me. I'm not exactly impressed with their product either. I'm sure I'm one of the few here with those feelings but thats my experience and opinion.

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You must be doing it wrong. I have never heard of any problems, nor had any problems. Wow.

Oh, and +1 for FP, I stuck with an FP setup, spendy, but you get what you pay for.

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When you say product, you mean cams though, we're talking about turbos. +1 on their lackluster delivery dates though, probably their only drawback. I would still buy a FP turbo setup.

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I know at least one other member on the board who had the same experience I did. Lied to over and over again...not a great way to treat customers or earn repeat customers. My business is earned, not just given.

After dealing with them regarding cams I have no interest in attempting to purchase a turbo from them.

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Meh, FP is a good place.

Kevin, get a HTA88! or whatever they got thats the new hot street setup!

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I've bought a lot of shiz from FP over the years, and its all worked out nicely.

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I'd also like a ride if ever possible.

The only problem I ever had with FP is my card kept getting declined. Turns out my bank has had TONS of problems with fraud in Texas and won't allow purchases in Texas without an exception. Not really their fault. However, the nut swingers are almost as bad as Buschur or AMS. At least their products do what they say they do.

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Only problem I have had with FP is there "coating" turns out there coating is houseshit and comes off instantly when blasted compared to other, basically it coated like one pass with a can of spray paint.