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niterydr 05-26-2015 06:49 PM

Re: Project Black ValentNine AKA DSM9.0
 
Honestly I'd replace all pistons and have rods checked, at a minimum #3 and #2.

scheides 05-26-2015 07:08 PM

Re: Project Black ValentNine AKA DSM9.0
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by niterydr (Post 455712)
Curious to what speeds you are seeing at DCTC, "back straight" for my ninja is around 95-102 most of the time, front straight is 70-85; with a bit left on the table in both scenarios. Corner speeds are pretty decent, but I have a long way to go!

By 'front straight' do you mean the straight right in front of the paddock? If so, second into third gear, probably 70mph?

'Back straight' is the part with the stop lights dangling from above? We usually setup that section with a slalom. There's another straight coming off of the east most carousel headed over to tht section that I've hit 4th gear in so probably 90?

turbotalon1g 05-26-2015 07:38 PM

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Can't wait for the rebuild, you sir, know how to do a comeback.

Good luck.

cmspaz 05-27-2015 10:54 AM

Re: Project Black ValentNine AKA DSM9.0
 
I know I've hit 90 on the back straight. Front in my experience has been around 70.

Kracka 05-27-2015 12:11 PM

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Told you not to race a car that's for sale ;)

A//// Guy 05-27-2015 12:26 PM

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lol!! dsm9.0's name rings true. Sucks to hear scheides, hopefully can get it back up and running at a minimal cost!

Mark Leasure 05-27-2015 04:55 PM

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Sorry to hear. Looks to me like a set of shelf stock HD2's, rod bearings, and a fresh set of valves. If the cylinder walls look good, you could do it like drop ins.

cmspaz 05-28-2015 10:06 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kracka (Post 455743)
Told you not to race a car that's for sale ;)

We wasn't racing doe.

Kracka 05-28-2015 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by cmspaz (Post 455762)
We wasn't racing doe.

Oh right, "driver education event" ;)

Murlo26 05-28-2015 02:53 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kracka (Post 455765)
Oh right, "driver education event" ;)

If you time it, it's racing...sorry, you guys are silly not calling this racing, let's be honest here.

Kracka 05-28-2015 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Murlo26 (Post 455766)
If you time it, it's racing...sorry, you guys are silly not calling this racing, let's be honest here.

Agreed 100%. It's a timed, closed course, event. It may not be wheel-to-wheel, but it's just as much racing as any other dragstrip, autocross, or HPDE.

tehehodi 05-28-2015 03:18 PM

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Do you guys utilize transponders or just stop watches? If you use transponders, then i would think it's timed.

Spaz is the only one racing out there with all those numbers and graphics like a ricer LOL

Murlo26 05-28-2015 03:24 PM

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:guns:

cmspaz 05-28-2015 04:59 PM

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Everyone knows I'm a ricer attention whore. :lol:

There was no record kept of times at the autox/speed stop. They were intended for personal/instructor use to gauge improvement. If you want to argue racing, the only racing anyone was doing was against themself.

A//// Guy 05-28-2015 05:35 PM

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lolz. Scheides did not win that race.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...2e0948cf85.jpg

turbotalon1g 05-28-2015 05:36 PM

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http://www.dmn3.com/hs-fs/hub/244478...5132393261.png

scheides 05-28-2015 06:54 PM

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Racing, practice, whatever. I paid cash for the car and have good health insurance :)

More appropriate update:

Head is salvagable! Not only that but it'll be cheap to fix! $725 max. The machine shop said that they might have some used valves they can use from doing upgrades in the past OR they could just do +1mm valves in the car. I opted to KISS on this one since it's an IX and there's a lot more that can be done to add power before I start throwing extra money into headwork. Should be done mid next week.

Now I just need to grow a set of balls and figure out how to successfully replace the piston in cyl3....it really needs to go.

Speedfreak 05-28-2015 07:26 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by niterydr (Post 455713)
Honestly I'd replace all pistons and have rods checked, at a minimum #3 and #2.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Leasure (Post 455746)
Sorry to hear. Looks to me like a set of shelf stock HD2's, rod bearings, and a fresh set of valves. If the cylinder walls look good, you could do it like drop ins.

