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Why not :)

I usually do that with Shane because he is so damn busy I like to make sure and get a time slot that works for me so I am not going in there at like 10am on a work day, lol.

Fair enough, I can't wait to see some pump gas numbers, that turbo has seemed pretty solid on pump gas.

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BBX FTW!

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lovin' da blue

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Snap Crackle Pop.

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Look what I found on my back step when I got home from work :)

http://i.imgur.com/z3XUW.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/RF6al.jpg

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oh snaps. is it blue because that is the color of fast? lol. jk. looks flippin niiiiiiiiice.

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Woo! Scheides turbo install day this weekend? :)

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Beautimus.

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My parents are coming saturday, and omfg jersey shore season 2 starts tomorrow night! LOL kidding, but yea we'll see what happens. Install stuff comes into brookdale on friday.

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Looks good! Not getting any porting/coating before it goes on?

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I have the turbine housing off and in my back seat. After my interview this morning I'm going to swing by MAP and see if they can get it done by tomorrow (praying). The turbo came with CBRD's optional port job. It's nothing like what Bob/MAP did for my BBK, but it is still a damn good port job, better than I could dream of doing with the cheap stone wheels I've used on a few stock turbine housings. I'll post some pics later on.

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And it begins. :) SWEET.

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Bad ass, scheides knows how to do a car right.

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very nice

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So let's see, got the turbo Wednesday, was supposed to help Rosey with brakes Thursday. His parts weren't in so I went ahead and started ripping my car apart Thursday night. Thursday morning I had an interview and dropped off the hotside at Modern Automotive Performance to get ceramic coated (it already had a good, basic port job by CBRD). Got home late, helped Anna with some stuff around the house and then got busy. mlomker showed up to put his WGA arm back on and ended up sticking around to hand me wrenches, hold the light, and generally motivate me! I got about 2.5 hours or so in and called it quits, the bolt holding the turbine housing to the block was all that remained.

http://www.scheides.com/albums/bbx/IMG_2932.sized.jpg

http://www.scheides.com/albums/bbx/IMG_2933.sized.jpg


Friday after work trevor came over and we went to town. I made a joke long ago when doing an IM install on my evo8 that this would be similar to doing a turbo on an X. Boy was I wrong. An IM weighs like 5 pounds, all aluminum. A turbo weighs like 35 pounds with the o2 housing, clunky and awkward as FOK to get out.

http://www.scheides.com/albums/bbx/IMG_2943.sized.jpg

http://www.scheides.com/albums/bbx/IMG_2944.sized.jpg

Shortly after this pic was taken, Anna walked up and started poking me in the ass and I threatened to kick her in the face...I was frustrated, she didn't like it too much, I felt really bad :( Sorry baby.

Lots of room once the turbo is out, but it's about to get filled again:
http://www.scheides.com/albums/bbx/IMG_2963.sized.jpg

The BBX comp wheel kinda dwarfs the stocker. It's not a 4202 or anything, but this is actually a pretty sizable turbo. 58lbs/min.

http://www.scheides.com/albums/bbx/IMG_2948.sized.jpg

http://www.scheides.com/albums/bbx/IMG_2950.sized.jpg

http://www.scheides.com/albums/bbx/IMG_2952.sized.jpg

http://www.scheides.com/albums/bbx/IMG_2953.sized.jpg

After a bite, we swung over to MAP and got the turbine housing. THANK YOU Modern Automotive Performance for the QUICK TURNAROUND! These guys do great work.

http://www.scheides.com/albums/bbx/IMG_2964.sized.jpg

http://www.scheides.com/albums/bbx/IMG_2965.sized.jpg

After a few hours the turbo was back in and we fired up the car. Thank god, no leaks! I put ALL new copper crushwashers and gaskets in, save for the head-manifold, manifold-turbo, and turbo-o2 housing gaskets. Oh, FUN FACT! My stock turbo had no gasket on the compressor outlet, to the comp outlet pipe. Unreal. It didn't leak though, when I tested it. I put one on this time :P

http://www.scheides.com/albums/bbx/IMG_2939.sized.jpg

http://www.scheides.com/albums/bbx/IMG_2942.sized.jpg

Made a few laps around the block and 24psi on the 100% stock fuel system I'm seeing 11:1 afr up to about 5500, that's as high as I've taken it for now. I'm going to try and turn it down and rev it out, then slowly turn up the boost and try find the limit of the stock fuel system. I have a set of 800cc injectors to go in sometime in the near future, and asked Shane@DB Performance to give me a shout if he has any last-minute cancellations next week. For now, I'll just drive the thing, log it, and start enjoying!

