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Depends, I guess, since most other gaskets are "single use." :D

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I have the white one. It's the one MAP makes for our cars. I have had it since my fp black build. So its been reused several times.

Yep, I am guessing I should've replaced this gasket I will get a new OEM one this week and put it on this weekend. I trust the OEM one to seal properly vs one of those I guess.

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Get a new white one, reusing it that many times is your problem. They work well. I had one on my IX and X.

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My buddy said those plastic ones can have sealing issues and said the OEM one is the safe bet.

Looks like MAP doesn't even make theirs anymore, at least its not on their site. And they only show the Boomba one which is 85 bucks.

http://www.maperformance.com/boomba-...shi-evo-x.html

Not sure what the hell all those bolts and that other piece are for pictured here...

Seems safter to go with this:

http://www.maperformance.com/oem-int...ion-evo-x.html

Is there a reason that it's not a good idea to do OEM?

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They're about $20, you just have to ask for one. Bill always knows what people are talking about when I refer them.

People say a lot of things, 99% of which have never actually touched the product...I use/recommend/trust things I've actually had good experiences with.

Your car so it's your call, but it sounds like you've had good luck with it thus-far, if anything, it went beyond expectations since you reused it multiple times! OEM is never a bad idea, it just leaves room for improvement on the table.

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No I hear ya.

I just don't want to have to pull the intake mani apart again after I do it this week/weekend.

Especially since my buddy who is a mechanic for infiniti is helping and he recommended OEM. SO if I don't go OEM, he helps and it leaks still, he will kick me in the nuts lol.

I am fighting internally, as I don't want to leave power on the table but I just want it to work.

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Simple: See what's in-stock immediately available for wrenching this week :)

One side-note: Sometimes when manifolds get ported they slightly warp due to heat and the flange face isn't as true as it was from the factory; the white gasket allow for more squish than the OEM gasket does. Cobb had this issue with a ported IM (MAP Rev2) and the OEM gasket wouldn't seal it.

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Well that was my thoughts as to why the leak is there, because I got a MAP rev3 since last time it was isntalled. So I assumed the white gasket I had was formed to the OEM manifold and after the porting, the surface changed slightly and it wouldn't seal.

If they have the white one in stock I will go for that I suppose. It's not the end of the world to do the IM twice I guess. And if it has more "squish" than OEM, that is probably a good thing.

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Map doesn't make theirs anymore. But they sell this which I bought:

http://www.maperformance.com/gizzmo-...o-x-g6039.html

Bill said it was basically the same thing. Almost looks like this is what MAP maybe rebranded for theirs. Anyway, gasket and battery ordered (got the odyssey 680 instead of the 925 this time as its cheaper and lighter). My battery actually tested good at my buddies dealership but just didn't seem to want to start the car so not sure what gives. The car started fine when i left the charger on there though.

If this battery doesn't last I am going to put a normal one back in there or start checking my grounds as something has to be up with it.

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I had good luck with the STM battery kit I put in my car. Pretty nice for $150 shipped (battery, bracket, hardware, etc.).

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I have all the hardware for the PC680. I have the AMS battery kit, just need a new battery and the PC680 should work the same.

Thanks though for the recommend :)

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Why not test that battery in your other car or in some other application, if it checks out on a tester? Id do that before ordering another expensive battery.

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I will run nothing but these batteies: check out the site.. expensive but they out perform anything you can get, and last forever. http://shop.antigravitybatteries.com...ries-ytx12-20/

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Order it up, that is badass!

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That battery is too much Shawn, I would love to get it but I am tapped for car money. I just want to drive the damn thing. I went with the PC680 as they are relatively proven.

The guy who tested my other battery said its sadly very common that the tester shows it good but they still have to replace batteries to fix them. He saw it in action and agreed a new battery was in order, so I just ordered it as I just want to drive the car.

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Ok.. I going to introduce some logic.. and it will blow you mind, is this your 3rd small battery @ 160 bucks a crack? Lets say you buy one anti gravity battery, you are still way ahead. You can get the smaller one @ $289. I Just went with the 600 Cranking amps, no this is not same old CCA which tends to be way overrated. But 600 cranking amps for 10 seconds or more which is insane.

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I'm about to drop it on you bitches.
Walmart battery - $60-120 bam!!!
http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...0px-Kaboom.jpg

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I will see your walmart suggestion and offer him my good OEM battery for free.. Yes Murlo free..

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technically, yes this is my 3rd lol.

I know what you are saying but I think I cooked the other two myself, no one else has these issues. Actually this is my 4th :(

I had the original one that came with the AMS kit, that one died pretty quick sitting in my garage through winter. So I bought another which never actually died, fully, but shows the same symptoms of my current battery. I left that one on my trickle charger through winter in my basement, same as I did with my current battery and they worked but not great and had trouble starting so I bought my current problem one last spring after the car was struggling to start. So I am guessing the last two were worn down my my trickle charger not working right.

I know A LOT of evo guys that run this PC680 that never seem to have issues like I do, so I was just assuming improper storage and charging on my end here.

I was going to buy a lithium one but didn't want to shell out that much. But you are right if the cause of those batteries failing wasn't by me or my charger, then I am throwing money away. But the symptoms of the batteries and my process pointed towards me being the culprit aka user error.

If this one bites the dust I will sack up next year and buy a lithium one. But I just feel like it was my storage of the battery that killed it.

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LOL, if this one doesn't work, then I will come grab your OEM one :)

But the battery is already bought and on the way. If the new one has issues then it is something else causing it not battery related and I will dig into that and sell my other battery or one of them.

