DSM: 16G & Cams
 

Hey guys, I remember a thread a while back where we were all recommending someone with a big 16g upgrade to a 50 trim instead of getting some beefy cams for his setup.

Just out of curiosity, how much power (whp, local dynos) are guys with a well-setup (fmic, full exhaust, 550cc injectors, decent tuning method) DSM making with a 16G and some big cams, like BC 280's, HKS 280's, 272's, etc.

I just was thinking about this older thread today and how the 50-trim was everyone's answer, and here I am today with a 16G (evo) on my car and hks 280's, happy as a clam with the ~40whp extra they gave my 4G63.

Anyhew, dyno graphs would be awesome (LSE, DB?), any specifics would be nice too.

Thx all!

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You have a much better 16g than what is available for a DSM though. The older 16g's just run out of steam on the top end too quickly. A E316g would hold a bit better, but didn't he have a small/big 16g?

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I would also be interested in this. I am going for the "stockish look" on my car and I was wondering what kind of power is achievable so I have an idea what to shoot for on the dyno. By the time dyno time rolls around (end of next summer) I hope to have an adaquate fuel system (joining the FlexFuel mafia), DSMlink, FP2's (272's), big 16g, supra side mount w/hard pipes, 3" exhaust, blah blah blah.

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Ya Chris, you EVO guys have the crazy 16g's that seem to put out damn near what 20g's put out.

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I have the B16G, and it sucks, drops down to 18psi, loses steam by 6000.
i would say that new 18G, or an evo3 16G.
I am wondering about the cams too, i have BC280s and i have heard nothing but good about them.
that setup on E85, reliable quick DSM.
If i was ever unhappy with my setup i would come back to a 2.0 and probably the new 18G, if not evo3.

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I have a E16g, cams, fmic, link, and 550's. Just no dyno graph, sorry. Just ran 12.00 at 115 on Wed. So, how bad do you guys want to see some numbers?

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not that bad
^green 2g? dave?

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How do you tell the difference between the eb16g and the regular b16g? Don't they have the same wheel?

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they have numbers on teh outside, on teh compressor cover that you can use to identify them.

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IIRC, the small 16g has a little bit smaller wheel and turbine than the big 16g and the evo III 16g has a little bit bigger wheel than the big 16g. Lets see if I can find that comparison chart...

Oops, same turbine, just different wheels for each. Linky

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yup.

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sorry guys, maybe I should havebsen a little more specific. We are all aware of the 16g variants; i'm just curious what kind of power people arepitting down. Brownman, you have a setup like this what kind of numbers are you putting down?

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Dave aren't you on meth/water injection too?
This is Aaron, i dyno'd at 294hp, but my bro and i finished the tune, by adding timing where we could and picked up another (according to DSMlink, 20hp&tq) that is a big estimate as i haven't tried to mess with it at all.
But i would like to say i make 300 & 300 all day.

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Yea, running a little meth with the race gas. Seems to work out sorta well. My injectors are pretty well maxed out so I'm debating about changing it to corn. At the track I was hitting about 26psi then it would fall off from there. I know the car has an 11 in it for sure just need to stick it off the line and not do the crappy 1.81 60's.

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^You probably need to go to a diff. day at brainerd or just a diff. track.

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figure I'll bring this thread back from the dead. Shane just finished up tuning my car and this is what the end result was. I really cant say enough good things about it, big thanks!!!! Evo16g, comp cams, tuned on E85 and AWD.

http://www.morcmtb.org/photopost/dat...4PM_Small_.jpg

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You had the dark green 2ga talon?

That thing made some sick power!

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Yup, had some issues posting the graph, fixed. Again, big thanks to Shane.

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Your car is a freak man! That is gonzo power from a 16G on a dsm! I saw your car over the weekend, looks good! Shane was ho-hum as always but deep down I know he was gloating a tad about this one! What comp cams do you have? And on stock 2G intake mani to boot!

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Well this is perfect timing. You just got the "16g and big cams" number and I'll post up what my 50 trim setup does tomorrow. I kinda think since I'm running 92 that you've got me beet though ahah

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^who cares.

WhaT COMP cams were these?

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I bought the cams used and cant remember exactly, but I think they are the 101200's.

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That is a pretty damn nice set of numbers for a 16g, wow..Do you have more info on your setup?

I plan on going with FP cams with my FP18G setup. I just need to get my shit straight and finish the car...well finish starting it, had to pull the pan back off last night..agh.

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Go ready the first post. The whole thread was comparing two different setups: 16g w/ cams vs the 50 setup.

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Awesome power!

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*Cough* turbotalon1g trade me cams *Cough*.
Anyone with a 16g and want those cams i have a brand new set of the Compcams 101200s (under 1000 miles) Looking for a trade for 280s. lol

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There you go, trade it.

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Just the basics really, arp head studs, cams, full 3" exhaust, fmic, Evo16g, and some FIC 880's tuned with DSMlink... There are alot more mods just nothing is really relevant.

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^haha well all I'll say is 16g, cams, and corn gas is probably the way you wanna go if you want to make power. My 50 didn't come close :( haha

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200's = good stuff, had a set with my 14B, they were a bit big, but a 16G should do well with them.

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Post your numbers slut! That's why I created this thread!

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Well compared to that guys 16g setup my 50 trim was not the right answer
It made 269.4awhp at db today on 92 octane.

50 trim
pte 680s
walbro 255
ported evoIII head

I'll have a vid up tomorrow

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No cams? I thought you had cams on that sucka?

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Naw just the stock evoIII cams..aka basically stock

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How much boost were you pushing?

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Dave, can you do a complete review about those cams please.

Everything i am reading about comp cams, is that they have better top end than the HKS 272s, just like the FP2s.

I dont want to lose that much bottom end as my car isn't a race car.

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shane set it up at 27psi for the 358hp but at 22psi it makes 348psi, just a bit less torque.

I really cant compare much with out having any real experience with anything else. I dont think the bottom end is super horrible with the smaller turbo. I seems to take a little bit to get spooled but nothing to complain about by anymeans. Overall, I like them and they seem to work well for me...

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FP2's are Comp Cams I believe. Just renamed, correct? I think there was a thread on here about it a few months ago.

I'm going to be grabbing a set of these in the near future, was your head stock guy with the 16 & cams.

*Boom, click here

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i have a question, why do u guys think that power is falling so hard?

Anyway to get that to flatten out rather than fall on its face?

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A nice intake manifold would help it out, I'm sure.