Street car build-up please help!!
 

Ok all, i need some serious help. I am coming to you all, because a lot of you have/had experience with various setups. I have spent a number of nights searching so please bear with me.
At the start this car was going to be a replica of my last setup (2.4L, 60 trim) just a little improved.
But I have decided that i want to keep this thing fun/enjoyable/streetable and also a little more $$$ friendly.
My question is, what turbo?(b16G, 50trim,others?) what motor? (2.0 or 2.4) CR? (8.5:1, 9.0:1)
I should be going with a shep stage 2 or 3 tranny(depending on what i need) in a few months as mine is on its way out.
I love the spool up currently on my B16G, maybe just a little more power would be cool. (set to 15PSI due to stock I/C setup, have replacement just need time)
This car will see weekend cruising/some track time to get me by until my next project. I just don't want to build this thing up so that it wants to destroy itself all the time.
300-350hp on a DD dyno would be a good number.
3500rpm full boost would be nice.
Thx
Sorry if this has been covered or whatever. Your help is appreciated.
Aaron
(The Brownman)

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2.0, stock bottom end, 20G/50 trim.

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i cant read that shit.

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2.0L stock block (hows your compression?), any variety 16G (keep your Big 16G), FMIC, cams, your choice of tuning equipment and supporting mods (AFC, MAF-T, 550cc injectors, Walbro 190 lph pump, etc.) . This'll get you a very quick 12-sec street car thats easy to tune and very reliable for DD street-use. There are a lot of good tranny options out there, I suggest TurboTrix (took over BM-Tranny), my race-built tranny was the best DSM tranny I've ever felt. You are also going to need some suspension to tighten the car up a bit. A nice mild street setup would be some Prokit springs, either GR-2 or AGX shocks, and a new rear anti-sway bar. PM me if you want more details and specific parts.

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Sorry that you cannot read that. I just re read it and it doesn't seem that bad.

I basically want a complete recommendation for a street set up.

My compression is junk in this motor, thats why i am asking about what size motor to go with for the build this winter and what CR to go with also.

So far my mods are:
Prokit & GR-2s
DSMlink
B16G
2G O2 housing & Exh. Mani. (Ported)
3" turboback
550s
Walbro 255
FMIC (waiting to go on)
FOrge BOV
EBC

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Bone stock 2.0L is all you need for your goals. You shouldn't even need aftermarket cams.

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I would do a mild rebuild on the motor. Maybe 2G pistons and cams with a mild port job on the head. Then get an intake mani and pick a turbo any turbo.

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Go 2.4L and a 88mm turbo with a dogbox and empty pockets and 10.0 compression. 350whp on 10 psi sounds good and streetably daily driven.

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If you want 300 - 350 awhp on a DD, I would do a 2.4l with a 50 trim. Spool should be similar to B16g on a 2.0. The 50 trim on a 2.0 isn't a lot of lag either (full boost ~3,600), but not the same as a B16g.

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When you guys say full boost on a 50 trim at about 3600, is that stock 7.8:1 compression, cause my motor does need a rebuild, and i was thinking of going with 8.5:1 compression.
I appreciate all of the help you are all giving me, yes even you cher.

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Sorry, that was on 8.8:1 compression.

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okay, looks like 2.4L, 50 trim turbo. 8.5:1 comp.
This is kinda just a bigger 16G on a 2.0L setup, mostly simple.
hmmm, What tranny do u think i will need for this power level? stg. 2 or 3.
Thank you for helping so far, just looking for suggestions.
Appreciated as always.
Aaron

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2.0 Mahle/Pauter Ti, sleeves and all the machine shop tricks. FFWD Stage 4.5 head. JUN 280 12.5mm lift cams and a HKS T04Z or T51R. Pick your tranny, but any DSM tranny won't hold it and still shift. Getrag FTW!

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2.4, scm61 built car to support, call it done.

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dawgbocks

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What he said.

