The Real McCain
 

Ok you republicans that are supporting McCain cannot defend this video. But watch and try.
The Real McCain
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ioy90nF2anI
Part Duex
http://youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c&feature=related

Youtube owns mccain.

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Obama is a straight shooter.

I'm writing in Ventura and Hulk Hogan.

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In america we have always chosen the lesser of two evils. And Obama is one million times better then McCain any day. Obamas views on Energy is a huge deal for me. While McCain falls very short wanting to build 20 new nuclear plants in the US and storing the waste in Mt Yucca. :score001:

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I love the internet age. Everything is recorded, photographed and video taped. People don't pay much attention. but it's all there in the record if you actually want to dig it out. This is exactly the kind of thing we need to keep politicians from pandering to whatever group is in front of them at the time.

The sad thing is, I think McCain is probably a more honest politician than most of them and he's still a lying piece of shit.

Add 1 to the write in list.

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Tom, check out this thread, you'll be in heaven: http://mnsportcompacts.net/forum/showthread.php?t=70747

Ventura/Hogan '08

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Hey Tom, you don't vote.

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Every politician will say what the people want to hear with certain issues. Who cares what he thinks about gay marriage.... There are more important issues at hand.

Oh and on the war, everyone thought it would be an easy war. Id say the war is over, its the rebuilding part that is the headache.

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http://www.rozzwell.com/crap/owned%2520gun.jpg
Like man/boy love.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o..._KC/nambla.jpg

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i will this year. :boxing:
Yes there are more issues then gay marriage, Like i said before Energy, oil, war, etc. And all of the views McCain has are completly fucked.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPlaHQCKc34
vs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtYAPkOKEP4&feature=user
I choose Obama.

You can say what you want about candidates saying whatever it takes to win the election. But i would rather have the hope of Obama coming through with his promises then have McCain put this country through another 4 years of Hell and economic failure. He openly admits he doesnt know shit about economics, he wants to continue the war etc. Sure you may think hes telling the truth, but if thats what hes standing up for im DEFINATLY not voting for his ass.

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OP got that from Moveon.org. If you look at the references they are all correct.

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Matt, Peter and Chris, im still waiting for you to tell all of us why you think McCain would be a better president? And im sure MNSportCompacts is waiting as well. You always have little comments on how we would be worse off with a democrat as president, but when it comes to hard facts, you havent posted anything that would make us think that you have any idea what you are talking about. (I really didnt mean for that to sound so mean, but please post facts)
So i leave the floor open to express your views and explain your stance on why John McCain would make a great president.

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We have discussed politics too many times on this board already. I have my views, you have yours :)

I'm not a huge fan of either of the main candidates, but I have too many concerns regarding Obama to consider voting for him. I personally feel there is too much drama surrounding him and he will be influenced by his pastor and wife far too much to become an effective leader.

If you base your opinions off of a few YouTube videos you are a fool. There are videos out there making every candidate look both great and also look awful. It is far too easy to take things out of context. I'd personally much rather hear about why someone will be a good president, not why the other one will be a poor one (I hate negative campaign ads).

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I'm a middle of the road voter, getting me to vote one way or the other is like pulling teeth. I have never said McCain is better or Obama is better, but when clowns like you are doing nothing but finding dirt on McCain you do nothing to say why Obama is better, nor do you even try to find where Obama lacks to say, "Yeah, he's not perfect, but this is why he's better."

Remember that I wanted to vote for Ron Paul. Why? He's more moderate than both McCain and Obama.

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I agree with both the above posts. I cant stand when people, usually hard core democrats/liberals, sit and find dirt on the other candidate but dont say anything really swaying my view toward their candidate. Thats what bugs me. I have yet to see a post on a forum slamming obama, for some reason his supporters just like to point fingers at the other guy.

So far McCain has my attention, but really neither are that great.

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I don't vote for a specific party, I vote for who I feel is the best candidate.
Right now I'm in the middle, maybe leaning a little towards McCain right now, but I have things I like about both of them I've always liked McCain ever since I lived in AZ. I like his overall view on everything for the most part. I also think Obama has a good head on his shoulders and I agree with many of the things he has to say. I think these are 2 pretty good candidates. Everyone will have flaws, there will always be something you won't agree with, there will be dirt on everyone. Like was mentioned earlier, I don't enjoy negative campaigning. There are times when it can be good to bring certain things up, like a face to face debate, but not constantly on commercial adds and what-not like is often done. I like it when they tell me why I should vote for them, not why I shouldn't vote for the other.

