Buschnuts calls out Magnus
 

http://www.buschurforums.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=20657

dayummmmm

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Interesting what good branding can do, and what people will do regardless of facts.

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Good info from Buschur.

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very nice

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Looks like I will rethink that Magnus Intake.

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Man that is just awesome. Sucks for Magnus but if it's not tested then why run it. This is exactly why I am sending off my spare intake manifold and TB to buschur for porting. It's dyno proven to make power, it's relatively inexpensive, and it's basically just enhancing an already awesome oem design.

http://mitsustyle.com/forums/showthr...t=16982&page=2

BTW, the original thread on evolutionM got closed down because of all the bickering. Buschur was actually keeping cool and making suggestions on the various intake manifolds on the market and everyone else was throwing him under the bus for questioning their products, it was 110% insane, I'm glad I read it when I did. Either way, that thread was called something like, 'pushing some intake manifolds to the limit' and was originally posted by ifarted2 (Paul M....something) who's working with English Racing and ETS. They were going to be testing a slew of intake manifolds as they're trying to max out a 45R. Something tells me their testing will be *very* interesting if they actually follow through with it.

Buschur and Al Friedman run HKS kensai intakes on their drag cars, it'd be interesting to see a test between that and a ported stocker. Also of note (and it was mentioned in that thread) they all wanted to see the results of a design that EvilEvo (on here) had come up with but like other things never finished.

Side note: don't expect much collaboration between buschur and paulM/English Racing, because there's a whole other thread where they were arguing over who's bearings were in better shape after a season of thrashing on their drag cars. Paul's Bearings and pistons looked like shyte, buschur's were basically in good shape. But that's neither here nor there.

Fuck Magnus after what they did to Vicious!

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It's still not unproven that they work on DSM's.

Doesn't Kevin have a Magnus SMIM on his car? We need to see some dyno results from that bad boy, since he's on stock cams. That will answer a few questions in my head.

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I don't know about the EVO Magnus manifolds, but the DSM ones did just fine in the intake shootout a few years ago. It's funny how many people jump on the bandwagon when a vendor bashes another and says his product is crap. Hmmmm.

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I think it's been plenty proven that they are an improvement over stock DSM manifolds. Evo's could be a whole different story though.

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I'm running one on my car, and it would be really interesting to see a back to back comparason on a dsm.

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They have back to back tests on DSM's. The IM shootout from years ago.

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Oh, ok. I guess I never saw that.

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http://206.124.12.138/INTAKE/

That link should work hopefully.

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Thanks Brandon

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Doesn't suprise me at all.

Back in the 80s/90s, no one put any thought in to forced induction intake manifold designs. Yeah, they maybe made ports slightly larger, change plenums a little over an N/A design, but no real thought went into top end performance.

Now, some companies are doing a shitload of testing different manifolds on honda's trying to beat out the OEM Designs. I'm not sure on the S2k engines, but I know they were having trouble making gains with a K-Series engine intake mani over stock.

I also don't really agree with some of what the "how to build SMIM" sections of books say, but I will never ever be building an intake manifold, so that is a non-point for me.

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Sheetmetal intakes make decent power on 1Gs, if you have cams and a turbo that is worth reving past 7000RPMs. People have made good power on the stock 1G intake manifold though, but they won't carry the power out past 6500. From what I have seen, the 2G manifold blows. You put a 1G TB on a sheetmetal intake with a 2G head and you have a setup that can make some power.

The Evo seems to be a bit different though, they really don't drop much power up top reving out to 8000. Even on stock turbo Evos that might lose 3-6psi of boost from max torque to revlimiter, often have a fairly flat or small drop in power up top. From what I have seen with aftermarket intake manifolds on Evos, the gains are hard to come by. With a 1G or 2G DSM you can just at a dynochart and know if a car had a stock intake manifold on it or not.

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Buschur is bashing a product that made him a profit.

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Yeah, but he's obviously got something else to sell now, and this promotes whatever he's got currently.

Nutswinger. :rollinglaugh:

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Exactly what I want to see, not some drag only car. It isn't the HP and TQ problems that are worrying me either. The part about Buschur mentioning how many manifolds are blowing up is the main concern for me. I am not about to drop 550 or so on an intake to have it blow up on me. It isn't necessary for me to be running one at this point anyway. So as far as I am concerned I can sit back and wait and see what comes of all of this.

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Nope, it doesn't. Can you send it to me?

chris@snowsecurity.com

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It worked for me

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Link works for me. It basically shows that the Magnus SMIM works very well on DSM's; I remember reading this article a while back.

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THe thread shows how many fan boys Buschur has swinging from his nuts. The way he went about this was pretty un professional. DB loves to talk shit and start drama, it dosn't matter who he has in his sights.

He should not have started this untill he has some actual data showing the magnus manifold has no gains on a EVO.

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He has this data. He tried it both with a stock turbo and a large aftermarket turbo.

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he has not shown any data. All he has done is say it lost 34hp in the mid range. I find it hard to believe he would try this test and not have a dyno graph to show from it. I'm not saying I don't believe him, he just shouldn't be starting shit till he has solid proof.

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He dyno'd the car back-to-back, how much more solid does it get than that? Has anyone asked him for the dyno charts?

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Buschnuts also calls out "douchebags".

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What's solid about accusations that have no proof to back it up? Accusations that came shortly after the whole bearing fallout, then all a sudden this? All I see are accusations, no proof of anything. I hear this 34hp loss in midrange getting thrown around. Pretty sure we all know in here that a large plenum, short runner SMIM is going to net losses in the midrange, nothing new here. They are made to perform high in the RPM band, RPM's over 7k.

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Really what it comes down to, IMO, is that some real strong accusations were made, with little to no proof backing it up. I don't side with either of them, I just feel that if you're going to publically come forth, in the manner he did, you should have some solid proof with you. I can't wait to see what comes from the "witnessed" testing that he says he's going to do. Hopefully they'll rev it a little higher next time.

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Do you really think if he had the charts he wouldn't have posted them up by now? Or asking for people to be there when he does the test again?



:cheer: Dave B :cheer:

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Wow! :wedgie:

Where's Chuck Norris at when you need him to do some dyno-testing?

They're both going to have their stories and sides, so it's all up to who ever is a Magnus fan or who is a Buscher fan.

Either way, I'm glad it's for Evo's. And I'm still going to get a JMF Street SMIM for my 1g.

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Totally unrelated to the topic, but someone needs to teach David Buschur the difference between lose and loose. :D

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Meh, he's just as good at spelling as TKR, that's all :)

Can't wait to see the results of his test now, that's crazy. Still, all of the manifolds that have been cracking in the last year or two makes me extra leery of buying one.

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Now that's something that I'm sure plenty of us can agree on :)

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they are over priced and have had a lot of welds cracking

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I got mine cheap as hell, and nothing has cracked yet :) (knock on wood)

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you got a great deal on yours. but 700.00 for one for the evo is way to much

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The website says they're $600 now... Haha