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b00sted_spyder 06-12-2014 11:51 PM

Re: 95 Talon TSi AWD
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DSMINMN (Post 445806)
I've been doing some thinking lately and have run into a minor problem. Air flow Dodge ifferent coolers/devices. The intercooler up front won't be a big deal, the ducting for my air filter will be fine (passenger side inlet) but what about that transmission cooler. There's no way it'll sit in the factory location. Maybe if I turn it to an angle but then what good is that.

My idea for a solution: Chrysler, as terrible as they were with transmissions made a helluva cooling setup on the automatic Cummins trucks. The cooling went as follows: trans. out/hot, heat exchanger (fluid to water/coolant cooler), to front air cooler then finally back to the trans. in/cool.

What does everyone think of this idea? Using the coolant as a source of cooling for the transmission fluid rather than an air cooler?

Did you replace the cooler lines? I remember you saying you were going to with AN fittings and ss lines. Dodge diesels have a one way check valve in the cooler system. Hopefully you didn't ruin that because that can definitely cause a transmission failure. We'll if you need a help, Paul at Proven Force knows a ton about dodge diesel transmission. He rebuilds tons of them.

DSMINMN 06-13-2014 10:13 AM

Re: 95 Talon TSi AWD
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by b00sted_spyder (Post 445905)
Did you replace the cooler lines? I remember you saying you were going to with AN fittings and ss lines. Dodge diesels have a one way check valve in the cooler system. Hopefully you didn't ruin that because that can definitely cause a transmission failure. We'll if you need a help, Paul at Proven Force knows a ton about dodge diesel transmission. He rebuilds tons of them.

You are behind my friend! All of the lines got replaced. If it were there from the factory it is now GONE. The check valve is part of one of the cooler lines. It is near the front air cooler where the hard steel line changes to rubber. As I said, all this went bye-bye.

The truck has also been picked up two Sundays ago I believe to be fixed. I don't have the time nor do I have the patients to fix it. Besides the lack of tools, help and money; most important.

DSMINMN 07-19-2014 09:55 AM

Re: 95 Talon TSi AWD
 
Well, this is really all I have for you guys. Work hasn't been hella' busy but I have been with other stupid things. Working on other people's cars, wasting money on fixing my Colt. lol Stupid stuff.

Got everything cleared for the MAP FMIC.

http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/r...psc5ff6e53.jpg


I have an idea of how I am going to get this turbo onto this manifold.

http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/r...ps21662391.jpg


Now, if only I could get this damn thing to cooperate!

http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/r...ps59586511.jpg

bigboostingst 07-19-2014 10:49 AM

Re: 95 Talon TSi AWD
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DSMINMN (Post 447371)
Now, if only I could get this damn thing to cooperate!

http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/r...ps59586511.jpg

Clamp a large vice grip onto it and slowly tighten the grip. That's what I've always had luck doing anyways.

DSMINMN 07-20-2014 08:59 PM

Re: 95 Talon TSi AWD
 
So since you guys don't like my idea of using a heat exchanger, what are your opinions? Or alternate options.

DSMINMN 07-22-2014 08:51 PM

Re: 95 Talon TSi AWD
 
I finally took two hours off of work and picked up a engine lift. In a few I will be putting the engine on my stand and start the fun. If you can even call it that. lol

I just thought I'd snap a picture of the flex plate now that it's fully off of the engine. Nasty looking. It 110% explains the sound the car had.

http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/r...ps6dcdf11d.jpg

DSMINMN 11-30-2014 02:56 PM

Re: 95 Talon TSi AWD
 
I'm bored so why not let the cat outta' the bag.

2.3L, Big-Borg., 2150s...the things.

http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/r...ps72e20560.jpg

$40 head that has yet to be touched.

http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/r...pse3a0e7a6.jpg

This'll be fun.

DSMINMN 11-30-2014 02:59 PM

Re: 95 Talon TSi AWD
 
Forgot my newest "toy".

http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/r...ps43b00a4f.jpg

DSMINMN 12-05-2014 07:32 PM

Re: 95 Talon TSi AWD
 
Oliver Billet Extremes and Wiseco HDs ordered. They should be there by the time I get back from PRI. So much goodness coming out of this December. I don't know what I'm going to do with myself.

goodhart 12-09-2014 02:18 AM

Re: 95 Talon TSi AWD
 
Damn. Gonna be a hell of a build.

DSMINMN 12-09-2014 06:44 PM

Re: 95 Talon TSi AWD
 
I got teased today while at the AETC conference here in Indy. Can't wait to get back and make shit happen.

http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/r...pse8543218.jpg

DSMINMN 01-08-2015 08:49 PM

Re: 95 Talon TSi AWD
 
Pictures are kinda' isht. Didn't realize my phone was focusing on the background so I tried fixing it. Anyway..parts are here. I'm just waiting to get back to school next week and start doing some work! Gotta' order the rest of the junk too. Yikes..


http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/r...ps464c72e4.jpg


http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/r...ps200bf676.jpg


I've also been trying my hand at this wire tucking business. I think I've kind of tackled this backwards though. Oh well.. Now if I could just find my damn soldering iron!


http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/r...ps84d20b43.jpg


That's all the updating I have for now. Thanks for looking!

