MitsuStyle

MitsuStyle (http://www.mitsustyle.com/forums/index.php)
-   Project Talk (http://www.mitsustyle.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=5)
-   -   Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog (http://www.mitsustyle.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25695)

93gtpeater 06-24-2013 05:05 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Yes rkc still happening

Murlo26 06-24-2013 05:08 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 93gtpeater (Post 432089)
Yes rkc still happening

Time? I am 50/50 on it but leaning toward yes. so maybe 51/49 ;)

93gtpeater 06-24-2013 05:10 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
I will be there around 615.

Kracka 06-27-2013 01:31 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...93233355_n.jpg

Murlo26 06-27-2013 01:34 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Yep, buying those for the new build.

I also think I have decided on going ported OEM ported exhaust manifold again and a recirc downpipe probably to quiet it up again. If I am not going for stupid high power no sense in having all that lol.

I think I will probably go EF2.5 as well, rev to 8k on street (9k at track if needed) and shoot for 500whp. Then do a wally 255 with modded relief in the tank and go BAP if needed.

SO I will need a BUNCH of stuff to get the car to this but I am in no rush. I think the car will drive a whole lot easier, idle/drive better and be stock like spool. Should be interesting coming back down 250whp. Hopefully I don't get bored, if I do I sell it :)

Tachyon 06-27-2013 01:37 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Sounds like a solid plan. If you stir in turning the wheel along with 'only' 500 WHP, it's going to take a long time to get bored of the setup.

Totally give circuit racing a try when you're able. I think you will be very very pleased.

Murlo26 06-27-2013 01:39 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tachyon (Post 432266)
Sounds like a solid plan. If you stir in turning the wheel along with 'only' 500 WHP, it's going to take a long time to get bored of the setup.

Totally give circuit racing a try when you're able. I think you will be very very pleased.

I plan to for sure, I'd like to do more road course stuff, the X is made for that. But that is also expensive.

Future I am going to look at getting a 17" slick setup on my car. I just don't want to have to go through 1200+ dollar tires and brakes all the time doing road courses. But I for sure will do some HPDE stuff at some point.

Also want to focus on the "small" stuff I have neglected. Rotors, driveshaft and taking weight out.

I just love the "Ron Method of Attack" with his 9 RS. That thing can do it all, perfect evo there. I just wish the X weighed less. I have to learn to drive for that method though too :)

Kracka 06-27-2013 01:59 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Are you sticking to E85 or switching back to 93?

Murlo26 06-27-2013 02:01 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kracka (Post 432268)
Are you sticking to E85 or switching back to 93?

Corn. Safer on my compression.

Kracka 06-27-2013 02:01 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Murlo26 (Post 432264)
I also think I have decided on going ported OEM ported exhaust manifold again and a recirc downpipe probably to quiet it up again. If I am not going for stupid high power no sense in having all that lol.

You will appreciate both of these things. I experimented with a tubular last year but the ported cast just takes so much worry out of the equation (plus I picked up 10wtq while only losing 3whp while on the EF2).

Kracka 06-27-2013 02:03 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Murlo26 (Post 432269)
Corn. Safer on my compression.

Oh that's right, you already told me that...

I'm curious to see if a single Wally will be enough to supply an 2.2L w/EF2.5...I definitely have my doubts. I honestly don't think my fuel setup (Walbro 255HP w/ID1k injectors) would support my car on E85 unless the tune was purposely held back.

Murlo26 06-27-2013 02:05 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kracka (Post 432271)
Oh that's right, you already told me that...

I'm curious to see if a single Wally will be enough to supply an 2.2L w/EF2.5...I definitely have my doubts.

Future plans still include a surge tank, so I don't want a big ass 450 in there. PLus the 450 was causing some pretty high idle pressures hardwired. And with 2150's and high base pressure that sucks for idle!

I just want to simplify everything and hopefully get some more "proven" shit in there. A 255 to me is very proven. I think with an AFPR and my 6AN feed line and 1300's I will be close for the 2.5 on corn. We will see. If not, I will just run with 450whp and keep it all safe. Then get the surge tank with wally 450 in it like I had planned.

turbotalon1g 06-27-2013 02:05 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
lol, mentions track day and suddenly you need every mod under the sun to do it.

Just go drive the car first then figure it out, although with less power you will be less cool on the internet.....

Murlo26 06-27-2013 02:07 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by turbotalon1g (Post 432273)
lol, mentions track day and suddenly you need every mod under the sun to do it.

Just go drive the car first then figure it out, although with less power you will be less cool on the internet.....

I will need those mods as I am selling them all from my current setup lol.

I decided I would rather enjoy other aspects of life and have a savings account then try to be "cool" on the internet.