The 2.4l will really really help hitting the 300-350AWHP on a Dyno Dynamics. 50-trim should keep the spoolup decent. Don't go too crazy with the compression, if you are mostly going to run pump gas. My daily driver has an old shitty ETA32 turbo(rare, most failed a long time ago) on it. It's a 50-trim with a tiny TA compressor housing, T3 exhaust wheel stuck into a restrictive Mitsu exhaust housing. The motor is a 2.0l, 2G piston/1G big rod, HKS 272 cams, FMIC. It makes around 264awhp on our Dyno Dynamics on pump gas. The car knocks very easy on pump gas though, so I have to keep the ignition timing about half of what a stock 1G ECU runs under boost(on 110octane with around 7psi more boost, a lot leaner A/F, and more timing it picks up around 120awhp). With a 2.4l and a more modern 50-trim based turbo, I would expect it to be in the 320awhp range on pump gas.

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Getrags are junk too. Viper T56 FTW! or an auto :)

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Auto, fuck shifting.

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You must be a "bid dawg";):D



Anyway. I agree with most of the above. If you have to rebuild go with a 2.4 and 50-trim. Will spool nicely and put out some good numbers. Too bad you have to rebuild though.

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mk4 supras have getrags, so they cant all be bad. ;)

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2.4L
FP3052
HKS 272/272

Enough said ;)

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Yea, they never ever break in Supras either and the faster Supra guys never swap them out for Powerglides or TH400s. :)

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ryan woon goes pretty fast on his ;)

but heck, even shep has a ford 9" now. american driveline ftw?

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What about a 2.3. I thought those were supposed to be really good power handlers.

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Yeah I should just go 9", it's the in thing :(.

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Yeah, swanny I am gonna have to agree with you, powerglide and a ford 9" rear end FTW.

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You are forgeting the VPC. You have to have a VPC with your FoMoCo 9" and GM-PG

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well so far, its looks like 2.0L, and B16G, if i need more then a 50 trim. Now the question is stock internals or aftermarket for insurance?

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Stock internals will be cheaper and have better longitivity if you are doing a 2.0L with a B16G aslong as you keep a safe tune and aren't trying to max things out.

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Stock internals are dandy, you won't need to upgrade until you're making more than 500whp consistantly.

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IS the 2.3 stroker a good engine. or is the 2.4L better.
do they both fit AWD

I don't mean to highjack the thread

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Theoretically, they cannot handle as much RPM as a 2.0 motor can, because the rods are longer and the crank is bigger (basically). They can make a TON of power though, and yes, they'll all fit in an AWD car b/c they are all basically the same on the outside!

Lots and lots of info on this around the net and on this site, do some searching for more research.

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thanks for not butching me

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There is about .5l displacement difference between the 2.3l and 2.4l motors, depending on what you do for overbore. They both use the same 100mm crank. The difference is in bore size, if you use the 2.0l block, then you get a little less displacement, unless you went to a huge overbore. 2.0l blocks have oil squirters stock, you can have oil squirters put into the the 2.4l blocks also though. To run the long stroke in teh shorter deck 2.0l block, you often end up with the oil control ring of the piston partially cutting into the wrist pin area. Both motors suffer from the same high piston speeds and poor rod ratio due to the crank.

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If you are wanting to stay stock or low budget on the internals, build the 1g 2.0L. But if you are going to buy pistons, then do the 2.4L. Go for the larger displacement and torque? It cost the same unless you are going all out. Torque is what moves a car. Keep the rpm under 7500 and it will live just as well as a 2.0L and be more fun to drive.

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...except piston speed is a lot higher in the 2.4L compared to the 2.0L so that will negatively effect engine life.

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True but the differences at 7500 won't be noticed until very high mileage, who actually keeps their dsm running for 50+k?

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My engine lasted until 162k, had I decided to rebuild it instead of parting it out I would have expected the same. Rembember guys, Aaron wants this car to be a reliable DD and with the driving a lot of us seem to do 50k miles only seems to be about 2 years worth.

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I would say we could easily build a forged motor that will get close to 100k on it for rounds.

Performance and reliability and budget never go together. Most people can usually only afford 1, 2 costs real money, and 3 is never heard of.

Boost and horsepower also negativly effect engine life as well ;).

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Exactly. It shouldn't even be the engine that you'd have to worry about ageing. It's the rest of the car. It'll fall apart within the next few years anyways before the engine goes.