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mlomker 02-19-2010 10:31 AM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by slowbubblecar (Post 325583)
you will need the whole trubo setup off at the same time anyhow and it will save on having the car tuned again. Just my opionion though...

My understanding is that the exhaust mani would have to come off but that's it. The X turbo bolts to the back side of the motor so that can all stay in place. I guess I should double-check that.

I'm guessing once the stock mani is off the car that re-pulling the tubular later will be cake by comparison since the nuts won't be as bad. At least that was my experience with the downpipe.

I'll get Shane's opinion on it.

mlomker 02-19-2010 03:45 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
Shane got back to me with an estimate on my build and it'll be quite a bit cheaper to do it in one shot, due to rework. The price is affordable, so I'm totally stoked!

I'm going to do at least a partial install of the fuel system early next week. If I don't get it all the way in then I'll know exactly what needs to be done and I'll have DB finish the job.

slowbubblecar 02-19-2010 04:50 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
I knew it would be a bit cheaper to do in one shot. If the turbo setup is actually on the back side of the motor, I am sure it will save a lot of time.

mlomker 02-22-2010 11:11 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
I did some prep work on the car tonight--took out the back seat and front strut bar. I might be daring and try the fuel rail and filter in the parking ramp. The security guard has seen me under the hood a couple times and hasn't said anything. I wonder when that shoe will fall...

I decided to pull out the stock airbox and install the AMS intake. I screwed that up by overtightening the hose clamp around the filter and bending the aluminum pipe. I'll have to swing by Home Depot tomorrow to see if they have some kind of tool that'll push from the inside of the pipe and get it closer to round.

twack 02-22-2010 11:19 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
cant you just use pliers to bend it back

mlomker 02-22-2010 11:25 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by twack (Post 326206)
cant you just use pliers to bend it back

I did enough that it appears to be sealing. It just sucks to spend 3 bills on an intake and then scratch the piss out of it bending it back into shape. The good news is that it'll be covered by a filter anyway.

Murlo26 02-22-2010 11:33 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mlomker (Post 326210)
I did enough that it appears to be sealing. It just sucks to spend 3 bills on an intake and then scratch the piss out of it bending it back into shape. The good news is that it'll be covered by a filter anyway.

bummer:(

I know how you feel. I was scared last week when I switched out all my clamps on my IC piping to T-bolts and didn't want to overtighten them and bend the piping. I have seen a few threads of people bending their pipes so I didn't tighten them down super tight. And strangely on the way to MAP...bam UICP popped off, lol.

t-revzr 02-22-2010 11:49 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Murlo26 (Post 326211)
bummer:(

I know how you feel. I was scared last week when I switched out all my clamps on my IC piping to T-bolts and didn't want to overtighten them and bend the piping. I have seen a few threads of people bending their pipes so I didn't tighten them down super tight. And strangely on the way to MAP...bam UICP popped off, lol.

Ha Ha I hate when that happens!

mlomker 02-22-2010 11:49 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Murlo26 (Post 326211)
I was scared last week when I switched out all my clamps on my IC piping to T-bolts and didn't want to overtighten them and bend the piping.

My problem is that I tightened them using a screwdriver and I had the connection at the turbo pop off while I was working on the other end. That wouldn't do, so I took a 1/4" ratchet and gave each one a couple turns, which of course was too much. A fine line, for sure.

scheides 02-22-2010 11:52 PM

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With practice, you'll figure out what just the right amount of torque is on those little clamps to get them to seal but not leak. Or, if you have SS pipes (a lot of people do), you break the clamp trying to over-tighten it. Don't sweat it too much, happens to all of us.

mlomker 02-23-2010 12:05 AM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
I feel like I made some real progress today so no big deal. I hope tomorrow is as productive. :)

Matt D. 02-23-2010 08:13 AM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mlomker (Post 326205)
I decided to pull out the stock airbox and install the AMS intake. I screwed that up by overtightening the hose clamp around the filter and bending the aluminum pipe. I'll have to swing by Home Depot tomorrow to see if they have some kind of tool that'll push from the inside of the pipe and get it closer to round.

Lesson learned, the intake doesn't see any pressure so it doesn't need to be super tight, it just can't fall off. If you can wiggle it by hand and it stays together then it's good enough.

mlomker 02-23-2010 09:21 AM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt D. (Post 326247)
If you can wiggle it by hand and it stays together then it's good enough.

Good point. It looks great in the engine bay compared to stock--created all kinds of room for my catch cans, etc. I will have to get use to the sound, though!

Murlo26 02-23-2010 09:24 AM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mlomker (Post 326253)
Good point. It looks great in the engine bay compared to stock--created all kinds of room for my catch cans, etc. I will have to get use to the sound, though!

