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I just purchased this today. This particular one is over $175 now on ebay but every few days or so he'll have a buy it now for $99 on one. If you don't know what they are, it's a device that splits water into H2 + O and you inject it into your car. It's a process called electrolysis. It does work! Way back in school we did an experiement with it. I've done alot of research over the past 2 weeks and i've found sites on the net with plans. The best are the ones that use a PWM voltage signal. I'm not sure what this one is. My plan is to reverse engineer it and possibly make it better to generate more H2. They are selling like hotcakes and he has great feedback on them. Do a search on ebay for Hydrogen Generator. This particular ones seems to be the best one. I'll post back on my success with it. I'll be happy with anything between 2 - 5 mpg extra, but would be really happy with more. I ordered it because the winning bid price keeps going up. A few days ago they were in the $150 range, now they are in the $180 range. Watch for the Buy it now ones that appear. I got lucky and got for $99

http://cgi.ebay.com/Hydrogen-Generat...QQcmdZViewItem

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You can build a car that runs soly on this set up. HOWEVER, you do need to prep a 100$ water car. Running a small amount shouldn't hurt you, but i've wanted to install one on a vehicle and try it.

Let me know how it goes, interested to see how it works out for you. Post any difference in Accel//0-6, mpg increase. I'm interested to see if i should build my own, or get some of these bad boys.

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Hmm.. wouldn't take long to gain back your money if it turns out to work. I don't know if it would be worth 2mpg so much as it would if it was 5mpg. You would probably gain your moneys worth back in 1-2 months if it was 5mpg + !

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Yes, I will definately post back. My daily is a '97 Grand AM Quad 4, 5 speed. I get anywhere from 25 to 29 mpg, depending on riding habits. I've never gotten more than that. This system WILL work. I'll just have to see how much. Any gain is worth it to me. It was only $135 total shipped. Like I said, alot of the success of it depends on the power supply. The plate design inside plays a part too. Your goal is to generate the H2 as fast as possible. I'm not sure how it all works with the o2 sensor. Ultimately when you inject the H2, you want the ECU to back off the fuel supply.

Keeps ya's posted...

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why not make it yourself? looks pretty easy. and it also sounds like a gimmic, but maybe it's not.

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Thats what I was thinking. How can they split the molecules of water without and electrolyte? Pure water itself doesnt conduct electricity so I dont see how electrolysis can work. Your money, your call. Definately post back, I'm very interested to see if it works.

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Well I do plan on making my own, I guess I just wanted to buy one from this guy before the prices got too out of hand and just improve upon it. That way I at least got something going while i'm in the process of redesign. Making Hydrogen is easy. Actually, you can make it just by sticking an alum can in a water & lye solution.

And Yes, you could make this system produce much, much more with a larger unit and a $100 shit box car. I'm just gonna start small. If I think too big right away, nothing will ever get built.

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Good point, I didn't bring that up. There is an electrolyte. Some electrolytes are just water & sodium.

Read this...

http://www.netmar.com/~maat/archive/...ar/h20car2.htm

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I've seen a Geo gone full water get 95 mpg. And, that's full water, out of the tap and a dual re-use system. The guy filtered the water coming from the tank, released it in small amounts into the engine, just enough to run it, and after the burn efect, he ran it through another filter. He had horrible backpresure, but he re-used the water that didn't burn and re-cycled it into the tank.

I'm not sure where the link is, but for 100 mpg i'd be willing to drop a few hundred bucks.

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Kinda interesting! I'm curious to see how it works for you

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The problem is where does the electricity come from to split the water into hydrogen. You electric bills are gonna go up while your gas station costs go down.

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I know salts dissolved in water makes an electrolyte, but the auction says that it doesnt need an electrolyte. No electrolyte, no conductivity, no hydrogen.

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This whole thread was good for a laugh, but this is the best!!!



Our education system has gone down the shitter. Since when does water burn??


Here is an bit from his Ebay ad:
Also there is no secret calculations to get multiple units to work on your car. I will not help you , it will help you burn out your alternator is what it will do and any gains you would have seen will be eaten up in load on the alternators , now there is a way to get around it and this only works in electrolysis, you get the same output if you say use 22.5 watts or 225 watts . You can use a dc to dc converter and run the unit at 1.5 volts ( min is 1.2 volts ) and 15 amps or you can run it at 12 volts at 15 amps , the output will be the same. If you use a dc to dc converter to do the job , then you could in reality run more units. Most people barely have room for one and do not want to maintain more than one , it would be a hassle and hardly worth it as you would still not see much more in gains and still need to run on gasoline or diesel.

If you admit that the amount of gains will be eaten up by the alternator by hooking up multiple units, how would it be much different than running one unit?