DSMINMN 02-03-2015 09:08 PM

Re: 95 Talon TSi AWD
 
http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/r...ps8700d7c5.jpg

DSMINMN 02-04-2015 08:31 PM

Re: 95 Talon TSi AWD
 
I decided to bring everything into school today so the ball will be rolling, finally!

http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/r...ps73c0eac2.jpg

DSMINMN 02-19-2015 12:43 AM

Re: 95 Talon TSi AWD
 
The crank I had was showing some signs of oxidation and had a gouge on the front main seal journal. Rather than waste more money, play the guessing game and whatever else, I just did what had to be done.

http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/r...ps7af18550.jpg

Rough stroker clearance.

http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/r...ps897a858c.jpg

http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/r...psee8d9a05.jpg

Still have to get the oil passages done up like my GS-Ts block.

http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/r...ps98cd86b0.jpg

DSMINMN 03-08-2015 03:15 PM

Re: 95 Talon TSi AWD
 
Ran into a little issue with the Evo.III block. This pretty much explains it all.

http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/r...pspdyirf24.jpg

It's my fault for not spinning the block around on the align hone. Here's a question to machining minded people: what is the best way you've found to take down all the caps on the girdle? How about the block? I've been using a 12" file for the block and our flat sanding block for the girdle. The flat sanding block is so damn short though that it gives me about an inch to move it back and forth. Not to mention I don't have a long enough piece of sand paper to fit under all of the caps.

I'm very close to grabbing a spare block of mine and starting over. Just seems unfortunate to jump ship with the E.3 block being its such a better casting and has oil squirters.

Thanks for any advice in advance!

DSMINMN 03-19-2015 12:20 AM

Re: 95 Talon TSi AWD
 
Since time is of the essence and I was given no other choice than to sand the girdle and start over I decided to just that; with a different block. I just so happen to have what looks like another Evo.III block. Maybe I'm wrong but none-the-less it had spun the bearings in one of the rods and the crank walked so I made some art.


http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/r...pshl8vcgal.jpg

The block went into the oven today. Tomorrow will be a go in the wash, then a quick trip in the oven to dry, steel shot then a good tumble. After that tap, tap, tap some holes and onto a align hone. Let's see what I can get done in 9 hours.

DSMINMN 04-02-2015 05:22 PM

Re: 95 Talon TSi AWD
 
Well as usual something happened. lol The crankwalked block gave me a huge runaround. First we had issues getting a straight bore out of our Rottler.

http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/r...pshdnjvrah.jpg

I measured the centering fingers and came up with a .022" difference. This was our issues; or so we thought. After ordering two new sets from Rottler but before closing the shop we found a new set of fingers.

http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/r...ps9jqzwzgi.jpg

I tested them in/on a virgin cylinder and had the exact same results. I also misread the boring fixture's mic/incorrectly set the bit. So I cut the top of the cylinder .030" down at about 3.453"" instead of 3.353". Not a huge deal but not exactly something I will allow to happen again!

My instructor and I moved the block to the Kwik-way. I had the same results there. I had my instructor come over and he tried centering the boring bar. It bored alright but something was still off. What we found had me more than upset. Looking back at it I was more happy; I took it as a sign this block wasn't meant to be used. Take a look at the odd cutting characteristics at the top and bottom of the cylinder.

http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/r...psuchp8zz9.jpg

So I jumped on the "line" hone with the Evo.III block. After a flat file, precision block and some sand paper I brought down the girdle. I bolted it up and seen where I needed to take more. I spent the rest of the day as well as the next honing and spinning the block. I moved all of the "caps" to within...I'd say .0003"-.0004" of each other. This is at the most as far as variation goes.

I had the mic set to the middle of the spec so 2.402". This left me with .0004" on each side to vary. None of the caps were over .0002"..if any were even at .0002". lol

Anyway, thanks for reading!

goodhart 04-03-2015 02:06 AM

Re: 95 Talon TSi AWD
 
What's the spot in the cylinder wall in that last pic ?

DSMINMN 04-03-2015 12:32 PM

Re: 95 Talon TSi AWD
 
That would be the hole that showed up on a .015" cut. Something was definitely off in this block. Very odd. Whoever C&S Engines was..idk man. Crankwalked, spun rod bearing, screwy cylinders & uneven deck surface. Messy stuff.

DSMINMN 04-07-2015 07:45 PM

Re: 95 Talon TSi AWD
 
As I'm waiting for our Sunnen hone to free up and my head bolt bottoming tap to arrive I decided to start work on the head. I then somehow ended up working on something I have been meaning to do for awhile. Haha Here it is.

http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/r...psgs7nwkyd.jpg

http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/r...psplfksalx.jpg

http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/r...psrpcuou1w.jpg

I do not have quite the right angle yet and I believe I tapped a little too far. This is nothing a little more tapping and a grinder won't fix.

So there's my sad excuse for an update! lol

turbotalon1g 04-07-2015 08:18 PM

Re: 95 Talon TSi AWD
 
^I'm interested to see how that mod works, seems no-one had any real feedback.

