1G DSM big brakes. Need to upgrade bad.
 

Ok guys, had a scary experience with my car last night not wanting to slow down thank god it was late at night on a lit highway and no one was around.

Anywho this has led me to start research ahead of time on Big brakes, any experiences/research on them? what have you found?

I have no clue, this is my first post/look regarding big brakes, but all i know it the 1g "big brakes" aren't cutting it for me.

I have EVO 8 wheels right now so they need to fit under them.

Thanks
Aaron

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Didn't you get a bunch of suggestions regarding "big brakes" within one of your other threads? In any case, I'd buy StopTech's, but the Bear kit is cheaper.

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Stoptech. Without a doubt I would buy them over Brembo. I have Brembo BBK on my mustang and Stoptech's on my Eclipse. The Stoptech kit is MUCH higher quality. You can swing over and check them both out any time.

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Get ahold of the adapter brackets people are making to adapt C5/Fbody calipers.

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^i heard about those.
From what i have read, the Baer's are still two pot, while maybe higher quality than the mitsu two pot, it still makes me nervous.

Stoptechs are a lot of money, but if i do this i don't want to get some crap buy right the first time.

Scheides car stopped awesome, i wouldn't mind that kind of stopping power.

Floppy anymore info on that?

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I personally have always felt the Baers are rather cheap myself. Basically they are the same thing that comes stock on the two piston mustang setups. PBR calipers I do believe are all they really are. I can say when I ditched those on my Mustang and switched to the Brembo's, I really wasn't impressed at first. Bled them a couple more times and then it was like a whole different car.

The one thing I really liked about the Stoptech kit was the fact that they come with the two piece rotors. They are so much lighter. I still have the Evo Brembos for the rear, mostly because I didn't want to shell out another 2k for the rears. I have less than a grand into all of this and honestly don't think I will ever have a problem stopping.

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I too would like info on the F-body/C5 caliper brackets.

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What type of problem did you have with it not stopping? It sounds like it might have been a problem boiling the fluid or something.

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Baer 13" Track Kit; I loved mine and the price is good.

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Have you upgraded your pads and put in high quality fluid? I'd go that route before being convinced that you need bigger calipers and rotors.

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I'm with Matt D. What pads are you running? Fluid? SS brake lines? 1G BB's aren't the best in the world, but you can make them effective.

I'll vouch for StopTech's as well. I drove a Stealth with them and they were awsome! I was able to really get on them hard a number of times and found it nice and easy to find the limit of traction (from 275 wide tries!).

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More pistons in your calipers aren't going to do as much as you would think... You'll see better results from upgrading fluid, a bigger rotor, and a more aggressive pad

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the Baer kits do indeed use the older cobra/Fbody/C5 PBR caliper, as was stated above. You are essentially paying a lot of money for a the adapter bracket.

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I see, i believe the pads are reds and they have felt great before.
I was doing a pull with a C6 and i think this might of been the second one, but slowing down from 120-130 sucked at about 75 i realized the pedal pressure was not there and i was already pulling up the e-brake a little, so i got off the pedal and back on it and it wasn't doing shit.
Still on stock lines. I have a rear set from agency power but they fucked up on the front set so i am trying to work with them on that, but i want to just get my money back and get a better kit.
Rotors are drilled and slotted, all brakes came with the car.

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Was the pedal firm or on the floor? If it was on the floor it's fluid boiling, if it was firm that would be pad fade.

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DOT 4 fluid is your friend broham

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After re-reading, you mention a lack of peddal pressure. Sounds like boiled fluid at this point.

http://www.stoptech.com/tech_info/wp...fluid_1a.shtml

I run the Valvoline SynPower in my car, cheap and availabe in most Checker, AutoZone and Advanced Auto stores. NAPA stopped carrying it last I knew.

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You've actually got room for the AEM big brake rotors. Pretty much bolt right on and stop awesome, but I agree, it sounds like you boiled that cheap Pep Boys fluid in there.

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^lol.
Thanks guys. The pedal didn't drop to the floor, but when i pushed the pedal there really wasn't a good stopping response.
I will change the fluid and see where that gets me.

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Change the fluid and do the SS lines.. you will probably be fine at that point(with good pads all around).

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And brand new everything rather than used junk.