Also, it holds one quart of water. How much hydrogen do you think you are going to get from one quart of water? This is another marketing gimmick praying on people that already pay too much for fuel. I know a guy that swore up and down his platinum injection doo hicky made his gas mileage much better. He bought those vials of "platinum" for quite a while until he realized that it wasn't actually doing anything. A lot of these things have a placebo effect. You think it is doing something, you pay attention more and you are a little easier on the gas pedal.

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Research time!!!

I'll post up the site when i find it, but i don't know if i'll find the link. You don't "Burn" the water, but water is a byproduct of the process. That's why you have to ceramic coat your engine internals.

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I must agree, source and quote. Read up on stuff before you insult. I've seen a working version of the PURE water car in person. It's something else.

http://www.netmar.com/~maat/archive/...rplans_doc.htm

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The thing is, you can use one small system or one large system, use the same energy and get more gas. You presurise the gases and release them as needed to accelerate the car. It's a real piece of work, the only thing is you need to do a bit up upgrading on the car, larger alternator, custom fab an electical system so you can increas and decrease the amount of presure released from the tank to help the vehicle go when you step on the gas. Carberated cars work better, FI takes a little more work, but can be done.

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Water is also a byproduct of burning hydrocarbons, aka gasoline.

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True, but in a gas vehicle you don't want the water in there. So with the pure water set up you need to use stainless steel or ceramic coat anything that would rust.

But, you do know i'm talking about a 100% water car, no gas used, right?:confused:

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Snake oil anyone?

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What I should be getting in the mail in a day or two isn't a pure 100% water run car product. It's to give extra mpg. You still run normal gasoline. Also, you don't inject the water in it's H2O state as such like water injection. Read up. It goes through a process of electrolysis. You separate the H2 from the O (oxy). I'd be skeptical too, however I actually have done this way back in 10th grade science class. It wasn't hard at all. We then ignited the H2. We all know H2 is very flammable (Hindenburg blimp). There is no question whether it will work or not. The question is how much H2 it will generate per minute.

I promise I will post back once I get it hooked up.

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It's hard to believe that we drink something that has a gas that's very flammable in it.

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Alright, before you tell someone else to do research, you should do some yourself. There is no "water car" it is called a hydrogen powered car. The main by product is water. It does not burn water. Volvo was one of the innovators back when you were probably in diapers. You also do not fill the car up with water, you fill it up with hydrogen, which is stored in a fuel cell.

The problem is that it takes a lot of energy to create hydrogen and you end up with a costly fuel that is difficult to store. It would be great if they could figure out the bugs though. It is the energy system I would like to see succeed the most. Now go do some research and quit wasting our time with gimmicks.

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I still want to know how they got that delorean to run off peoples garbage!

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I don't know, talk to Dr. Emmett Brown :D

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I'm talking about a vehicle, and i've done research, i've seen it too :eek: that runs off of water. Now, before you tell me it's a hydrogen car. How the hell would you get water to burn?

It's done by filling the gas tank, or custom build tank, with regular H20 and running it into a presureized metal, or PCV piping. When the correct voltage is run through a series of pipes inside the "Tube" it seperates the water(H20 into the seperate components. This "Gas" is then released from the presurized "Tube" into the intake, of the car, and is drawn in by the natural vacume of the car. Inside the engine, the gases are compresed, ignited, and dispeled the same as a normal engine would. Any guesses as to the byproduct of burning hydrogen and oxygen together? Yep, water.

So, you've now got a car that breathes in gas(Hydrogen and Oxygen) and breathes out unburnt Hydrogen, Oxygen, and Water. During the combustion some of the gases re-form into water, but most don't.

So when i say water car, you start with water in the tank, and end up with water(some) coming out your exauhst. The downfall, you rust out the stock system in a month or two if you don't take the right steps. I'm going to turn a boat motor into a water powered motor. Nothing like running out of gas on the lake, and just dumping some lake water into your tank. :-D

Any more skeptics? :rolleyes:

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Ok, I have a feeling the last post would come back to haunt me, so here's my proof.
http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/feb2/carplans.htm

Spirit of Maat is a weird, however VERY knowledgable site. Have a way to get an almost never-ending power suply from one 12 volt battery. I can't remember how it worked, but i'll be looking that up sometime, to see if i can use it in any way, shape, or form.

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Well of course I am skeptical:D

I am not going to say you are bsing us or dont know what you are talking about because I dont know enough about the subject. BUT, why hasnt this moved forward and why havent I heard more about this? There are ways to prevent rusting if that is the only problem.

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Stop arguing, put it on the car and tell us how you found it's not worth spending the money. :D

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I can't remember off hand, but either the U.S. gov has a patent on it, or a rich oil owner in the middle east has a pattent on it.

