wish i had a 3kvr4 :(
 

So I was drivin north on hemlock today and a pretty sweet newer 3000gt vr4 came up next to me at a light. We did the "hey nice car" exchance and talked briefly at the next few lights. He had some nice lookin mitsu 5 spokes and the ugly (imo) ricer version wing on the back. He gunned it a few times and the stupid thing just lurched back and took off. It made me and my laggy 50 trim just tear up a little. Aw it made me wish I woulda baught a 3s vr4 instead of the 2g gsx. I know I'm not supposed to say that, but that fool was runin 13psi on stock turbos!

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they can make pretty decent power, even on the stock turbos. How much power is your 50-trim putting down? I'm sure it would have been a close race...

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I'm making a sad 265awhp. I just hate having to come from behind EVERY time.

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You woulda raped him. I despise those cars. :-)

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3's on stock turbos at 8psi equal 1 16g. That's why, when they upgrade to 16g's, they make 60x whp!

-A. Swift

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I don't think you'd be saying that when you're working on it ;)

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Exactly. The only thing I don't like about em is they are hard to work on and parts are hella expensive. But the thing is you don't eed to do much work because they are so quick even with stock turbos.

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Stock turbo 3s's usually put down about that, with more power under the curve than your 50. I've gotten used to working on them, so they're not bad for me. But they're still das boat's of a car

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I like 3/S's, they are like grown up DSM's.

Are you sure it was a ricer wing and not a '99 wing?

http://www.autoworld.com/news/Mitsubishi/3000GT-VR4.jpg

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I usually wish the same thing, but the key to DSMs is that they are cheap. SO as long as I remember that i stay happy. - Aaron

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Yea it was the 99 wing, I just don't like em. They don't fit with the rest of the car lol

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Yea but with the 3kvr4 you dont need to put much money into em to get 12s like you do with dsms. So in the end I guess they kinda even out. My main thing is I just hate coming from behind in any race. Waiting for the turbo to hit boost just sucks donkey dick. Having two smaller ones just sounds so much nicer.

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A BPU 3/S will put down around 250 to 270AWHP on the LSE dyno. So your numbers are in that range. But obviously the 3/S was spooling faster, so it got into the power range quicker.

The nice thing about a 3/S, is you can get to BPU pretty easy, and its very reliable horsepower. But it gets expensive after that. So if you want a sexy, reliable, Mitsu that can run 12.9s all day in the 1/4 mile, then a 3/S is a good way to go.

If you want an inexpensive Mitsu that has poentential for 11s and you are willing to do it cheaply but be ready to turn a wrench. Well, then a DSM is a better fit.

I'm an oddball because I rely on a DSM to be my reliable, daily driver, with very few mods. My 3/S is the one I take to the track and I'm ready to watch it break.

later,
Curt

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Were you dropped on your head as a child?

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LMFAO.
Curt you definatly have some clean dsms and 3/s's.

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If you are launching from a dig, then you shouldn't have to worry about turbo spool and if you are from a roll there shouldn't be much either, unless you are in the wrong gear. With the weight difference you should have beat him pretty easily.

3S's are nice cars and can be made pretty quick, but DSM's are cheap powa. Both have their good and bad points.

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50 trim DSM isn't for you then my good man, you probably wanted to stay with a 16G, preferably EVO3 style.
Thats teh other part of the story is weight, DSMs have a little less.
I ran a 12.9 on my B16G, DSMlink car, my bro went 12.7 with it. So we figured the thing has a 12.6 in it.
Granted not as cushy as a 3/S. But done cheaply on a junk motor with all used parts apart from the link.

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well you could just go 2.4 and then have 16G spool....... I almost want a bigger turbo now. What is the a/r? I had a .48 on on the 2.0 it wasnt bad

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That's the thing thought, I haven't gotten my laptop hooked up to dsmlink yet because of mac/dsmlink issues. So my launch is as good as a fwd car almost because I don't hit boost untill about 4-5'gs. And the 3s has such longer gears its crazy. I'm out of first gear barley before I hit full boost.

