1G FMIC Kit Suggestions?
 

I'd like to buy a 1G FMIC kit. Has to be short route piping, and I'm gonna need room for a GM Maf in Blow Through. I had a Buschur street kit on my last 1g, it wasn't bad but I'd like to get a little bigger/better this time. I was pretty set on the Extreme PSI Race kit, and was a little iffy on the Dejon Race kit. I just wanted to hear others opinions based on their own experiences. I'd ideally like something I won't have to upgrade later... someday going for 450 awhp

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I had the Buschur Street-Kit with MAFT blow-thru and was very happy with it. You could upgrade to their race-core instead of the street-core if you really think its necessary for 450 hp (which I don't). As far as other brands of intercoolers kits I really can't make any recomendations, I can advise against certain companies but I won't do that in public. Stay away from the eBay kits and cores though, they are a real craps-shoot.

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Get the Buschur race kit or the Diamond Star Motorsport one with short pipes. They're the 28x10.5x3 and 7/8 one. They work and are nice. Otherwise that ExtremePSI/SLS one works too and is pretty much identical w/ Garrett cores instead. Don't get a Dejon one unless it's a real good deal.

If you want bigger, FP makes a 26x12x4" one for like $7-800. :)

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Buschur, Extreme PSI, Extreme Intercooler, SLS Fab, Kinetic, etc. Avoid anything and everything Dejon tool.

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i got the Kinetic kit with SS piping for real cheap. Slowboy sells it as their race core kit. The core is pretty damn large though, and people have run 9s on it. :)

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Except their intake pipes, they are simple and nice enough.

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Except when they aren't even close to fitting. Or their BOV return is aimed back at the MAS.

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The thing that sucks though is they use curved couplers. Very expensive to replace.... My one ripped by the alternator cause the fitment kinda sucks and was rubbing on the alternator.

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Thats too bad. I've owned two and installed a few others (1G and 2G, steel and aluminum) and been very happy with each one. No fitment or quality issues at all.

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well for 625 bucks shipped with a greddy RS bov i think i'll just deal with it ;)

plus your car had hot dump pipe gases destroying everythings soul!

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Hey check this out. They lower the price 100 bucks every december cause it's there slow month. Makes for a good winter purchase.

http://www.extremeintercoolers.com/new_page_2.htm

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I wish that someone would make a 1G kit with an endtank design like the DV/DT 2G kit.
http://www.dvdtfab.com/

It doesn't take a whole lot of knowledge about fluid dynamics to realize how superior the flow characteristics of those those endtanks are to the vast majority of what's available on the market today.

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So very true

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You could always buy the cast GReddy (or maybe it was Apexi) endtanks and custom fabricate a 1G setup around them.

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My dejon intake rusted on the inside. I wouldnt buy another steel one.

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We already did this once for the 3s. Making endtanks for a 1g wouldn't be that difficult, but with the majority of dsmer's going for the cheapest intercooler setup available (remember intercoolers don't matter from a previous thread last week?), what would the point of a shop to invest capital into designing yet another dsm intercooler kit be?
Intercooler endtank design plays a VERY IMPORTANT roll in the cooling efficency and flow of your intercooler system.

That dvdfab stuff looks pretty damm good!

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I agree, but I am also pretty sure that they would sell you the endtanks if you really wanted. I dont think it would be too hard to make them fit on a smaller(width) core and put it in a 1g.

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http://www.greddy.com/products/displ...SubCategory=21
The Greddy endtanks do looks very nice however, without seeing some CFD maps, I do not believe that they can compete with the DV/DT endtanks.
Did you run any CFD simulations on your endtanks?

http://www.dvdtfab.com/intercoolertestlab.pdf

On a side note, the textbook that Albert got many of his images out of for that report was written by a group of Iowa State professors.

When I get the cash, I am going to approach Albert about prototyping a kit for my Laser.

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Wow Jakey, that man really did his research and it definitely shows in his design. I wonder how come the other big competitors arent taking after his examples? I am sure it costs more but if the product is that much better it could easily be gained back.

BTW, what do Iowans know;)

Ya want to do my stress/strain homework for me?

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90% of the DSM'ers have the Toonerz mentality of believing that everything on eBay and billybuttfuckintercoolers.com is God's gift to the forced induction world. Like Swanny said, it's not worth a company to invest money into.

You'd be surprised. :D

Mechanics of materials is easy. ;)

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Exactly, 95% of DSMers are not willing to pay for a quality product. They want the cheapest that that will "work" made by some guy in his mom's garage. Companies are much wiser to invest those R&D dollars into higher level cars.

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And we are :).

Not saying we don't invest time into dsm's. We've invested hundreds of hours of research and development into the dsm's. Minus a few specialized, yet to be announced area's, we are pretty much done with R&D on that platform.
Now Evo's, WRX's, 350z's, C6 vettes, thats a different story.

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Sandcasting and investment casting isn't that expensive and is actually a much cheaper solution compared to forming endtanks for production items.
If we came up with a manifold kit for a platform we'd end up having it cast.

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Yes, but making it out of welded sheet alum is probably the cheapest yet, it shows in the cheap kits that are out there.

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I have seen a endtanks that were formed out of sheet aluminum into a shape similar to the DV/DT endtanks but, even thought I'm far from an expert fabricator, I think it would be damn hard to match the continuity that a cast piece can provide.

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Cheap for 1 or 2, but when you start mass producing something that has curves....
Yeah sandcasting is the way to go.

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its too bad Albert got a real engineering job and stopped doing his side stuff. He actually works at Tial now i believe. :)

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Yep, I've been looking around and I still think I'm gonna go with the Extreme PSI race kit. Is there really that much difference in "cooling ability" between the "race" and "street" core?

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61mm and up, race core.

Below that, a street core should be alright.

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Nope, check out his website.

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Well I'd rather just have to buy ONE intercooler setup that can stay around when I move up to a Garret GT35R

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I have a 5" thick one here with a high quality core that is rated to support over 1300whp. I was going to put it on a twin GT4088 turboed 7.0l Mustang.

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Hehe, that intercooler is HUGE!

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I would go back to the sls core anyday, if it wasn't for such long ass end-tank inlets, and curved couplers.

-A. Swift

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SLS was using the same core as Buschur correct?

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I wonder.......that's allot of cutting........hum........

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^^ the thing is LARGE. 3.5" inlet/outlet. but i think it could be done!

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Um you mean Slowboy core.

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yea, duh. I would not use their pipes, or couplers, but make my own-not too hard, when you have a friend that welds. I'd also cut those end inlets shorter, so my alternator doesn't chew through anything (though, i want to move it to the back). I guess we will see what core I go with next. I need to start looking eventually.

-A. Swift