Master & or Slave
 

My clutch master & or slave went bad today! I had to take the work beater truck home! I tried bleeding it with no luck. tried twice. The fluid that came out at first was pretty black as was the stuff in the reservoir. I started by sucking most of the fluid out of to start with all new fresh fluid. & bled it till it had no air & the fluid was clear... still no luck, so I think I need a new master cylinder & I might as well do the slave @ the same time. Grrr what fun!! Do you think I can get the parts @ O'Reillys? Do you have any other ideas why I can't get it in gear.

Thanks!

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if your bleeding it, and fluid is coming out, the master cylinder is working and more than likely is fine. I'd look twards your slave, or clutch first

I also thought that this was gonna be a sweet dominatrix thread before i opened it :(

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Even if the fluid in the reservoir was dark?? or is that just beacuse of the rubber hose degrading? Ill try the slave first. Fairly cheap part. :)

LMAO :)

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Yeah, I wasn't thinking drivetrain parts at first either :lol:

Get under the car and watch the slave cylinder while someone presses on the clutch. You can see the slave push the clutch fork from the outside. If that is working then your clutch is toast probably. Does the clutch pedal feel mushy or anything?

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probably just the slave... with the car off I can put it in gear & with the clutch pressed in I can start the car...it starts rolling as I start it.. I let it.. and then when I let the clutch out it engages quickly. Just not enough pressure to lift the heavy plate thats in it, or thats what I'm hoping to be able to fix with replacing the slave. :)

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Dibs on a bad clutch disk :D

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why?

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what brand is best here ---->http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductL...pe=236&PTSet=A

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The disks go bad a lot. The link didn't work.

If it is a 1g, then I would go with the Beck/Arnley, only a few bucks more.

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There is a Southbend DXD in that car. Another way to see if it's one of the cyls is to pump the clutch. If you can pump the clutch 3-4 times and then hold it down, and then shift/put the car in gear, then it is probably the slave cyl.

Do what JET said and have someone pump the clutch while you're under the car looking at the slave cyl. Make sure the rod is moving a good inch back and forth as they push.

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In my opinion its best to replace both as long as you're at it. The added pressure from the new cylinder may be enough to cause the "good" cylinder's seals to go bad. These cars are all old, it never hurts to freshen things up, especially when they are vital to your car moving :)

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I'll look I think its the slave, but when I pump it it does nothing still wont engage. pretty sure the master is making pressure. the master could almost empty the reservoir in three bleed pumps while I bled it.

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scheides did you ever put in a new master??

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Is the firewall all wet underneath the master (up in the footwell)?

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I remember when my master went out, my footwell carpet is still stained from all the fluid that got everywhere.

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Nope, no master nor slave replacement that I know of. The car always shifted really nicely when I had it. My 1G on the other hand, I swapped both out on that. It's not too hard, just see if you can pinpoint the problem with some of the advice given here.

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Well I think I'll do both, just to be safe. Murphys law, if I only do one it will be the other. When I looked at it when my friend pushed the pedel it went out a little then drifted back in a little without moving the pedal .

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hmm no fluid so maybe its ok. hmph ... the part is only $75.00 for the master & like 30 something for the slave

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I just went through this with mine last week. Fluid in the footwell, black gunk in the reservoir. Wouldn't shift and would grind.

MAP is able to get good prices for you and they have a nice SS line kit also. Otherwise Checker was cheaper last week for Beck/Arnley.

I just flushed mine to hold it over until I get the parts. Mostly works. I only drive 4 miles a day so it wasn't too big a risk.

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I work at checker and i can get both for you at a discount

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cool. If you need to move it, you can limp it by pumping the clutch two or three times per shift. Goodluck!

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ugh
Replaced the slave.. now it moves nice & smooth but still no luck so it might be the clutch disk.. Dang it!

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Is it moving about an inch? Were there any funny noises before? Maybe you will get lucky and it will be the TOB. If not I will look for the told ya so smilie :D

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no funny noises. drove to work ... had a little trouble shifting, came out to leave work and it wouldnt go into gear. It's got good grab, but the clutch seems to do very little, and yes the piston on the slave moves almost an inch or so maybe more.

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any quick fix ideas so I can limp it to MAP insted of paying $90.00 for tow?

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try pumping it, like I suggested. Then you will know if its a hydrolic issue or a mechanical clutch/TOB problem.

That clutch was put in right when I first bought that car, 84000 on the clock. Not sure what it has now, but I *never* launched the car, ever. I took very good care to drive the car quickly but not abusively :D

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Not hydrolic issue any more... gotta be mech.DOH! so the car isa @ about 110,000 now so like 26000 miles on the clutch. Do you remember what kind it was? 6 puck ??? ect ACT?

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Im gonna guess it's your clutch disc. I had a similar problem this past summer and hoped for something simple too. I was getting rough shifts, sometimes it wouldnt go into gear, sometimes it would. Went into gear while not running, started car and car moves in first with clutch pedal down. I ended up with a torn up clutch disc. Found about 6 pieces if clutch :).

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Southbend DXD. I wonder if the previous owner launched it. No wait, he was young, probably didn't know how to drive. The kid could hardly use email so I don't know.

I would recommend replacing it with the same; I have one in my evo too, and I LOVE it. Talk to LSE about getting one, more info here:

http://www.dxdracingclutches.com

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Aren't Southbends famous for going out early? This isn't the first thread I've seen on this.

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Ok so a chunk of my disc broke off and lodged in the pressure plate, gotta love Southbend! Never again will a Southbend be in my car! Time to upgrade! Hopefully the holiday dosent slow down my cluth getting here too much. Sad not to drive my car :( & have to drive my wife in to work @ 4:30 AM just so I can have transportation... I'm tired lol.

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At least it didn't weld itself to the flywheel like usual.

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Car is still waiting for the clutch... holidays suck for getting parts fast.

ahhh southbend DXD


http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2...Clutchq003.jpg

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http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2...Clutchq006.jpg
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Looks like that clutch is just plain wore out. What kind of clutch are you going with, just a new disk?

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I'm getting a competition clutch stage 4 and an ACT Streetlite flywheel! Can't wait!!

http://www.maperformance.com/store/product...&cat=457&page=1


http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2...X/flywheel.jpg

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Competition makes a good clutch. Is the stage 4 an Ironman?

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Awesome, that should treat you well! I guess the guy that owned the car between you and me wasn't super good at driving a manual? :( Oh well, one less thing you have to deal with later!