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I had the 16g for a while but never really got to use it since I upgraded to the 50trim before ever getting injectors and fuel. I love the bigger turbo but im just hating the turbo lag. Hopefully I'll be able to up the boost a little more soon and then I'll be happy. But aw man I could spin all 4 wheels with the 16g and I can barley chirp them with this turbo. I guess that's a good thing in a way, but aw man I'm all for having enough power to throw the car around haha. Maybe when I crankwalk lol I'll do a 2.4 if I've got the money.

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Maybe? But between my old 96 GSX and my current 97 GSX, I've put on over 130,000 miles on DSMs. Only problems I ever had was the stupid power antennas and the spark plug wire arched on me pretty bad. I call DSMs very reliable. :)

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I'm just givin ya shit man. I agree with DSM's being reliable (as long as they're kept up well). Unfortunatley, that doesn't happen nearly enough as is should

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With a 50 trim (and .63 or scm housing) you should hit full boost in the mid 3k's, you have something wrong if it is over 4k to full boost. If you can't launch better than a fwd, then you need to learn how to slip a clutch!

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Shit man ive practiced launching. I can't pop the clutch because it will bog down ( I know I shouldn't pop it anyway). The only way I get a decent start is if i slowly let off the clutch and easy into firsttt. but yea i dont hit boost entil like 4 and not full boost untill 5k isher. sucks dick i knoww

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2-step FTW!

Turbo lag is only a teaser for the guy next to you. If a 50-trim is too laggy for you my friend, then don't ever upgrade.

-A. Swift

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yea 50 trims are laggy, But so are every other turbo just as big or bigger. you don't see the fast dsm's runnin low and uner 12s with 16g's now do ya?! One day I'll figure out my laptop and get a good tune and learn to play with some of the features of dsmlink.

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Actually, if you have the Curt Brown mod, you can run a 10.3/4 on a 16g, with mild cams and e85.

-A. Swift

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Lag can be contributed to a few things.

Boost leaks/pressure drop
Exhaust leaks

are the major 2. Also a wounded turbine wheel can attribute to a laggy setup. Intake restrictions, and a weak motor.

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Boost leak test tomorrow. I don't hear any exhaust leaks at all and I've got all brand new gaskets. The turbo has about one summer on it and has been pretty well taken care of (warming it up and cooling it down). The turbo was mint when I put it in a few months ago and I've been pretty nice to it for the most part. And you yourself congratulated me on having such a "healthy motor." I'm hoping there are a few boost leaks haha

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Yeah if I remember correctly the compression numbers were good.

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I didn't even know you guys did a compression test. I doubt you have the numbers recorded anywhere, but if you do lmk cus thad be nice to know

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Why not just get it dyno-tuned? Get it done right to reduce the chance of harming your engine.

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I contribute your beating to driver error. Good luck next time.

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LSE tuned my car so I guess the tune is good. But I meant once I get my laptop hooked up I can look into features like the studder box and shift points. Idk just a thought

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Never said I raced him. Never launched against him. So how could I have gotten beat if we never raced? I said he lurched forward and took off a few times. Your fantasizing again Aaron

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I am with Aaron, I think driver skill will take care of the launch problem. I ran my 11.5 without a stutterbox with a turbo at least as laggy as yours. I don't think you are launching high enough, you should be about 5,500 rpm when you start to launch.

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O I can promise you I'm not very good at launching. That wasn't the question at all. My limiter is set at 5000 when I launch and again, I'm waiting to hook up my laptop and play with that setting. As far as racing and losing, well I may have won and I may have lost. The point is, we didn't race. I don't go around street racing on public streets like some people. If I do race, we go to side streets or specific places where there are no people or cars.

Congrats o your 11.5

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That is just my opinion, please don't be upset, i mean i just took from your previous posts in this thread. Plus you seemed to have an answer for everyone, so i just gave the most honest answer that was in everyone's head, i am usually honest and up front enough to say it.
But hey if you wanna question my credibility on driving you know where i am.
Good luck with your problems and also check out DSMlink.com/wiki for more help on hooking up your dsmlink to a mac system.

Aaron

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Not angry. I was just mildly venting about turbo lag. I know that "in the end" I would have won if we did race. But like I've been saying, I just don't like always coming from behind lol (maybe that's my fault, maybe it's not idk). But what is this about questioning your credibility on driving? You work on cars, you don't race em. I fill ink cartridges, but don't ask me about printers. If I have a question retaining to working on cars I'll let you know! :)
-good day

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50's arent that laggy...