1990GSX 04-07-2015 08:24 PM

Re: 95 Talon TSi AWD
 
I admire your dedication, under continued misfortune, to do things as right as possible. This thing should scream when you finish. The pics and progress are greatly appreciated. :smile:

DSMINMN 04-07-2015 10:19 PM

Re: 95 Talon TSi AWD
 
Thank you for the responses. I appreciate the...appreciation! lol Thanks for reading guys.

blesi660r 04-08-2015 03:01 AM

Re: 95 Talon TSi AWD
 
Any plans on a guard to keep oil out? Seen a few setups like this on tuners with a splash type guard in place.

DSMINMN 04-08-2015 06:44 PM

Re: 95 Talon TSi AWD
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by blesi660r (Post 454405)
Any plans on a guard to keep oil out? Seen a few setups like this on tuners with a splash type guard in place.

I guess I haven't considered it. I haven't seen any examples yet to replicate so I guess I could do some looking.

dsmDolney 04-08-2015 10:51 PM

Re: 95 Talon TSi AWD
 
I also saw a couple on tuners with custom baffles to guard it so oil isnt constantly going threw.

asshanson 04-09-2015 02:33 AM

Re: 95 Talon TSi AWD
 
Since I'm a dumbass, I'll ask. Is that just for crankcase pressure relief? Or something completely different and awesome?

turbotalon1g 04-09-2015 07:22 AM

Re: 95 Talon TSi AWD
 
Crankcase relief.

goodhart 04-09-2015 01:02 PM

Re: 95 Talon TSi AWD
 
Force Engineering is the shop that did this with the battle welded in place.

DSMINMN 04-14-2015 10:13 PM

Re: 95 Talon TSi AWD
 
Still awaiting to get the tap for my head bolt holes. Then the torque plate can go on and into the hone it goes!

Yesterday I made a trip to MAP to have my buddy Aric resurface the block correctly. Our setup here at school is great is you're stuck in the days of 5.7 Chevys or V8s in general. That obviously isn't the case here though. So here it is. Thanks be to Aric again for the help.

http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/r...psq9epnxid.jpg

http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/r...psijosuwgp.jpg

http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/r...psip3ye4rw.jpg


Now here's the ultimate question; what color should I paint this pig?!? I wanted to go with Cummins beige but I'm almost thinking metallic gold will look good. I think I'm losing it! I hear black and purple but my Lord, I cannot make up my mind! Hahaha

DSMINMN 04-15-2015 07:44 PM

Re: 95 Talon TSi AWD
 
Got a color picked out thanks to none other than yours truly.

http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/r...psk7ougbj9.jpg

Also got the torque plate on. This only after decided to say screw the 11x1.25mm bottoming tap that should have been here today. One would think if you order something on a Thursday from California it would leave the state before the following Wednesday. Oh well though! All I did was bead blast a stock head bolt and grind a notch in it. It cleaned up a little trapped junk. Good old CRC brake clean did the rest of the work.

Tomorrow I will have the day to hone and ya'll can believe it'll be done. Then back to head porting. After that a little guide replacement and hone then assembly.

http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/r...pstkqvpeog.jpg

http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/r...psczn8tfdv.jpg

s1ngletracker 04-17-2015 10:02 AM

Re: 95 Talon TSi AWD
 
Any reason you just didn't use the balance shaft alignment hole for a vent?

DSMINMN 04-17-2015 01:27 PM

Re: 95 Talon TSi AWD
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by s1ngletracker (Post 454811)
Any reason you just didn't use the balance shaft alignment hole for a vent?

I suppose I was just following the thread made by BogusSVO. The reason I believe this area is used is because it serves as a good area for relief. That and I believe that was it's intention when designed from Mitsubishi. Thus doing this would help it out.

That isn't to saying one might not be able to used that hole. Or the hole on the front case when your B.S'. are deleted.

s1ngletracker 04-17-2015 01:50 PM

Re: 95 Talon TSi AWD
 
just wondering, because I think i'm going to use that one. My motor is already assembled and don't really want to try to drill a hole.

DSMINMN 04-17-2015 02:37 PM

Re: 95 Talon TSi AWD
 
In that case yeah, you'd probably want to avoid getting junk into your block. This also isn't an easy hole to drill. Nor is it cheap. I think there were three of us. Two holding the block and myself drilling. The drill bit and tap would put you back almost $50 as well.

s1ngletracker 04-17-2015 03:12 PM

Re: 95 Talon TSi AWD
 
what size did you tap it to?

DSMINMN 04-17-2015 03:55 PM

Re: 95 Talon TSi AWD
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by s1ngletracker (Post 454825)
what size did you tap it to?

1/2" NPT.

s1ngletracker 04-17-2015 04:02 PM

Re: 95 Talon TSi AWD
 
wow, that is big. No wonder it was hard to drill!

DSMINMN 04-17-2015 05:03 PM

Re: 95 Talon TSi AWD
 
Yes sir. Hahaha We got 'er though.

If anyone ever needs it done I can do it for you. I've got the junk to do it and the part number for the fittings.


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