It seemed like it had a dead cell though so guessing a new battery will work better.

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I'll see your $60 walmart battery and raise you my $30 fleet farm battery, BOOM!

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I used a PC680 and I couldn't get them to last over 18 months. After killing 2 of those I put in a lawnmower battery from walmart and the thing lasted for years! It was like $55 too and about the size of a PC680.

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Kaboom FTW.

Wish walmart wasn't so far, you could of had it in the car......

Sorry I really just wanted to use my pic, it's been a while.

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I toasted my Braille 2015 in 6 months (very similar to the pc680, not sure how long it was installed prior to me buying the car), would need a jump if I didn't drive it every couple weeks. Switched to Lithium, no more problems. The mini AGM batteries don't perform like stock, the Lithium are lighter and have way more power, they work like stock from my experience. Could leave my car a month and started up no problems.

I guess if you have already purchased, it's too late. But next year when you need another, +1 for Lithium.

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LOL, well then...maybe my luck with these small batteries isn't my charging methods, sounds like a lot of others have had issues. I know a lot of guys running them in evos though, seems like the standard. Well, worst case I will sell it this fall and then buy a lithium one in spring.

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I never had an issue with them.

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Exact same story here. Lawnmower batteries work fine, and are about as cheap to replace as an oil change. Standard once a year maintenance.

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This discussion reminds me of when you had to charge my DSM battery on Uni to get me home. :lol:

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Ha, that was a long time ago.

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Well the new PC680 started the car just fine, well minus the fact that there was still an air leak on the intake manifold making the car suck in air post MAF and make it a bit harder to start.

the new thermal spacer didn't work and upon closer inspection it appears there is an issue with the mating surface on the intake manifold. I did not want to use any sealant or anything as when we looked there was an apparent step or imperfection around runner 3.

Talking with Adam at MAP on facebook last night he thought the flat sanding process was probably the issue. I have already shot an email to Bill at MAP and I am sure they will take care of the issue but its just a PITA to have to keep pulling parts of and re-installing not to mention buying parts I don't need.

So hopefully they can fix the mating surface and get it true so it will seal up. If they fix it and it still leaks I will really be frustrated but i expect nothing less from my stupid evo. Even trying to go back to stock'ish its fighting me.

edit: emailed Chris back and forth. sounds like they recommend 2 OEM gaskets, one on each side to help sealing. Apparently the older thermal spacer I had was pliable enough to help with sealing and didn't need these but the new one I got they "need" them. I did mention I needed something pliable when I ordered so that kind of sucks that I am just finding this out now. I think Hughes said something about this earlier but I thought I was getting a direct replacement for my old spacer not one like I got which made the leak worse. Anyway, going to stop at MAP tomorrow to have them inspect the mating surface and see if its flat. If there is an issue with it I am still going to have the fix it and will probably get two OEM gaskets...more money spent, doh. Again, I should've just listened to Kracka but didn't realize I was getting the hard plastic one until it showed up.

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You'll get it man, just keep at it.

Just remember once this car is running to read through all your old posts and you'll remember to leave the car alone and just enjoy it ;)

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Luckily the X intake mani is way easier to R&R than the 8/9's!

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In exchange for turbos being harder to switch. I'd rather have it the other way as i am more likely to change exhaust manifolds/turbos than intake manifolds!

But from a performance/heat aspect the X is smarter.

Yes, it isn't too bad to pull off, but its just a pain to have to do it over and over again ya know.

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Totally understand that. So now you'll have 3 gaskets for a grand total of about $150?


This is the type I recommend, just so everyone is on the same page, they generally sold for around $25 or so and require no extra hardware, gaskets, etc.:

http://www.dsmstyle.com/photopost/data/547/IMGP1544.JPG

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That is what I had before. But the consensus seemed to be the gasket was the issue.

Then the new one basically made it worse. Which is why I think its the actual manifold not the gasket. I am sure if the manifold was true/flat I never would've had an issue.

And yes, i paid 30 bucks for that other one, worked great.

And also yes, now I have a total of 3 gaskets, worth like $150! It's stupid. I told them they need to update their site to say that you will need 3 as then I don't think most people would buy them.

When I bought the spacer that I have now they said it was the same as the old MAP one which is the white one I have which it wasn't.

Anyway, the plan is to see if this silly sandwich of gaskets fits with enough threads to torque it down properly. If so I will use it. If not I am saying screw it and i bought some permatex copper spray and I will use one OEM gasket and spray. I wanted to have a thermal spacer as the idea is sound and I think they work but this has gotten out of hand.

In the meantime I am still going to have MAP check the mating surface on the manifold and if its not true as i suspect they will fix it.

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Geebus, so a spacer and 2 gaskets, that doesn't increasing the chance of a future boost leak.

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I'm not a fan of it either.

But I also am not a fan of using spray gasket stuff either.

At this point I feel committed to get this to work and MAP said the 2 oem gaskets and the thermal spacer has been proven so I will trust them.

Like I said, I have a back up plan for just returning to one OEm gasket and saying screw the thermal spacer.

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Agree. Rather than 2 surfaces to potentially leak, you now have 4.

Obviously hoping it all works out for you! Are the stock studs/bolts long enough?

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Dunno. MAP seems to think so. The plan is to test fit the sandwich and if its long enough with enough threads go with it. If not, screw the spacer and single OEM gasket time.

I hope it works too, just a dumb problem to have keeping me from driving the car. I need to tune the car too so this is holding that up too. Hell, it will be winter by the time its all wrapped up at this rate.

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