I belive it's the U.S. gov, and it's the same set up they would use in space, or on the moon, to convert water into oxygen and hydrogen for fuel. Even heard of the US gov working on using this to convert sea water into useable oxygen for prolonged underwater stays. Only problem is, they didn't have a use, or way, to disguard the hydrogen.

Needless to say, the models used in space would be MUCH safer and more reliable then our do it yourself builds. One downfall, if the system shorts out, or a spark jumps and contacts the Hydrogen. Say goodbye to your engine, your car, and most of the time, your garage. If, and when it goes off you've got anywhere from 40-100 PSI of compresed Hydrogen and Oxygen waiting to go off.

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Well i emailed the guy because I haven't received it yet. The ad say 2-3 day priority and it's been about 5. They emailed me back shortly again and said to be patient. They've been extremely his wife said. They said to wait a week yet. So basically what they don't tell you is that it's not build yet. I wrote back and said thanks for being honest. So I probably won't have any updates for about 1.5 weeks. Don't worry, it will yield results. I just don't know how much.

I'm not endorsing the product in any way. I just know that electrolysis works. Like i've said in at least 2 posts of mine above, i've done it. It does produce highly flammable H2.

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And the pressure and electricity needed for this process come from where exactly?

Here's a nice reality check for you hydrogen power people:
http://www.caranddriver.com/columns/...ck-bedard.html

The opening line of the article pretty much sums up the article:

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I am still a skeptic too. That link you provided has absolutely no proof or even scientific data of any sort. He even said he was fooled by a car that was running on partially gas. I want to see some real proof.

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Myth Busted :p

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LOL, were you just watching Myth Busters too? :D

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Ok then, how about this. If everyone thinks it's impossible, explain why?:p

I'm not saying, "This site says it can't be done". Because i've seen a working model, infact when i get around to this i'll post on here and invite everyone over for a beer. :D

I've seen a working car, and as soon as i get money i'll be equiping a motor to run on the same system.

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It' not an issue of "Can the kit produce hydrogen?", yes it can. It's the question of "Can the kit produce enough hydrogen in quantity to make a difference?". The answer is no. ;)

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And, what amount of power went into seperating the hydrogen, and how was that power made.

Obviously I am talking about other cases besides your car, but the fact remains, there is no such thing as free power, unless you are doing this whole hydrogen seperation thing from a solar or wind powered machine.

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That is exactly right. That little 1 qt container has enough hydrogen in it to drive your car a couple of miles, max. There is enough power in there to be equivalent to 2 pints of gas and that doesn't include the power necessary to split the water molecules!

Take some chemistry courses and it will become much more clear. Hydrogen and oxygen like to be together, it takes a fair amount of energy to split them apart. Water is very stable, so it takes a lot of energy. Things that aren't so stable (gasoline for example) split apart easily.

The amount of energy in an equal amount of hydrogen and gas are also very different. Hydrogen atoms are also MUCH smaller than oxygen atoms, so the amount of hydrogen you can get out of water is pretty small compared to the amount of water going in.

I am guessing the "water car" has quite a few batteries in it to provide the energy to make the hydrogen and also could not make as much electricity as it uses. I bet the car would get far just from the electrical power it uses than it could making hydrogen.

Hydrogen can currently be made pretty easily, it just takes too much energy to produce it.

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http://www.dsmstyle.com/forums/showt...534#post138534 ;)

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I got the tracking number for my H2 generator. I should have it by early-mid next week.

Check this out non believers.

http://www.drturi.com/images/FoxNews_-_WaterFuel.wmv

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The more I learn about this topic the more I am convinced that the hydrogen generator does nothing. You need electricity to split the molecules apart, the most energy you can get out of burning them and putting them back together is the amount you used in the first place. And that is if everything is 100% efficient.

For the car in the video, I am betting that he is not making the hydrogen in the car as he drives, he probably runs a machine at his home that is plugged into his wall. There's just no such thing as free energy.

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most dsms are fueled by nothing but hopes and dreams anyway so wy bother with gas in the first lace. 95% of your cars dont even drive and arent your daily drivers..

Anyway just want to make some shout outs for my tornado fuel saver, clamp on fuel line molecule splitter, and my octane booster.. Those 3 things made total increase of about 50 whp, quicker excelleration, and mde my tt viper get about 45 miles to the gallon pretty tight huh?

Water powered cars would have no go at all.. If anyone watches the red green show they did do a van that was run on my water by spinning a lunch bench and it floated by duct taping a grip of plastic bottles to crates unter neath it.. so I guess a water car could work...:( you guys are lame

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