Quote:

Originally Posted by scheides (Post 455777)
Racing, practice, whatever. I paid cash for the car and have good health insurance :)

More appropriate update:

Head is salvagable! Not only that but it'll be cheap to fix! $725 max. The machine shop said that they might have some used valves they can use from doing upgrades in the past OR they could just do +1mm valves in the car. I opted to KISS on this one since it's an IX and there's a lot more that can be done to add power before I start throwing extra money into headwork. Should be done mid next week.

Now I just need to grow a set of balls and figure out how to successfully replace the piston in cyl3....it really needs to go.

You checking/changing the bearings? I would. Also would replace all pistons and check rods as quoted above. Specially if selling the car.

scheides 05-28-2015 11:08 PM

Re: Project Black ValentNine AKA DSM9.0
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Leasure (Post 455746)
Sorry to hear. Looks to me like a set of shelf stock HD2's, rod bearings, and a fresh set of valves. If the cylinder walls look good, you could do it like drop ins.

1400HD's actually :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speedfreak (Post 455778)
You checking/changing the bearings? I would. Also would replace all pistons and check rods as quoted above. Specially if selling the car.

Not 100% sure yet, never done this part before; still working through the details. For sure replacing piston in #3, gotta pull it apart a little more and see what I see.

sleepydsm 05-30-2015 12:59 AM

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I've done the single piston replacement in car, it was a breeze. Car worked fine after the fact.

MorningWood 05-30-2015 01:22 AM

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If you need some help let me know. My schedule is a bitch to work around, but I'm sure we could find a day that I could help you put the shortblock back together. This is Troy in case you didn't know :P

cmspaz 06-02-2015 11:30 AM

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As always, keep me in the loop on when you're in the garage. Always willing to help!

scheides 06-03-2015 10:20 AM

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I appreciate all the offers for help from everyone! Love you guys you rock!!!

So check this out:
http://www.scheides.com/albums/evo9/IMG_1853.sized.jpg

See where all that piston damage really came from? Stupid valve guide breaking...gah. I don't blame it though :D

http://www.scheides.com/albums/evo9/IMG_1854.sized.jpg

16 new valves, 10 new valve guides, 16 new valve seals, a valve job and decking later:
http://www.scheides.com/albums/evo9/IMG_1856.sized.jpg

http://www.scheides.com/albums/evo9/IMG_1858.sized.jpg

One has a little bit of damage left but should be good to go.


http://www.scheides.com/albums/evo9/IMG_1859.sized.jpg

One piston w/ rings is on order....

Goat Blower 06-03-2015 11:13 AM

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I too have had no problems replacing one piston. The engine doesn't care if the alloy is newer in one cylinder than the rest. :D

Like others have said though, I'd definitely replace all bearings and freshen everything else up.

Murlo26 06-03-2015 11:18 AM

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Maybe I am paranoid but I guess I would do a small overbore and go bigger pistons on something like this. I am no engine builder though, I just know how to wreck them.

C3L1CA 06-03-2015 12:08 PM

Re: Project Black ValentNine AKA DSM9.0
 
Will that damage spots on the head cause any issues? Like get extra hot or anything in that area?

niterydr 06-03-2015 07:25 PM

Re: Project Black ValentNine AKA DSM9.0
 
Gl on the rebuild. Ensure you check the rod on cylinder #3 as well to make sure length is correct and the bearing isn't damaged. I would probably just replace bearings in the lower end at a minimum but I can't bring myself to do anything but a full rebuild on anything.

Oh and straight definitions are the same. I forget they put a slalom in the rear one.

scheides 07-07-2015 10:31 AM

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Ok time for a quick update. I developed a good case of the 'fukits' a few weeks ago, here's whats been going on:

First off, acquired new piston. Yummy!

http://www.scheides.com/albums/evo9/IMG_1876.sized.jpg

http://www.scheides.com/albums/evo9/IMG_1877.sized.jpg

http://www.scheides.com/albums/evo9/IMG_1878.sized.jpg

Head was already off, pulled exhaust entirely off (easiest way), starter, and oil pan off so I'd be all set for help:
http://www.scheides.com/albums/evo9/IMG_1928.sized.jpg

I had several offers for help swapping the piston from everyone from TKRMark, Ron@RS, etc but Troy basically showed up at my door one saturday at just the right time, in the midst of my dog being in the puppy ER and other general life madness.....and we just busted it out.
http://www.scheides.com/albums/evo9/IMG_1975.sized.jpg

http://www.scheides.com/albums/evo9/IMG_1976.sized.jpg

http://www.scheides.com/albums/evo9/IMG_1978.sized.jpg

http://www.scheides.com/albums/evo9/IMG_1979.sized.jpg

http://www.scheides.com/albums/evo9/IMG_1980.sized.jpg

http://www.scheides.com/albums/evo9/IMG_1982.sized.jpg

I learned how to use a stretch gauge! Awesome sauce.
http://www.scheides.com/albums/evo9/IMG_1984.sized.jpg

