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Project Drag Talon
Well over the last few months I've done some thinking about goals and such along with things to make my car different than some others. Since about August/September I've been wanting to make the front end of my car tubular. Just had'nt researched it enough to do so. Finally in Nov I got a decent size shop with a couple buddies and decided this is the time to do it. So I started ripping the car apart, planning new fabrication and deciding on things I want to happen for next year.
Well here is the start of it. I gutted the car, cut out the backend and got everything ready for a cage. Two weeks ago (Nov 28th) I decided to order a 10pt cage from S&W racecars. I also orderd the "sportsman conversion" which X-braces the door bars and rear bars, converts the cage from a 10pt to a 12pt and also includes rocker bars to run along the floor to connect the window bars to the main hoop. Then I came across the "funny car conversion" kit... Said to hell with it and bought it too cause I like the way it looks and its not often you see a car with it. I like to be different! So I ordered the cage on a tuesday, had it in my hands on friday of the same week. They had to custom bend/make all the tubing to fit my car and ship it to me from PA. Definately very good customer service and quality if you ask me! Overall I spent $440 for all the tube, and $214 for shipping. Came out to be $654. After the discount they gave me I saved $230. Here are some pictures of the car before/after the install. There are also a lot more pictures in my gallery. http://www.mitsustyle.com/photopost/...o_jake_008.jpg http://www.mitsustyle.com/photopost/...o_jake_006.jpg http://www.mitsustyle.com/photopost/...o_jake_005.jpg http://www.mitsustyle.com/photopost/...m/IMG_0226.JPG Its completely finished, I still have to put the rocker bars in and start on the front end. I was waiting to figure out suspention but I think an Evo suspention would work perfect for my application. Thoughts/Comments/Dislikes? |
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Looks great! Is this James' old car?
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Those silly Winonians! LOL, looks good!
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My original goal was single digits... Then I decided to up the goal a little to an 8.99 or faster. I dont think it will happen but thats why its called a goal. I'm hoping by mid season I'll be in the 9s.
Full tubular front end, keep AWD, 42r on Methanol with nitrous and 10:1 compression are just a few of the plans I have in order. |
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You should really make a video out of the whole process. Somebody posted one up on the forums the other day and it's pretty sick! Nice work so far!
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Looks great. Are you going with a 2.4 or a high-revver?
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2.0 that will rev to 10k.
I've done a lot of thinking about the 2.3/2.4 and it seems as if the only people that really do it are AMS. They make good power on the dyno but for some reason they "dont" run it at the track. Maybe they just dont like the numbers, who knows. Plus, I wont have to look for a 2.4L crank and block. I have a 6 bolt block and crank to my disposal. |
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Great work, keep us updated!
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getting in that car has got to suck
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Its actually not that bad at all. I will need a removable steering wheel but other than that, its pretty easy.
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So this 360 degree protection thing, is that side-to-side 360, like side to side, top to bottom? Or front to back? or like an entire globe of protection? Anyone care to elaborate on this?
Also, how the hell are you supposed to get into that thing? Obviously the steering wheel would need to be removable, right? That cage is just sick. |
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Damn nice welds and fishmouthing.
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Thread cleaned up. This is about the project. Lets keep it at that.
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Well we know you Winona guys can't drink for shit so this thing should be half done by now with all the progress you made over New Years. :D
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They're still using it as far as I know. I've yet to hear of anyone actually finding the safe rev limits for a 2.4. Lots of speculation and internet chat, no hard numbers.
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Nice man good luck and hope you hit your goals!
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I'd take allen up on that challenge! :D
Anyways, I have been drawing up the front end of the car for a good 2 weeks now. Been kinda lazy with the holidays and shit. Things will pick up in the next couple weeks for sure! The Evo hubs and control arms are ready to be picked up from the junk yard, suspension I just have to order it once I find out what springs I want to use, and I need to make a Jig for the front end somewhat close to where it originally was. As of right now the front end is completely off and ready to be assembled as a jig. Here are a couple pictures. http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e2.../random004.jpg http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e2.../random010.jpg |
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Anything to motivate a night of drinking. :D We'd need to get Jacek back in town though.
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YES! He is one funny man, even more when he is drunk! He was here back in Sept... Who knows when he'll be back again!
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So are you keeping the factory shock towers? If not you'll end up in the fastest class. I think even Brent worked around using the shock towers and weaved the tube frame through the unibody.
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Are you building the car to run in any specific class or jsut for fun?
I think Brent didn't retain the factory shock tower, which has kept him out of the NHRA Modified class. He would have to run in the fastest class (Pro RWD) in NHRA. |
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Brents car is front/back halfed, factory fire wall and floor remain, but that is about it. Looking good.
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I am ditching the strut towers... Pro Modified I believe is the class I will try to enter. All that is required is OEM Firewall and Floor to the B Pillar.
My car will be very similar to Brents car accept I might keep the factory K-member in the rear and stay AWD. Depending how business is, I might put a 4 link in the rear and finish tubing the back half as well. Just something fun to do and to be different. I dont really care if I can compete in a NHRA class. I am basically just doing it for fun. If I cant run it in a class for some reason, that is fine with me. I'm just doing it cause I like to go fast and dont need sponsors to do it. I dont sacrifice much to race my car, I still live my normal day to day life, work monday through friday, get trashed on the weekends and enjoy working on the car whenever I want. I dont want to become Brent where his whole life is the car. From what I've heard is if he doesnt get a sponsor he's screwed. Thats not the fun racing I like to do. Thanks... |
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If you're staying with AWD, you might as well 4-link the rear and put a 9 inch in the back and save yourself some headaches, apparently the rear doesn't hold up as well in the 8's. Then if you do go RWD at some point, you can just narrow the existing rear and put in shorter axles.
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I would love to but I'm takin it one step at a time. I can always put the 4 link in later. The cage is finished, now the front end, then if I have enough money to play around with I'll do the rear end. As of right now I need to focus on the front end and get the car to be a rolling chassis before I can even think about how to do the rear. I still have to figure out a solution for the t-case. I've heard about the DSS having a decent t-case but cant find any info out about it.
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You can run the NHRA Modified class if you stay AWD and remove the front strut towers. If you remove them and go RWD, like Brent, then you have to move up a class.
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Might as well go RWD at this point and not worry about t-case solutions.
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I'd agree w/ go RWD and eliminate the headache of the driveline issue. There's no real solution for a trans unless you go auto but then you still got the t-case to worry about.
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I would say the Dog box gear sets should solve the tranny problem, 300m out put shaft and sleave should take care of the tcase, stage 3 front axels and stage 5 rear(I think thats what they are) and a new prop shaft should take care of the driveline, but then you need to worry about the rear pinion/ring gear breaking.
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Yeah, check with Shep, he's got the upgraded xfer case stuff available through him and you're probably best going with the dogbox as well.
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Dog box's still break. Shit we already broke a bogdox and fried an end clutch in the auto. Damn DSM's just have no solutions, haha.
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Who built the "bogdox"? ;)
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Thats the same think he told the guy that ran 1.2 - 60ft I guess. So he launched it at 10k and guess what he got.... Tranny still works fine as far as I know. So thats what I will go with. I dont want to go RWD cause its overrated and I wouldnt do it to an eclipse/talon. If I wanted RWD, I'd get a supra/camaro, or even a RX7 with a V8 in it. I dont want to have to find a 5spd RWD tranny and I dont want an auto cause that takes the fun and skill out of driving. Sure its faster but I'd rather have a manual and I like my car. |
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Looks great, I can't wait for an update! |
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