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Really?

The 6466 is actually more than both those by double? Or do you mean a lot of people are selling them used for cheap or something? Just confused how the other turbos can be so much cheaper? I am guessing they are all about the same cost to produce.

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on pte's website a 6466 is 1909.99, a 6766 is 1199.99 and a 6266 is 999.99 so the 6466 is just normally quite a bit more

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There's a guy named Troy on evomn (and here) that had a 6266 fail, when it came back it was a 6466. The car made like 40whp more and spooled about 200rpm later. Pretty sweet :)

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i like the 6466 idea lol

although your ef4 is probably pretty nasty

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Same boost levels?

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That's wierd...

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2 of them actually. One lasted about 5 minutes of idling, the other about 500 miles of break in and >10 psi.


http://www.evomn.net/forums/showthre...466-comparison

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Me and Josh are both making good power on the 6466's. My car still had a stock intake manifold, throttle body, and no porting on the head, it made 709whp at 38psi on RS's Mustang Dyno. Josh Made over 700 on Buschur's Mustang Dyno.

The reason the 6466's cost so much more is they only come in Ball Bearing, you can get the 62 and 67 in Journal Bearings hence the lower price on the site, when you get up to the Ball Bearing option for those turbo's they close in on price with the 64.

My 64 actually spooled the same as my 62 did, at 35psi it didnt really make much more power. but the 6266 quit making power on my set up at that level (615whp on Ron's Dyno) the 6466 started picking up good power around there so it must have been right in its efficiency range, I ended up being able to make 665whp with 39psi, then it slowed down on making power until I went from kelford 272's to GSC s3's where it made 709whp at 38psi

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My car is at DB getting the fuel system changed some and setup on E98 so we'll see what kind of power it will make all in. Though my stock ported TB and IM will probably turn into a restriction, maybe the M2 cams too, but, none of that is going to get changed.

The 711 at buschur/773 at MAP my car made was done with a tune setup for E70(that was 5 months old at the tme) too.

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Vassil made 745 on a DSM at DB at 35psi, that is why I ask and there are a few DSMs in that 700-750 range without going over 40psi.

That is the only reason I say that, I have heard that the 6466 and 6766 spool damn near the 6266 in a lot of cases though.

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Sorry to get off the whole 6466 topic ;) Maybe I should've made its own thread, didn't think it would generate enough talk.

Anyway, new parts! Trying to solve my whole crank case pressure deal, this should do it. At the track my oil cap came off, not sure if its from the fact it might be a shitty design or just crank case pressure pushing it off, so I didn't want to risk it and bought these. New oil cap (lost mine) and new catch can with 10AN lines and light weight matching bracket on the other side of the bumper.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...ps54fd1a14.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...psfe898785.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...psae960675.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...ps65d4a750.jpg

Here is an example of it installed:

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...psb07fe459.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...ps0d1fdf67.jpg

I'll take more pictures this spring when I put it in with my new fuel rail and new injectors.

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If a DSM cap is the same style and fits on your car, you are welcome to try my -10AN oil cap.

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I don't think I'd need that. I assume that is to connect to a catch can? My valve cover has 2 ports already.

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What's that 2nd bracket for?

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Looks like it actually replaces the mount for the front crash beam. No wonder it's so beefy :)

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I'll show pictures later, the second bracket is the mirror image, just not a catch can on the other side, weight savings basically.

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Yes it would need to be connected to some kind of catch can, well I'm getting rid of it and I didn't know if you wanted more ports.

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http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...ps97bbd963.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...psc105ecab.jpg

Here are a few more pics, its part of the front crash beam like Scheides said I believe.

Yea I don't think I will need any more ports, thanks though man :)

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So are there any provisions for providing vacuum to the oil can?

Also how on earth is that 'easy access' for draining? I guess if you have no undertray?

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No provisions for vacuum on this. And its just as easy/hard as my current catch can setup, which sucks to drain lol. My current one I have to basically take my bumper off to do. This I think you can pull the undertray and drain, maybe 20 mins of dinking around, not so bad.

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Kinda worthless (like most catch-can setups out there) w/o a vacuum source IMHO. Catch-cans generally cause more problems than they solve since most people don't set them up correctly. Having vacuum evacuate the crankcase vapors is much more effective than using the pistons to pump it out. At least this one has large enough lines to not cause additional back pressure. What does it have in the way of internal baffling/packing?

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Well my current setup has just one line that is constantly kinked going to my catch can and then to atmosphere. My current one is worthless for sure.

This one doesn't have vacuum and Kozmic designed it and tested in on the dyno and track and said it works great. MAP also said they have installed several and all have had great results.

It's internally a box more or less, no baffling I don't think.

I simply went off recommendations from MAP and several others with big HP builds and all have said it works well.

MAP had hypothesized that my head started leaking previously due to an insufficient catch can setup and said this one should solve my issues.

I agree, having vacuum works very well as you basically suction out all the crap but I think this one will work. Kozmic saw like 10-15whp gains from this on his car that he said is from reduced crank case pressure.

Dunno.

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Except there is no engine vacuum when you're under boost.

Dave, even an OEM setup utilizes a basic positive pressure tube to relieve engine blowby when above atmospheric pressure is achieved. If you have more blow-by than that system was designed for, you can lose power.