I spent a bunch of time with some 600-grit sandpaper and my fingers sanding down the surfaces of the other pistons to take down any sharp edges caused by kamikaze valves. It turned out 100x nicer than I could have hoped.
http://www.scheides.com/albums/evo9/IMG_1986.sized.jpg

THANKS AGAIN TROY!!! You are awesome, I appreciate the help and you taking the time to teach me the right way to do this!


Deck all cleaned and prep'd. Yummy!
http://www.scheides.com/albums/evo9/IMG_1991.sized.jpg

I didn't know it but this was the beginning of thrash week before MAP Proving Grounds. Starting that Saturday I worked in my or someone else's garage on my or other cars for literally 5 days straight (plus worked a full work week 8-6 each day).

Honestly its been a while since I had a thrash session like this in my garage and it was incredibly fun! Shawn C, Dustin, Spaz, James, Matt D, Alex (neighbor across the alley), TKR Mark, Aly, their twins, my 7-year old neighbor Elliot...we all seriously threw down for a few days to get ready for racing. Literally any spare moment we had, was in the garage until 2am many nights.

Awesome sauce!
http://www.scheides.com/albums/evo9/IMG_2025.sized.jpg

http://www.scheides.com/albums/evo9/IMG_2027.sized.jpg

http://www.scheides.com/albums/evo9/IMG_2032.sized.jpg


So about Tuesday I developed a serious serious serious case of the fuckits with this car. It was ready to start Sunday night and I spent all Monday night trying to figure out why the goddamn thing wouldn't start. Compression test on my janky POS tester was 0-0-0-0, timing was perfect, I was troubleshooting wiring, alignment of cam sensor plates, crank sensor plates, etc etc etc and by the time Tuesday rolled around I grabbed a beer, sat down, and dedicated my time to plan B for the racing weekend...more on that in another thread. :)

http://www.scheides.com/albums/evo9/IMG_2033.sized.jpg


Raceaflais (the greek god of racing chaos) had us firmly by the balls at this point so we buttoned up as much as we could by Thursday night and headed off to the track Friday morning.

http://www.nsxfiles.com/cast_of_characters.htm


.....fast forward to this weekend, 4th of July. I had a few weekends of racing behind me, caught up on a ton of house projects (and some sleep), and finally opened the hood on this thing again. Here's what I found:

Notice anything goofy about the cam lobes in this pic? I did replace the exhaust cam but didn't touch the intake cam other than R&R it.
http://www.scheides.com/albums/evo9/IMG_2251.sized.jpg

Look again, notice anything goofy?
http://www.scheides.com/albums/evo9/IMG_2252.sized.jpg

The timing is set correctly, but the lobes on both cams are pointing the same direction! So I'm guessing either the alignment dowel snapped or something else happened but either way this shit is way borked.

This got mangled when it needed to be disassembled to clean out the gunk from the first build. Can't even get it off now.
http://www.scheides.com/albums/evo9/IMG_2257.sized.jpg

See the alignment dowel pin? it should be facing the same way as the white mark on the cam gear but the cam is pointed all derpified.

I have another IX cam on the workbench already, just decided to order a new cam gear, seal, and bolt and trash all of this.

http://www.scheides.com/albums/evo9/IMG_2258.sized.jpg

And last night, while I'm waiting for the parts to come in, I have decided that this car will no longer see the track...street duty only for this beast for a while. Don't worry I will put these parts elsewhere..... :)
http://www.scheides.com/albums/evo9/IMG_2262.sized.jpg

TkrPerformance 07-07-2015 05:15 PM

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Get it fixed and sold

A//// Guy 07-07-2015 05:23 PM

Re: Project Black ValentNine AKA DSM9.0
 
^ What Mark said haha. Dang dsms! Good work though!

Kracka 07-08-2015 07:53 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by A//// Guy (Post 456787)
Dang dsms!

Don't let Curt hear that.

1ViciousGSX 07-08-2015 08:48 AM

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Damn, that's a string of bad luck right there. :frown:


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