Too much monies to stay at high HP and realistically the Evo seems to be a much better all around car at the 450-500whp level. I just want to run 11's with the new setup and do it consistently. Maybe shoot for mid 11's. Then start trying to turn.

Tachyon 06-27-2013 02:08 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Murlo26 (Post 432267)
I just love the "Ron Method of Attack" with his 9 RS. That thing can do it all, perfect evo there.

I feel the same way.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kracka (Post 432271)
Oh that's right, you already told me that...

I honestly don't think my fuel setup (Walbro 255HP w/ID1k injectors) would support my car on E85 unless the tune was purposely held back.

Based on what I've experienced over the past 2 weeks with maxing out a single 255, I'd would agree.

turbotalon1g 06-27-2013 02:10 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Murlo26 (Post 432276)
I will need those mods as I am selling them all from my current setup lol.

I decided I would rather enjoy other aspects of life and have a savings account then try to be "cool" on the internet.

Too much monies to stay at high HP and realistically the Evo seems to be a much better all around car at the 450-500whp level. I just want to run 11's with the new setup and do it consistently. Maybe shoot for mid 11's. Then start trying to turn.

That sounds like a solid plan. :score010:

Let me know if/when you want a hand.
Plenty of X guys around here that turn to show you car specific stuff once you are ready.

Murlo26 06-27-2013 02:11 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tachyon (Post 432277)
I feel the same way.



Based on what I've experienced over the past 2 weeks with maxing out a single 255, I'd would agree.

If that is the case, maybe I will look at something else.

I was under the impression the wally 255 was good for 600whp or so (dynojet, not Shane DB dyno) on 93 and roughly 500whp e85.

Like I said I wouldn't mind stopping around 475whp or so if I need headroom. I could run higher base pressure too if need be as I am not planning to run 35psi or anything anyway.

I guess we will see.

Kracka 06-27-2013 02:14 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
We run a Full Blown 340lph in Andrew's IX and it supported his 2.3L EF3 on E85 (FIC1450's), and 2.3L EF4 on 93 (FIC1050's). No silly fuel mods besides pump & injectors. It has idled perfectly on both setups so I can only assume idle base fuel pressure has been fine. I'm not sure if you can even get that pump anymore, but there is always the Aeromotive 340 which is used quite a bit down here in Evos and GT-R's as a drop-in pump.

Murlo26 06-27-2013 02:18 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kracka (Post 432282)
We run a Full Blown 340lph in Andrew's IX and it supported his 2.3L EF3 on E85 (FIC1450's), and 2.3L EF4 on 93 (FIC1050's). No silly fuel mods besides pump & injectors. It has idled perfectly on both setups so I can only assume idle base fuel pressure has been fine. I'm not sure if you can even get that pump anymore, but there is always the Aeromotive 340 which is used quite a bit down here in Evos and GT-R's as a drop-in pump.

It looks like the new AEM 320 is the same size as the wally 255. And with the install kit is only 170. maybe I will try that.

I guess from several threads I have read, people say that most of these newer pumps don't really flow more than the 255 once it has the relief modded and punched down. That was why I was considering just using that.

Kracka 06-27-2013 02:19 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Yeah...but why eliminate a safety feature when you don't have to? That's just my 2-cents though, seems like plenty of people have punched it out.

93gtpeater 06-27-2013 02:45 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Murlo I know someone with a truck that will run you when you get your new setup. :lol:

turbotalon1g 06-27-2013 02:49 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
wally 400 not an option?

Kracka 06-27-2013 02:51 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by turbotalon1g (Post 432287)
wally 400 not an option?

Walbro 450 is the E85-compatible version of the Walbro 400.

Tachyon 06-27-2013 02:53 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Murlo26 (Post 432280)

I was under the impression the wally 255 was good for... roughly 500whp e85.

Guess what power level I was at when I ran out of pump on E85 :)

I just installed a Wally 400 E85 aka Walbro 416 aka Walbro 450 and fuel pressure issues have been resolved.

turbotalon1g 06-27-2013 02:57 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
You know what I meant. but won't that work?

Murlo26 06-27-2013 03:07 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by turbotalon1g (Post 432290)
You know what I meant. but won't that work?

That is currently what I have.

The problem is that just feels like overkill to me.

I think I will try the AEM 320 and see what that does. The wally 450 on my setup is doing 700+whp right now on e85 haha.

Kracka 06-27-2013 03:08 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by turbotalon1g (Post 432290)
You know what I meant. but won't that work?

Not if he wants his car to idle properly without modifying everything under the sun. Just look at how complicated Scheides' fuel setup has become trying to get his to idle at a proper AFR and fuel pressure.

