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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11951694/

It's scary to not know what is going to happen.

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Aslong as it melts snow quicker ;)

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wow, the media blowing stuff out of proportion as usual.

we had an early winter this year. Which generally mean it'll end a tad early.

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Have you looked outside?

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Did you even read the article? It wasn't about our winter. It was about the changes to the weather pattens in the artic.

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yes I did read it.

it was more of a general comment because i was watching something on tv at the same time and kinda got the stoires mixed in my add having brain :)

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I'm not saying that humans arent affecting the environment, but climate fluctuations are VERY normal.

http://www.niwascience.co.nz/ncc/clivar/variations

I'm getting a job closer to my house so i can bike there during the summer cuz my bike gets 5 million mpg, and i dont have to worry about leaking capacitors on its ecu OR 1st to 2nd grinds:)

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yes, there is snow on the ground

and last week, there was a foot of snow on the ground

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Exactly, so don't say winter will end early this year.

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I agree that climate fluctuations over long periods of time are very normal. Although we are not helping the normal fluctuation. We are pretty much speeding up what is supposed to happen over time on earth?

Winter has been very weird these past 5+ years. I really dont know who to trust on global warming, the scientists that say we are causing ice bergs to melt and all... or the scientists that say fluctuations are normal. I think its a combination of the two together.

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I'm going outside to burn some styrofoam.

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Yep thats most likely the case. I'd like to take this time to thank all the responsible adults for giving us such a promising world!

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Hardly. Its not like the world is about to come to and end and have us all die a firery death. [out of styrofoam, switching to rubber]

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I would like to personally thank you for having never done anything to harm the environment. I assume, since you made such a statement, that you have never driven a car, ridden on a bus, turned on a light, used a computer (Obviously your using a solar wind powered machine right now) or anything else to cause even an ounce of harm to the environment. Thanks! ;)

**Edit**
Disclaimer: I am by no means the poster child for being environmentally responsible, I just don't think it's fair to point the finger at one person, or a group of people, for the problems of the world. :)

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what about hippies?

they used alot of hairspray

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And smoke too much weed.

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Lol. I was about to say, might as well.;) Look at the irony involved with the name of the topic and the fact that its being posted in the DSM forum.

For those confused with my 'joke' ---> (DSMs drink gas like humans drink water *well, at least mine does* and therefore pollute a shitload) :p

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We will see a change that alot of people aren't even considering. Ever heard of the "Atlantic Conveyer"? It's the natural flow of Atlantic water currents moving north. Warm water is the upper layer of water which moves north. As it is cooled in the artic region it sinks to the bottom of the ocean and starts moving south again until it reaches warmer climate, raises in temperature which then makes it leave the bottom of the ocean and become the top layer moving north again. As warm water (which brings warm air) reaches the northern hemisphere, ice/glaciers melt and dump water into the Atlantic Ocean. Global warming only adds to the effect. You say "So, what's the big deal with that?" Here's the big deal with that, inland ice that form glaciers is made from rain/fresh water, not sea water. So when this fresh water hits the Atlantic Ocean in large quantities as it will be doing soon, it disrupts the "Atlantic Conveyer" flow. This slows/stops warm water from moving north through the Atlantic. Since warm air/water stop moving north, it gets colder. This is actually how an "Ice-age" gets started. It could only take 10 years of this to completely stop the "conveyer", but 100 years to get it started again.

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Mark, If i could have made the choice to take a hydrogen powered ambulance to the hospital to get born i would have. honestly. lol. But we all know there wasnt any "hydrogen powered ambulances" back in 1988. thats right im 18. anyways. I havent had much of a choice in means of transportation i mean diesel, gas, or bike pedal. Its been 200 years since the dawn of the internal combustion engine and 100 since gasoline powered engines. It took us 9 years to land a man on the moon but 105 to make a mass produced transportation vehicle that doesnt run on gasoline alone?(insight or prius?) Granted emissions are way lower than what they used to be with the ulevs and near zero vehicles. I just don't think the generations before me really did all they could for the future generations. And they aren't doing much now either. So i guess you're right in a way, why am i bitching about it when i should be saving the planet. Let me go get my suit...