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Same exact thing without the Baer name $569 brand new. All Ford OEM parts. Just need bracket adapters.

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Well i just got some valvoline syn brake fluid exceeds dot 3 & 4.
But due to other issues who knows when i will be on the road again.

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Sweet, I got my Baer kit brand new for $575.

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Thats good fluid; I'll be using that when I replace my brakes.

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It's been a few years huh? Best price I have seen on that kit for any car is $9xx.

http://www.extremetrends.net/Picture...ront_sport.jpg
You are talking about this correct?

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So what rotor does Baer use? Is it an off the shelf rotor? Or a Baer one?

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I think it's basically the '03 Cobra calipers and rotors.

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That's the one. I'm sure prices have gone up, but you're still getting a complete package with warranty, instructions, all the brackets and hardware, plus SS lines in one box rather than having to try and source it all separately. Plus the calipers are painted since looks do matter to some.

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I'm sure its a quality off-the-shelf rotor (aka not parts store junk) thats slotted, drilled, and zinc-plated (if you want...I got mine just slotted and plated). I know either the 1G or 2G uses a Corvette rotor and the other uses a Mustang Cobra rotor.

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Yeah price for Baer's is $850 from MAP.
I was looking for TKRs thread about evo brembos on a 1g, i looked at some pics of it and the only worry is the part with the two bolt holes so close to each other, but i am sure that he has been running around with them for a while now.

Also with Mark's setup he mentioned something about the coilovers preventing a diff. adapter design. anywho i am interested in it.

Also i rode in scheides car and he hit the brakes and i haven't stopped like that in a long time, what is his setup?

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Stock calipers, stock (original) rotors, Ferodo DS2500 pads, SS lines, and Motul600 fluid.

SS lines won't do much on an Evo, but they definitely help on a DSM considering how aged the stock rubber lines are. The Motul600 fluid is overkill for a street car. If you're trying to keep costs down some SS lines, the Valvoline fluid you picked up, quality pads, and some quality rotors would probably impress you with the DSM "big brakes." If you go this route I'd recommend some Brembo blanks or Powerslots and Porterfield R4-S pads.

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Evo Brembos on a DSM would be a wicked setup. Sorry I didn't reply with the specs on my car earlier. I read your post and got a twinkle in my eye thinking about having awesome stopping power 100% at will every day, then promptly stopped reading.

I LOVE my brake setup, the car stopped great stock, but after doing the ferodos and technifit SS lines, it is just giggly-good on the street. The initial bite is breathtaking, and for heavy street use they don't want to fade (multiple 120-40mph hard stops, while doing street tuning or general fun-having :) ).

The motul600 will probably be replaced by something a little more street friendly as I never track the car. I went with the SS lines because I didn't want to worry about the lines getting stretchy or mushy over time. ALso, I'm not sure if it's the lines or the pads, but the initial pedal feel is spectacular. I haven't driven a car with the same pads and stock lines, so I'm not sure.

Anyways, I'm rambling....The baer track kit is a great bang/buck for DSM's, but I think doing brembos would be what I would do if I had a 1G again. My only concern lies with mark's setup on his evo: his master cyl has trouble pushing enough fluid to make them effective.....will this be an issue on DSM's as well?

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Probably. I was wondering this as well, maybe the baer would be the best setup for a 1g. "Puhrot" on here said his Baer's were amazing on his 1G.

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^Puhrot also sold me a sweet "built" tranny that basically had a double synchro second gear and a notchy third built by some hobo not TRE built like he advertised.

I need to talk to mark, he could use my 1g as a mock up if he wanted to/needed.

The only other thing i can think of doing is actually getting a new set of pads/rotors up front the rotors look glazed the pads are old, but they have 50% pad left so thats what i haven't replaced them yet.
I am gonna get the SS lines on the way and put on the car, new fluid and try some porterfields and powerslots.
After riding with them i will see.

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Found out that there is a place tunersnation.com selling brackets to use 4-piston calipers from 1g 3kgt VR4s for $120.
Might be a good upgrade considering the calipers are aluminum. Just need to find someone that has used them

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My guess is that you'll be very satisfied with this setup.

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I think I have a pair or two of calipers. I'll have to check them out. Or check MN3s.org for a local part out maybe.

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Agreed.

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SS lines on a 1G rock.