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Cool beans, any gains that you can notice with your butt dyno? I've still yet to ride in an X, I'm down for a ride at the next dyno day :)

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LOL that's the one!

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Alright, just went out for the first real test drive. I did a boost leak test right before I left, umm, yea. Bad idea to do that on the turbo inlet hose for some reason on the X...car was smoking so bad I was worried the turbo was blown :( After about 5 pulls and a few miles it cleared right up :D The smell of the fresh ceramic coating also threw me off, but things are cool now!

So, take this whole bit with a HUGE grain of salt, there's a LOT of caveots. The blow overlay was done on different roads so it is not a perfect example of my stock turbo setup, I think the low-end torque is over-stated compared to VDR's I've done in the past. But w/e, good enough for now. I did ABSOLUTELY ZERO TUNING and simply turned the boost up bit by bit until I saw AFR start to lean out up top. Solid 11's through the powerband and jumping to 12 at 8000rpm. 27psi peak, tapering to 25psi at 7000rpm. Currently seeing 25psi@3898rpm, so 800rpm loss in spool from the stock turbo. 100% STOCK FUEL SYSTEM!

Still, the car does not really feel aweful. It is a *bit* lazy, but with the stock o2 housing and downpipe on there, this is really NOT an ideal setup. If anyone else were to be modding their car and looking for a jump in power every few months, I'd say ABSOLUTELY do the o2 housing/downpipe first, then turbo later on. At the rate I'm going with this build, I figure I'll have that addressed before too long ;) I left most of the heat shields and a few bolts easily accessable on the o2 housing to make the job easier when it comes time.

Now, first overlay, remember...grain of salt! No tuning! I was running 15°*of timing @7000rpm on the stock turbo, on the BBX I'm only running about 11, LOL! Def needs tuning, she's got a bit left in it!
http://scheides.com/misc/pics/evox/o...-no-tuning.JPG

So yea, 3000-4500rpm really suffered (remember grain of salt) which I fully expected, but 6000+ this thing just keeps going going going! Peak wtq is down only about 15, but peak whp is up around 50! With tuning I'm hoping to see a bit more than that on the current setup, but I have a set of DW800's to go in first.

Overall, I'm SUPER happy with this setup, can't wait to get a few more mods on it and see what it'll do, but moreso just continue to enjoy the car. I'm so impressed with the stock fuel system so far, I imagine I could get more out of it with more timing but idk, will that cause fuel consumption to go up and max out the injectors earlier? I can't seem to log IDC with EvoScan v2.7 so idk where I'm even at numberwise there. I'll play with it a bit more and then get some actual dyno numbers before too long.

THANK YOU CBRD!

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Congrats btw.

Is this still pump gas/premium?

I d/l that dyno software but I still haven't tried it out.
That must feel good up top.

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wow. for a stock fuel system...that's pretty impressive.

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Nice work Scheides :) Looking good man, can't wait to see how it compares on DB's dyno.

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Yup, pump gas. 800's should support 380whp or so @DB on the stock fuel pump as long as I stick to gasoline. That's all I have in mind for now, because after that, I'll have to do an upgraded MAF housing, bigger fuel pump setup (can't just drop a walbro into these, its more expensive than 4G63 cars), and bigger injectors; that's pretty easily $600-800 minimum in parts. So yea, I liken this stock maf housing/800cc/stock fuel pump setup to the good'ol DSMstyle 550cc/2G MAF/16g combo :) Simple, just enough to get by, and (hopefully) potent!

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Looks awesome man! I bet this thing RIPS once you do downpipe/o2 housing/Shane tune. You ever figure out why it smoked so bad after the boost leak test???

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I'm guessing I just pushed a little oil or coolant past the bearings somehow (only tested to 5psi), hopefully that is a done deal. I put a handful of miles on it now smoke-free, I'll report back ;)

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That's really weird, is there some special way you have to boost leak test a X? lol

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Great progress...and quickly!

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I had heard about some seals people were blowing out by doing boost leak tests on the X's. So when I did mine, I did it post turbo, just on the upper IC pipe.

