well my talon hates my evo III swap
 

well today after getting some more wire for the welder to do the heater air intake for the evo swap. the 2600 went out on the talon. I knew the t.b. was going out it was strating to make some noise but what I found when I got the tranny out insted of working on the mirage was this. also the back side tranny bolt broke in side of the tranny so I have to drill it out and retap it also

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I have seen so many discs do that. You would think they would make a little better design.

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Sucks man, sorry to hear that. This is one of the reasons I advise against ACT products.

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And what brand of clutch do you condone?

From what I have seen/experienced, ACT makes a superior product to anyone else for a DSM. Yes, they do break, but not nearly as often as other brands it seems, and with how common ACT products are in DSM's, of course you will see more failures.

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That's what I did to my stocker back in the days of the honda. Is this a common problem w/ the ACT's?

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Yes.

For DSM's I recomend certain clutches from Clutchmasters, Centerforce, Competition, and Southbend. Competition is a fairly new brand of clutches that is looking VERY promising.

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this is the first on that has done this and it has been in the car for 3 years now

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You must have an older disc. I heard they fixed this problem with a revised disc design. I guess it's the price you pay, my clutch is going to PTT today.

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ACT for the win.
Its why we switched over to SBC and have had nothing but success.

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My disk had 3 springs and 3 rubber pieces, the rubber peices had been completly shredded. It was bad. So i replaced the disk with a stocker, its working fine now, i still have the ACT Pressure Plate on

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ACTs are perfectly fine. Talk to ACTman on some of the boards, he'll stand behind his clutches.

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If he didn't he wouldn't have a job. I'm sure Fram engineers swear up and down about how great their products are too.

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well at least now the clucth will work and I pulled the motor out today to fix the leaky oil pump.

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Well I wonder why some people like to recommend stuff they've never personally used that is known to be "great".

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I only recomend what I've personally tried.

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I used an 2600 for 10K+ and it wore away my pedal assembly and it also wouldnt engage because the fingers would not fully release. Replaced it for a southbend that held harder, and was more comfortable on my leg.

ACT have had nothing but problems, and if you look around on some of the dsm forums, you'll find the exact problem that happened in the first post.

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Here is a new Napa disc that I had on my Talon awhile back. It sucks I walked up to Napa and was like look can I get a new disc. They gave me one. Eh...shit breaks...my next clutch be from ACT thats for sure....

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Jebus Christian. thankfully i didnt get my disk from napa, checker or pep boys, i decided OEM Mitsu would do just fine (with help from S2Kracka)

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I honestly don't think I would even consider buying a clutch from napa, or checker...... :x

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Well, at least you fixed it. I've bought 3 separate ACT clutches (2 of which i've actually driven) and they have given me exactly zero problems.

I did not buy 3 because they died by the way, they have all been on separate cars.

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I really don't want to get into clutches too much, but I tend to disbelieve your statement on holding harder AND being more comfortable on your leg. And how did the fingers not fully release? Could you explain what was blocking them from fully releasing? Of course you will see the same problem happening on other forums. When 90 percent of DSM's run ACTs, and your using a sprung hub that is for "street" use and make 500whp, you are going to run into problems, plain and simple. Find out the percentage of ACT problems to other clutch brand problems by amount of people using them, and see what failure rates are. Then talk.

Clutches cannot have a soft pedal effort and have a high clamp force on a clutch disk. It is NOT possible. Sure, you can move the "pivot" point on the fingers in or out a little bit, but not enough to be able to say it holds harder and is more comfortable on a leg. You can also use a different clutch disk material, which southbend seems to be doing with some success.

Seems to me like most people have gone wayyyyy faster on a ACT clutch in a DSM than any other clutch. Anything to disprove this theory?

Any exactly what vehicle did you use a "Competition" brand clutch in?

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Says who? Lets see your proof on the whole fast dsm act clutch theory. They are good clutches, dont get me wrong, but you should post as much proof as you expect him to.

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I assume this was directed towards me, I drove a Stage 2 Competition in a S2000; the pedal preasure was lighter than stock and it engaged nice and solid.

Of course people have gone faster using ACT, its b/c there are far more in use since they were pretty much the only clutch available until recently that could hold big power; this is simple statistics. IMO, using a lighter preasure plate with a higher friction coef. disc is a much better design than a heavy preasure plate with an OEM-style disc. Enough of this though, everyone has their own opinions regarding clutch choices and its probably been covered at least 20 times on this board. Everyone should use what they like, what they are comfortable with, and what they can afford.

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dumb_ricer-

Actually yes you can have a stronger clamping force by making a disk that creates alot more friction. The pedal pressure was lighter because by using a feramic/kevlar lined disk. It is alot more grabby, so engagement isnt as smooth but Id rather have than than wear out every component from the fork, master/slave, and pedal assembly- which all had to be replaced after I had the 2600 in there for a while.

And the fingers on my old 2600 somehow just would not fully disengage the clutch. Its like the spring in the fingers wore out.

We all have our opinions... you can stick with act products, I will not.

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Have you driven a car with a Southbend clutch? They hold just as much torque if not more than an ACT equivelant, and are a TON easier on your leg. After driving both I swear by Southbend, as do a handful of people on here.

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My ACT disc is the revised one that's supposed to not have that issue anymore. I have RRE's X-Clutch.

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I've had no problems with my ACT for 3+ years.

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My southbend clutch feels as soft as stock almost, yet is rated to hold around the 350-400 lbs-ft i believe. I also had a ACT 2600 and that fucker would make u pay for thinking u could hold the pedal down for a minute a quick light.
If your gonna make statements about other clutches, make sure you have experience about them. That actually goes with anything. Since i have used both ACT 2600 and a SOuthbend OFE i qualify.

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I have the Southbend DXD in my Laser and I'm really liking it. The pedal preasure is barely any heavier than stock, its easy to drive in stop-n-go traffic, and engages nice and solid. I do still like my old Centerforce Dual-Friction the best though, it didn't engage quite as harsh as the DXD so it was a bit smoother for daily driving.

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I had a SPEC clutch in my old GST that I really liked too. Before the x-clutch, I had a Pro Clutch with a sprung 6-puck in the talon. I also liked it because of the soft pedal. Anywho, different strokes for different folks. I'm liking this x-clutch also. I have yet to really get a shitty clutch from any vendor.

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When it comes to pedal pressures, I swear most of you are wimps. I've had 3 cars with act 2600lb clutches. No problems, and the pedal is stiff but not THAT bad. I've never had a problem with ACT, always took the abuse I threw at it with hard launches and such. I've used OEM new Mitsu clutches, that worked nice for an OEM, I've used a few ACT 2600lb w/ act street disk, act 2600 w/ feramic disk, and Act 2600 with 6puck SPRUNG ceramic disk (the current one clutch setup in my new car). I love the sprung 6puck!

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No it really wasnt too bad for driving, except in heavy traffic... dealt with the 2600 for 2 summers. The pedal pressure is just another negative thing associated with a heavy PP. The major problems occur when it strains all the components between your foor and the actual clutch- master/slave/pedal assembly/fork/ball etc.

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Sleepy anyone can handle any clutch, the deal is that our cars ran for more than 2-3 days at a time so we could actually feel the stiffness of the clutches.

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I have a 6 puck ACT racing clutch and 2600 pressure plate. I have never had a problem with either. I would not recommend the street disk for our cars.

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I agree. Centerforce is one of the best that I've personally experienced. Very good clutch.