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Yeah, because the large oil companies aren't spending billions a year in alternative-fuel research...oh wait! Why exactly are you on a DSM board instead of a Civic board?

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Basically that's what happened in the movie... The Day After Tomorrow. The movie may have been a little extreme, but it's the same concept.

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Vicious, where is the proof that the inland glaciers are melting? I have seen a lot of mixed evidence out there. The average temperature of the earth as a whole has not changed much since they were able to keep accurate records.

Looking at the other side of things, what if the earth is able to "cleanse" itself much more than most people realize? Weather patterns seem to go in a 70 year cycle.

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So you agreed with me, then you called me a ricer...thats pretty deep there buddy. Is there anything worse to say to a dsmstyle member?A good come back s2 would have been this http://www.iter.org/ you could say, look they are doing something. Just not in the US. AND a way to reverse the situation http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/002222.html I'd like drunken robots and name callers to refrain posting in this thread.

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Oh one last thing for those of you who check out the first link, lol, remeber the new spiderman movie? Remember tritium? doc oc wanted it to use in his fusion reactor. the fusion reactor that peter parker the smart person said wouldnt work. and sure enough in the movie the reactor blows up, luckily not owning new york. Talk about controlling the public. if i went out and asked someone about tritium they would say "oh that was in a spiderman movie!"

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Hey hippie, read into my sarcasm...I was saying they ARE spending billions of dollars per year on alternative fuel research. That is part of the reason why our gas prices are so high right now. I believe BP is leading that pack.

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What the frick is this. "oil peak" GAS is expensive because they are discovering 1 barrel of oil for every 2 they make. Asian countries are starting to gulp down oil now cuz everyone is getting a car. supply demand, NOT alternative fuel research, lol, ur funny. google oil peak you'll understand. anyways im done with this i was trying to have constructive conversations.

s2 why dont you show everyone the "billions of dollars" in alternative fuel research by oil companies and why that is the reason for expensive gas.

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Lets see, if they are spending a lot is sure as hell isn't coming out of their pocket. So you're saying with every oil cycle the supply is being cut in half? Nonesense.

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he said discovering 1 barrel per 2 farmed...oil is more sparce snd spread out....the earth will never run out of oil, it will become too costly to supply the worlds demands....THAT is a known fact.

Enough with the name calling

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just read my links s2. cuz you havent clicked on one yet. i'm done with this cuz i cant compete with your flapdoodle.

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You already said that. I read your links, there are always 2 sides to an argument and sometimes neither side is right.

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Source please. :confused:

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THANK YOU, Jakey!

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Pwned!!!

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It was quoted on the news from when big-oil was in front of congress, I'll see if I can find some documents pertaining to such after work tonight.

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http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...s/3736826.html BP alone plans to spend $8 billion over the next decade.

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That'd be cool as I have also read about oil companies dumping money into alternative fuel research, but I have yet to see anything which links those R&D expenditures to the high crude oil prices.

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You don't need a scientist to tell you about global warming. Just look at what winter was like ten years ago in Minnesota compared to this year. It really is rather sadening. I remember being able to make tunnels in my front yard throught the snow, now its a rarity to have to shovel. Pretty soon we'll forget all about snow, 10 more years, thats my bet.

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http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/science....ap/index.html

Another write up.

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I'm glad we are talking about this, I just saw a show on the Discovery Science channel about this a few minutes ago. It was called "The Big Chill". Look for it, it explains alot. They stated directly that Iceland's (or Greenland's, can't remember which) glaciers are melting and receeding at a rate of 12 kilometers a year. Maybe a decade ago they were receeding at 6 kilometers a year, so the rate has doubled in recent times. In the next 50 years the waters that dump into the Atlantic Ocean from several rivers will double due to global warning, which will dilute the salt water and slow or stop the "conveyer".

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I've heard that Europe will suffer an extreme drop in temperatures due to shifts in the oceans' currents.