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I got the stock injectors out and the part number on the side of them suggests that they are in fact 600's, which actually seems about right. 600/560=1.07. IX 560s could support about 315whp when really maxed out, add 7% and you get about 340, right where we're at.

DW800's are in, I'm playing around with a few sets of latencies published on the internet to see what's best to start from. Even just bumping the scaling and not touching the latencies the starts and drives pretty damn good!

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^Awesome news Scheides...I have loved my DW injectors...I never really had any driving issues at all thanks to Shane and DW.

Glad all is well on your car.

Edit: So did MAP get your hotside coated in a day? I am hoping I can drop mine off tomorrow at lunch and pick up the next day at lunch then drop it at DB after work on Tuesday.

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They did but it wasn't their typical turn around.

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I asked Bill last week if they could do it for me in a day he said they could probably, but I will find out for sure today. Dropping the black off at MAP for coating in a few hours.

Maybe Scheides has special hookups there:biggrin:

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MAN this turbo is really fun! So much smoother down low but still plenty of airflow to do a top-gear pass if you want to. Car just wants to rev rev rev, more rpm = more power, it's like driving an nsx or a supercharged M3! There is no real 'hit' when you come into boost, onset is slowed just enough to make the car SUPER linear, and transient boost between gears is still damn quick. I can't wait to get tuned and *gasp* get more supporting mods on this thing!

On the injectors, I've tried 3 different published scaling/latency values and all seem to want to go around -10 on the fuel trims and WOT has been anywhere from 10.3-11.8 on my existing fuel map, but they start, idle, and cruise perfect, even with the a/c on. The idle control system on the X is WORLDS better than dsms/evos, it is nothing short of amazing to me.

On the MAP turnaround, I talked to them a week prior, setup a rough date, and then turned up thursday and begged them to get it done for me. If you have more than 24 hours I'm sure they could fit it in 48-72 hours no problem, they like to keep similar coatings together (i.e. do a manifold and hotside at the same time). Basically just being respectful, giving them a solid heads up and then asking really nicely if they'll stick to that schedule is all it takes. Beer helps, as always. Yes murlo, I got it coated, see pics in the install/turbo pr0n post ;)

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lol. It's one thing to see the graphs but it's something else to drive it. Mine is pulling at 8k and I expect it to still be pulling at 9k once we turn up the wick.

It even keeps cams from loping properly. :)

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Thats a good thing! I worked really hard smoothing out the FP4R's on my IX.

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I will try sweat talking them when I get there today ;)

Yea its pretty insane how the X is up top...I honestly had trouble shifting my Red at 7600rpm, the turbo was pulling so hard up top it wanted to rev higher. The BBX looks to be exactly the same. It honestly is starting to feel more and more like my turbo RSX...well it was, lol.

What other supporting mods are you looking to do Scheides? The CBRD mani looks epic, I think i might do that this winter...most people on stock frames have showed no losses on tubular mani's on the X's and lots to gain up top! Or I might have ETS build me a twin mini EWG tubular to keep twinscroll, now that would be epic...but T3 kit priced, lol.

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More communication is better, Murlo. A quick email/IM/phone call earlier in the day before you head over (I usually swing by after work or over lunch) makes worlds of difference. They're expecting you, keeping you on their radar, etc.

Next steps: autoX (driver mod!), another drag event (let's get this thing into the 12's!), tuning time (power), miles (I have over 1000 miles on the new clutch already!), and enjoyment!

If I come up with some cash I'll look into doing an o2 downpipe (kinda want the MAP recirc'd) and one of their rev 2 exhaust manifolds. This should really help with the midrange and peak power throughout the powerband and start to make the most of this turbo.

That's honestly it for the scope of projects I had in mind with this car. I have some life and myself to focus on for a while, as well as helping other people with their cars, so the X will just be old faithful (hopefully!). We'll see where I end up after the above projects are done and go from there, one step at a time, no need to rush.

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Yea I gave them the heads up last week and again today:) One thing I do well is email shops in an effort to manage my build in some fashion even though it doesn't help a ton and might just bug em, I try to line things up in advance :)

Maybe you want to buy my ported exhaust mani when i go tubular ;)

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i want a ride!!!

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Maybe baby! LMK when ya make the move. ;)

I wanna see more dyno data out of the tubular manifolds vs a MAP full Rev2 mani, I think they will be closer than everyone thinks! That's a whole other discussion though.