I am pro nuclear, so if anything, that argument would pull me more towards McCain.

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I'm with you, even though your job involves nuclear power.

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Pro job-security :)

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Yea if we had modern nuclear plants here you may be able to stay in the country more often too.

Go nuclear, great source of energy in my opinion.

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I am not a Pure Democrat. I have always believed that you should vote for the candidate that is best for the job. But when i look at McCain i see way too much bush in him to trust him. He has showed that he is not a great public speaker, and when a president cannot speak in publc he cannot communicate his decisions, and that scares me. His views on nuclear power really scare me as if they stored all of that nuclear waste in the yucca mountain and a terrorist were to target that, the whole US would be fucked. Nuclear power is very dirty and creates waste that can cause great harm to human beings. I watched two videos on Chernobyl and almost cried because i thought about what i would feel if it were my son that came out with deformaties, (see. Chernobyl 20 years ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUzu1eegKWM&feature=user
and Chernobyl 20 years later: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHh3QaWKbSg) With McCains views on Nuclear power its hitting a little close to home.
Now on Obama, The reasons i like him is that he has promised 15 billion over 10 years for research on alternate fuels. He will be imposing a tax on oil companies for each acre of land that they do not use for drilling for oil, they currently have over 15 million acres of land that is not being used, and those taxes will go to alternate fuel research.

I saw this ad with a picture of Obama and the leader of Iran with the question "Is it ok to meet with anti American foreign leaders?" At the bottom of this ad it said "paid for by John McCain".
In short the answer to this is Yes. But the ad is implying that the user/voter would push no. So what kind of message is McCain trying to send us. Instead of meeting with anti American leaders and try and deal with the problems they have with us we should just ignore them and send them a message with bombs falling from the sky?

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Politics is too much for me to follow closely. I dont even know who I like, I wish there were more candidates to choose from.

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Nuclear power is the way to go, clean and easy and great source of energy. besides the spent fuel rods or whatever their called that they bury underground. Ive also heard they give off hydrogen? or something which is beneficial for our atmosphere? Not sure exactly if thats true. As far as the voting decision goes, still undecided.

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Tom you need to read up on modern nuclear power, it's waaaay safer than it used to be, there have been huge advances. And dirty? Not compared to all the coal and oil we burn, and not into the atmosphere.

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As clean as Nuclear power may seem, there is the worst kind of waste. Radioactive waste that is given off by cooling the rods. This has to go somewhere. Which is the main problem with nuclear power plants. Not to mencion another chernobyl incedent, but what about terrorist attack on a nuclear power plant, which are simply not guarded enough.
Wind and solor are much better, safer and cleaner sources of energy and can power the US with the right research and advances.

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Do you know anything about nuclear power? It's time for some education. Chernobyl was a nuclear accident brought on by human negligence and error. It caused a steam explosion (what blew the reactor dome apart) and a complete meltdown of the reactor, the only one ever in the history of nuclear power. There has not been any other accident even remotely close to the severity of Chernobyl.

Three Mile Island is the worst accident to happen in the US, and in reality it is not bad.

Do you really think a Cherobyl-like accident will happen in the US or anywhere ever again? That was over 20 years ago, and to think how much technology has advanced since then really should bring a piece of mind as to how much better and safer nuclear energy is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_disaster
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...lear_accidents

Now, about terrorists getting ahold of spent nuclear fuel. Two things they could do: Build a dirty bomb (a conventional bomb that spreads radioactive material when it detonates) or build a nuclear weapon (requires reprocessing spent fuel). A dirty bomb... Possible, yes, but doubtful. Given the safeguards put in place around the world on nuclear energy it is extremely unlikely that enough radioactive material will ever get in the wrong hands. Massive amounts of spent plutonium fuel would need to be reprocessed into a usable state for a nuclear weapon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_bomb
An interesting tidbit... In 2002, the United States Department of Energy took possession of 34 metric tons of excess weapons-grade plutonium stockpiles from the United States Department of Defense, and as of early 2003 was considering converting several nuclear power plants in the US from enriched uranium fuel to MOX fuel (mixed oxide, a mixture of radioactive materials) as a means of disposing of plutonium stocks. How that would be a bad way of reducing nuclear weapon proliferation is beyond me.