I love the sound:) I have heard with the upgraded turbo it is only going to get louder...so get ready.

Shane@DBPerformance 02-23-2010 12:09 PM

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Don't go crazy boosting the car with that AMS intake on it. They usually lean the Evo X out a lot.

Murlo26 02-23-2010 12:17 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ecoli (Post 326264)
Don't go crazy boosting the car with that AMS intake on it. They usually lean the Evo X out a lot.

If it leans the car out "a lot", I would've hated to see my car with stock intake on your dyno, lol.

I was still below 10's with the AMS intake.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...lo26/DAVE6.jpg

scheides 02-23-2010 12:24 PM

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^Yea, stock fueling is in the low 9's yo. Rich enough to make the car choke up top, remember the rom update mitsu released?

Murlo26 02-23-2010 12:25 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by scheides (Post 326270)
^Yea, stock fueling is in the low 9's yo. Rich enough to make the car choke up top, remember the rom update mitsu released?

Nope, but i remember the tune I went and got from Shane to make it not suck:)

mlomker 02-23-2010 12:28 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ecoli (Post 326264)
Don't go crazy boosting the car with that AMS intake on it. They usually lean the Evo X out a lot.

Yeah, I'll be short shifting from here on out. I tried to keep it below 3500rpm on the way to work.

Going to attempt a fuel rail install tonight and see if I can find a way to run a power cable from the pump to the engine compartment. Have to figure out how to pull up those trim pieces this afternoon.

I'm still waiting on a few pieces: vacuum fittings for the distribution block, a couple of those 'add a circuit' taps, and the rod bearings. I think I'll have to create a mounting plate for some of these electronics under the hood. I want to put that where the fuel filter is right now, which is why I want to swap out that and the rail tonight.

Shane@DBPerformance 02-23-2010 12:35 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
Did you do the fuel pump relay swap already, or does the double pumper bypass that?

Murlo26 02-23-2010 12:40 PM

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The factory relay still controls the main pump on the blaqops kit. Blaqop's provides another relay for the secondary pump. I swapped my relay last week:)

mlomker 02-23-2010 12:40 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ecoli (Post 326275)
Did you do the fuel pump relay swap already, or does the double pumper bypass that?

I do have the upgraded (green) relay already. The new setup will run the first pump off that relay and the second pump off of another relay/controller.

Murlo26 02-25-2010 12:45 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
well did you try the double pumper install? Have fun? :)

mlomker 02-25-2010 02:49 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Murlo26 (Post 326799)
well did you try the double pumper install? Have fun? :)

It was postponed until tonight. I'm confident that it won't be fun nor look pretty...I just hope I have everything that I need to make it functional.

mlomker 02-26-2010 02:48 AM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
Shawn (simulatedwood) is the man tonight! He allowed me to run over to his parent's place since they have a great heated garage with a lift.

We swapped out the fuel rail, underhood lines and filter in pretty good time. The Boomba rail has a fitting for a fuel pressure gauge and that came in super-handy as the night wore on.

There were a couple surprises with the BlaqOPs install. One was that you have to cut off the stock hoses from the hard lines under the car and add new ones. No big deal but it would have been handy if they were included or the procedure actually explained in the instructions. The second probably represented a few hours of troubleshooting--BlaqOPs reversed polarity when they wired my pumps. Took a little time to figure that one out since it's the last thing we had expected.

I took one photo of the sender transferred over to the Full Blown hanger. I'll take more pics tomorrow...at a civilized hour. lol

http://mlomker.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8...8d68927970b-pi

Murlo26 02-26-2010 09:19 AM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
^told you cutting the stock hose from the hard line sucked, I warned you! LOL.

So did you get it all in?

simulatedwood 02-26-2010 09:47 AM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
He did get it all in. The fuel pump is a work of art, but would have been nice if it was wired right. With with a little troubleshooting, it is all sorted out, and he is good to go.

Shawn

mlomker 02-26-2010 10:39 AM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Murlo26 (Post 326920)
^told you cutting the stock hose from the hard line sucked, I warned you!

It wasn't bad with a lift. ;) I imagine you just jacked it up...not quite as pleasant.

Did a new line come with your kit or did you buy some hose? Did you replace both pressure and return lines?

--
When I got home I had some rod bearings waiting for me. That means I can give Shane a call and ask when I can drop off the car. :1smiley.php:

Murlo26 02-26-2010 10:47 AM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mlomker (Post 326928)
It wasn't bad with a lift. ;) I imagine you just jacked it up...not quite as pleasant.

Did a new line come with your kit or did you buy some hose? Did you replace both pressure and return lines?

--
When I got home I had some rod bearings waiting for me. That means I can give Shane a call and ask when I can drop off the car. :1smiley.php:

Yea, that's why i had to go buy jackstands and a jack:) In the instructions he said you can do that from above, yea right.