Murlo26 06-27-2013 03:11 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kracka (Post 432293)
Not if he wants his car to idle properly without modifying everything under the sun. Just look at how complicated Scheides' fuel setup has become trying to get his to idle at a proper AFR and fuel pressure.

To be fair, mine idles pretty damn good now. yes it gets a consistent misfire (p0300, so who knows) at idle, basically just on startup or idle but otherwise the car is smooth.

I guess the reason for not going big is two fold:

- Save money
- keep base pressure low and make tuning easier

turbotalon1g 06-27-2013 03:16 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
I don't care enough to look. I didn't realize the pump would lead to idle issues.

Anywho, I came in to ask are you gonna race on big power before you de-mod and then wonder what the car would of/could of done?

Murlo26 06-27-2013 03:22 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by turbotalon1g (Post 432295)
I don't care enough to look. I didn't realize the pump would lead to idle issues.

Anywho, I came in to ask are you gonna race on big power before you de-mod and then wonder what the car would of/could of done?

Nah, not even going to try honestly.

Actually I forgot about several things this weekend so I can't even do the amery run now :(

All I am going to do is hit up MAP next friday and get real dyno numbers and then I can use ricer math to figure out what could've been.

turbotalon1g 06-27-2013 03:43 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Just an FYI your ricer math =



https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/i...WoRZCY5TP45h5g

Murlo26 06-27-2013 04:13 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Come on dude, at work, no poo pics.

A//// Guy 06-27-2013 04:44 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Not just the math, the logic on saving money by buying all new parts again is about what brownman posted. lol Do not understand.

Murlo26 06-27-2013 04:47 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by A//// Guy (Post 432303)
Not just the math, the logic on saving money by buying all new parts again is about what brownman posted. lol Do not understand.

I sell parts, pay off debt, take off insurance let evo sit for undetermined amount of time. New parts cost less than old parts and car is at a reasonable level.

I never said I was planning to sell shit then rebuy stuff right away. I am going to space it out some. I already have a stock turbo/manifold that someone is giving to me for free, instant savings.

Guess I didn't think it was complicated or maybe I didn't reveal the whole thing.

Bottom line is I need money now as I have overspent being stupid make 750whp evo. So it was sell the car or de-mod it some, I am choosing to demod.

I will get we will say 6k or so from selling stuff, it will not take me anywhere near 6k to put the items I was talking back on, maybe 3k.

= money back

Make sense?

quick breakdown:

sell turbo kit ~5k
Sold fuel setup (injectors/pump/hardwire kit) ~1k

New stock turbo - free
new stock mani - free
new downpipe - 350
new UICP - 250
new intake - 300
upgrade to 2.5 - 800 (no idea really, waiting to hear back)
some porting and coatings - 300
new injectors - 600
new fuel pump - 200

so 2800? Rough ballparking everything....

And like I said, I save 100/mo with no insurance and not driving it saves more too.

Obviously I am losing some money here, but penalty for going balls out, trying to rectify it.

I had other plans to take care of all this before deciding to sell, but they have since stalled as I am stuck with 2 mortgages on my record and can't refinance right now which is screwing me some.

I figured most of you guys would think this was smart, maybe I missed something lol. Seems like no matter what I post I get some form of crap (part of the game when I change my mind every week I suppose :)). Maybe it was just me not fully conveying my plans though. dunno.

Kracka 06-28-2013 07:40 AM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
I get what you're saying, and considering it's either this or sell the car I think you are making the right decision. Honestly, I think you'll have a lot more fun [even with less bragging rights] being able to just drive your car and not have to constantly worry about it breaking or figuring out tuning issues.

simulatedwood 06-28-2013 09:27 AM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Dave,
I like were this plan is going, it means I may see you more often because you are actually driving the car and having a good time.

Knoxville 06-28-2013 09:41 AM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Murlo26 (Post 432304)
Seems like no matter what I post I get some form of crap

Haters gonna hate, Ponies gonna pwn

Murlo26 07-03-2013 10:20 AM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Looking forward to this! Tephra is getting close to release v2 for Tephra mods which will have 9 Alt MAPs, basically one tied to each 1000rpm on the tach and you cycle through the 1-9 to switch maps.

Then he just posted this today:)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tephra
I haz cheapish e85 sensor coming, when I get back from the states I will do v3 which will be flex patch..


Can't wait to have a tune that can run on any E content, awesome. Didn't feel like making a whole new thread haha. I plan to get this right when he releases it.

Kracka 07-03-2013 10:35 AM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
The flex patch will be really cool! The 8/9 guys have had that for a while now. Considering the X is on it's 7th model year and V2 still isn't out yet I wouldn't hold your breath for V3 anytime soon though.

goodhart 07-03-2013 10:53 AM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Flex patch? I haven't kept up with evo stuff since selling mine, what is this?


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:46 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.