A good read about nuclear energy safety: http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf06.html

So, Tom, is the sky falling? :)

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I'm not endorsing nuclear power in any way, but I feel I should point out that any group or state that cannot produce it's own nuclear waste is not likely to be able to actually process the stuff to make a legitimate nuclear bomb. Dirty bombs are also not a big threat. They don't have much more of an impact than a traditional explosive. It's really just a method of psychological warfare.

I do have concerns about waste disposal/storage. When we have the option of safer and more renewable stuff it's not the best choice, but at least the "terrorist" scenario is not a huge threat with it.

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I'm voting McCain.

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I'm curious as to who the first to pay-ban Tom will be :)

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I love how you say it was human error and that it will never happen again. 20 years ago was NOT a long time ago by any means. Human errors happen every day, Computer errors happen every day. Saying something will never happen when it comes to something that could kill millions is an aweful assumption. What happens when your wrong? Im sure glad your not running for president.
And yes i do know what happened in Chernobyl. And the fact that the area surrounding Chernobyl is still uninhabitable should scare the living shit out of you when it comes to having 20+ Possible Chernobyl sites on US soil.
The controversy surrounding Yucca Mountain is that if a terrorist were to bomb Yucca mountain with all of that Nuclear waste it would float up into the jet stream and be spread beyond control over the US.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/...in579696.shtml
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yucca_Mountain

You tell me matt, is the sky falling?

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Risks must be taken in order for our society to SURVIVE and continue growing as we know it. Airplanes, cars, trains, and boats crash everyday killing hundreds; does that mean we should all lock ourselves in the basement and refuse progression?

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What i dont understand is how people that are planning on voting McCain dont see the simularities between Bush and Him. And if you actually think bush is a good president, next time im in town your getting a swift slap upside the head.

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What im saying is there are alternate forms of energy that must be explored that can easily power our society with no harmful effects to our envoirnment or people.

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He may not be the greatest president ever, but at least he isn't John Kerry!

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Do you have any idea how many huge solar/wind fields it would take to create the same amount of power as one nuclear plant?

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http://www.rollingstone.com/news/pro...ent_in_history
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...120101509.html

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Currently yes you are correct it would take a lot. but with the advancement of technology, more Green solutions such as wind and solor are going to become a great contender to Nuclear energy.
Please read this and it will clue you in.
http://www.greenleft.org.au/2006/682/7930
http://www.naturestudy.org/pdf/Solar...rWindPower.pdf
"The estimated recoverable energy from solar energy is about 1,000 times the present human global energy consumption of 10TW per year. Ten weeks of solar energy is roughly equivalent to the energy stored in all known reserves of coal, oil and natural gas on earth. Solor energy is absorbed at Earths surface at an average rate of 120,000 TW, which is 10,000 times the global demand for energy"
This was quoted from the PDF link. It was produced in 2001. Imagine how much more efficient energy production is now. Without the need to decommission nuclear plants and create the radioactive waste. As well as its much more cost efficient.

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Why are we talking about Bush?

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and speaking of john kerry, The original videos actually remind me a lot of what the republicans did when he was labled as a flip flopper. Maybe the dems should start passing out flip flops at the McCain speeches. LOL

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Yes there are other energy options that we should pursue as well. The cleaner and more efficiently we can create energy, the better. But we need more power RIGHT NOW. And in my opinion, the best option out there RIGHT NOW, is nuclear fission plants. Nuclear plants give off no emissions. The only waste they produce are spent fuel rods, which are enclosed in a thick lead capsule called a cask, welded, then placed into a concrete casing. These things are tough as shit, and you can stand right next to them and receive squat for radiation. Now bury those things deep under ground in the middle of nowhere on federal land. Is this ideal, of course not. But NOTHING is. There's a give and take on everything. And right now, today, I think it is the best option there is. My company has a brand new design that is approved and already ordered by 2 US plants that I know of, and quite a few over in China.

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Wait a second... Did you just link to Rolling Stone? You just threw all of your credibility out the window.

I have a tin foil hat waiting for you when you return to Minnesota.

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Actually i just did a search on google for worst president in history and if you notice at least the first 20 links all have GWB in the article.

The waste is not only in the rods but the plant itself. If you read the PDF Article as well as common fact, you will know that the nuclear power plants are only good for 30 years. then they must be decommissioned and cannot be reused, they are sealed and everything that was used in the plant is considered waste.
Wind and Solar can be a energy source for RIGHT NOW. And is actually used here in southern california by our main power company. If you read the pdf article you would realise that solar power is more effeciant and cost effective then nuclear, with no effect to us or the environment. And provides Much more power then the US actually uses.