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Suction from the intake pipe. It's not much vacuum unless you have an undersized or clogged air filter, but it's better than forcing it into the atmosphere.

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New gauge pod so I am not blocking my tach/speedo half way now :) Plus room for an oil pressure one now too.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...ps5d555907.jpg

It will look like this installed in case you are wondering.

http://www.amsperformance.com/cart/i...auge_pod_1.jpg

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Instead you just can't see out the windshield now :P

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Exactly what I was thinking.

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And strangely exactly what I thought too which is why I never bought it until now.

But I spoke to several trusted people online who have it and AMS and all said if you aren't short you are alright. I think they said as long as you are like 5'8" you "should" be alright. I am 6'2" so I should be alright.

I will obviously test fit before I move my gauges, but I think its a great piece and will look way better than my cheap bolt on to the steering column solution.

Here is Hollywood's X with the pod installed, not sure this video shows much for camera angles but he said he has zero issues seeing over it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UZHRdq_PIY&hd=1

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Chkmgnt had that on his car and it looked very out of place/stuck on, didn't blend at all with the interior dash lines. Rmondoh bought an A-pillar pod that is a complete replacement for the panel and it looks pretty decent.

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I don't like the apillar one because the a pillars, in my mind, already block a huge chunk of vision on the X. I didn't want to make that any worse.

If I don't end up liking this my next option is to get some custom dash work done.

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Gauges? We don't need no stinking gauges!..

There really isn't a great solution, if you want these right in front of you. If this is purely a reference thing, a nice tri- panel setup custom cut out of carbon fiber sheet in the lower center console right below the HVAC controls would be a very nice compromise. Or if going for the sleeper look, the glove box is always a good way to go.

Hopefully these are good suggestions.

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I want them all right in front of me for when I am tuning, driving or whatever. I don't so much need my boost gauge, its an ok thing to see there in case I am going WAY over, but I for sure want my wideband there, right in front of my face.

I already have a bunch of things i need to look for, knock light, rpm, speed, boost etc...I don't want them down in the hvac area as they aren't right in my line of sight.

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What you need is a heads-up display with some logic behind it that pops up any sensors that are outside your programmed acceptable ranges.

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That is something I am considering, but not quite that advanced haha.

Here is the next thing I want to do.

http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69289

Then take out my rockford head unit and make a custom mount for this. Then get music on this somehow as its a tablet and it will have all my gauges etc on there and hopefully you can set that up to blink or go nuts if it goes out of range. Then I could ECUflash right there too, streamlined.

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How do you find time to drive while looking at all that stuff? I had a triple pod in my IX, but I can tell you the only time I ever looked at any of it was cruising down the highway or sitting at a stoplight.

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On my old 1G I just used a Knock Box, which showed the current knock sum in LED. I only used a boost gauge when something didn't "feel right" aka probably a boost leak or some turbo system part failure.

If is pretty easy and cheap to setup an LED that warns of low oil pressure. On dry sump Evos we set it up so that we also require oil pressure for the car to be running, if oil pressure is lost then the ECU shuts the engine down. It takes a little extra cranking for the car to start, because it waits for oil pressure, we also have bypass buttons though. The main reason we do it on dry sump cars is in case the belt that runs the oil pump breaks or comes off.

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^Smart, I like that idea.

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well part of it is I am always always changing my tune etc dialing it in. I spent almost all of last year dialing it in.

I am paranoid now as I have had plenty of issues and if something is feeling right like shane said I watch gauges to help figure it out initially then start logging or wrenching.

I do however, watch AFR and boost at the beginning of my pull to make sure fuel starts coming in right and it goes rich. After about 4500-5000rpms I am just quick glancing at knock CEL and RPM for shifting.

I do that on every pull, I guess I am paranoid but with fueling issues and all sorts of shit possible I still don't feel 100% confident in my car, mostly hardware wise or all hardware wise to just slam on it and hope for the best.

I have caught plenty of issues this way by watching everything.

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Sounds like a PITA that takes all the enjoyment out of driving.

I dealt with exactly this on my IX, with constant logging/tuning, grew sick of the car, and sold it. Smart decision and I haven't looked back. If you can't trust something and truly enjoy it, why bother owning it?

With my X I made sure to go the exact opposite way and never have to worry about it so I can focus on having fun and enjoying my car. I have no gauges and my car has remained reliable. I drive it every day and never worry about my fuel, tune, boost, etc. Hell, I've never once even logged my car with the AP. I couldn't tell you what my boost is at on any given day, nor do I care :)

Different strokes for different folks, I just hope with your next car (or even this one), you can learn from previous mistakes and figure out a way to avoid history from repeating itself.

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I think if you want a reliable car that makes almost triple stock power you are stuck with this type of caution. It does suck and I don't love worrying about it all the time. I am getting better at knowing the setup and when there is something wrong, I can usually feel it now without having to log or whatever but I still do it to feel better.

Why do you think I wanted to sell it last summer and buy a vette? I still do want a c6z right now but frankly I will mod that too much too probably. My big thing is I feel so invested into this car and can't see myself losing SO MUCH money by selling. I'd rather get smarter about keeping it running right and make sure to do everything necessary and just have fun with it.

It works well now and I am just doing little things for the most part now. It's still a lot of fun :)