It came with hose, i just replaced the pressure side, not return side.

mlomker 02-26-2010 11:42 AM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Murlo26 (Post 326930)
It came with hose, i just replaced the pressure side, not return side.

Ok, cool. Now that I think of it, the Full Blown kit did come with one piece of 30r9 but it looked like it was only a foot long. I'll have to check if that is long enough for one of the two connections. It might be...it's a short run.

mlomker 02-26-2010 02:59 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
Grabbed a couple 5/16ths hoses from O'Reilly's to replace the temporary lines that Shawn put in for me (3/8ths, it appears).

BlaqOPs told me that shrink-wrap is a no-no with E85 so I'll have to take a look to see if there is enough wire to re-do it with butt connectors.

I called Full Blown to ask them what the heck I do with the suction line at the bottom of the gas tank. There isn't really anything to connect it to on the FB hanger. I think there should be a fitting at the bottom of the cup so that the bottom of the pumps (which have socks on them) can 'suck' through that line from the other side of the tank.

At least that's what seems logical to me. Not that I know anything about fuel systems. lol.

simulatedwood 02-26-2010 04:14 PM

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[QUOTE=mlomker;326974]

BlaqOPs told me that shrink-wrap is a no-no with E85 so I'll have to take a look to see if there is enough wire to re-do it with butt connectors.

QUOTE]

Facepalm ! doah ! did not even think about it, when doing the wiring. There should be plenty of wire to redo it with butt connectors.


Sigh

mlomker 02-26-2010 04:24 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by simulatedwood (Post 326996)
Facepalm ! doah !

haha! The hard stuff with the fuel system is done. It's downhill from here.

mlomker 02-27-2010 01:22 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
My helmet came today. These are SO much better and cheaper than what we had 10 years ago (when I was riding bike). $230 for carbon fiber? Sweet!

http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos..._1851278_n.jpg

mlomker 02-27-2010 02:43 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
Here are some more details about the BlaqOPs double-pump install.

We grabbed the + feed from the main feed from the engine compartment to the fuse box (looks like an 8 gauge cable) and tapped into ignition on using one of those ATO add-a-circuits at fuse 13, which is for the cigarette lighter. These two wires run in plastic wire wrap from the fuse box to the glove box (if you look behind the radio from the glovebox you'll see a passage-way. I used an antenna that happened to be lying around to feed the wire across).

http://mlomker.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8...f44571b970c-pi

The ground for the BlaqBox was one of the brackets for the Sirius radio behind the glovebox.

http://mlomker.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8...f445704970c-pi

The BlaqBox (boost progressive controller) is Velcroed to the Sirius receiver behind the glovebox.

http://mlomker.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8...f4456f0970c-pi

Behind the passenger side front strut tower there is a plastic grommet that can be punched out to run wires through to behind the glovebox. I punched it out with a screwdriver and then ran a pick through the padding on the other side. Then from the inside I used a utility blade to cut a large enough hole in the padding to run the vacuum tubing through that hole. In an ideal world you'd use a grommet to protect this from chafing but I didn't.

http://mlomker.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8...f445715970c-pi

I ran the + wire for the secondary pump under the passenger-side door sills (they just pull off, super easy) to the fuel hanger.

http://mlomker.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8...f4456fc970c-pi

One of the more annoying parts of this install is going underneath the car and cutting the stock fuel hoses from the hard lines. We replaced both pressure and return lines with 30r9 5/16th hose.

mlomker 02-27-2010 02:48 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
Here's a pic of the Boomba fuel rail that we put in. I have yet to find a perfect fuel rail for the X. They are all annoying in some way. The AMS uses a -6an line instead of the stock quick disconnects. This Boomba rail doesn't have brackets for handling the return line (hence the zip ties).

http://mlomker.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8...f445709970c-pi

Murlo26 02-27-2010 02:49 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
But it looks blinging that's for sure:)

mlomker 02-27-2010 10:10 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
Went to Shawn's place again this afternoon. Got all of the 30r7 lines replaced with 30r9, we pulled the hanger and replaced the shrink wrap with butt connectors, Shawn installed the stereo controls on my steering wheel, and we fixed the sagging rubber piece on my front lip.

I'm very pleased about getting so much done with the car this week. Fantastic!

mlomker 02-28-2010 07:59 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
I handed the keys and a bunch of parts over to Shane @DB. Since I'm doing pistons there will be a lot of oil changes involved. lol. I'm not sure exactly when it'll see the dyno since I may have to put a few miles on the motor first.

C3L1CA 02-28-2010 10:32 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
You're car is in good hands, it'll be even better than before when you get it back.


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