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mlomker 02-01-2010 10:29 AM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
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Originally Posted by scheides (Post 322381)
Since you're tracking your car, have you considered some sort of brake ducting kit?

No, I assumed they were stock but I see that's not the case. AMS is getting a rather ridiculous $500 for such a kit. Half that price might be worthwhile. I'll have to see if anyone else makes a kit.

http://www.amsperformance.com/cart/A...oling-Kit.html

tpunx99GSX 02-01-2010 10:59 AM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
Just wanted to add something about the price of the project. Dont feel bad. A good friend of mine in california named Paul Dentice, put over $75,000 (after discounts) into his project. R33 Nissan Skyline GTR. His setup maxxed out at 900+hp, He went to the Sport Compact Magazine Ultimate Streetcar Challenge and placed like 3rd i think, He got beat out by an NSX that had $250,000 in receipts. Whats funny is that though my friend didnt win, he did win all of the events that mattered, He actually tuned his car down to a fun 666hp just so he could look competitive in the events like "Emmissions testing" and "Gas Milage". But he had a lot of fun in that car and im sure you will to. He ended up selling the car for $90,000 with a lot of the parts off of the car. Now he has a Nissan Silvia S15 from japan, that is about the cleanest car ive ever laid eyes on.

Shane@DBPerformance 02-01-2010 11:17 AM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
If you plan on street driving the car, don't get some totally ridiculous track brakes. You won't ever be able to heat them up enough to stop on the street and the noise will drive you and your neighbors crazy.

scheides 02-01-2010 11:21 AM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
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Originally Posted by mlomker (Post 322389)
No, I assumed they were stock but I see that's not the case. AMS is getting a rather ridiculous $500 for such a kit. Half that price might be worthwhile. I'll have to see if anyone else makes a kit.

http://www.amsperformance.com/cart/A...oling-Kit.html

Well you could simply find some basic ducts that fit into the factory grill somewhere and then buy that silicone hose and run it and point it at the calipers, that would probably be the best bang/buck. I looked into it a few years ago, there are several companies that make aluminum ducts that will fit nicely in a few spots. The hose is kinda spensive though, then get some beefy zip ties to route it where you want it.

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Originally Posted by ecoli (Post 322402)
If you plan on street driving the car, don't get some totally ridiculous track brakes. You won't ever be able to heat them up enough to stop on the street and the noise will drive you and your neighbors crazy.

+1, track pads squeel like a bitch and dispite what some say are pretty dangerous on the street.

mlomker 02-01-2010 11:39 AM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX (Post 322398)
Just wanted to add something about the price of the project. Dont feel bad. A good friend of mine in california named Paul Dentice, put over $75,000 (after discounts) into his project.

Well if I threw in that body kit, some Bride seats, and a few odds and ends then I'd have a $70k Evo or somewhere in there. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if I did take it there eventually since I always go too far with my hobbies.

For 2010 I'm pressing 'pause' with the parts I've already bought. I'll have labor costs for my install and I don't know yet what that'll end up costing.

I get a kick out of watching those 'West Coast Customs' TV shows but I'm not a professional sports player making $1M/yr either.

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Originally Posted by ecoli (Post 322402)
If you plan on street driving the car, don't get some totally ridiculous track brakes.

I'm going with DS2500 pads, that's already decided. The brake ducts sound like a good idea but not for now. I need to get my stuff installed and focus on the driver mod this Summer.

mlomker 02-05-2010 09:32 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
A few more pieces arrived today. I've been waiting on this Cusco front strut tower brace for four months! The Specialty-X test pipe and Cosworth MX1 cams are here.

The BB-X turbo is shipping on Monday or Tuesday. That means all I'm waiting for is the BlaqOPs double-pump kit and a set of Cosworth valve springs...then the build begins.

http://mlomker.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8...76ae77f970c-pi

mlomker 02-06-2010 10:22 AM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
I ordered some more crap this week--are you surprised? ;)

I ordered a TurboXS knocklite. I'm going to wait until it arrives to decide which knock sensor to buy for it. I was impressed with the Cusco front strut tower brace so I went ahead and ordered the rear tower and floor braces. They sell a lot more but those are the three that most people buy.

http://www.z1motorsports.com/imagema...page=prod_info
http://i432.photobucket.com/albums/q...ce/evoxrsb.jpg

http://i432.photobucket.com/albums/q...evox_ff_pb.jpg

Matt D. 02-06-2010 11:28 AM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
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Originally Posted by mlomker (Post 323167)

I ordered a TurboXS knocklite. I'm going to wait until it arrives to decide which knock sensor to buy for it.

Somewhere in my Mitsubishi information vault I remember something about the location of the stock knock sensor being important, and the stock knock sensor itself being a good device. I guess I don't understand the point of having an aftermarket knock sensor when the stock one is perfectly fine already, especially when the stock knock sensor is threaded into the block and there are no guarantees that an aftermarket one will perform as good as the stock one.

goodhart 02-06-2010 12:44 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
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Originally Posted by Matt D. (Post 323171)
Somewhere in my Mitsubishi information vault I remember something about the location of the stock knock sensor being important, and the stock knock sensor itself being a good device. I guess I don't understand the point of having an aftermarket knock sensor when the stock one is perfectly fine already, especially when the stock knock sensor is threaded into the block and there are no guarantees that an aftermarket one will perform as good as the stock one.

^this. Unless it's some sort of add-on knock sensor or something and you're having it just for show/shit's and grins I wouldn't replace the stock unit.

scheides 02-06-2010 01:45 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
I love that rear strut tower bar! Leaves room for other stuff.

Kracka 02-06-2010 02:17 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt D. (Post 323171)
Somewhere in my Mitsubishi information vault I remember something about the location of the stock knock sensor being important, and the stock knock sensor itself being a good device. I guess I don't understand the point of having an aftermarket knock sensor when the stock one is perfectly fine already, especially when the stock knock sensor is threaded into the block and there are no guarantees that an aftermarket one will perform as good as the stock one.

The X knock sensor is different from what the DSM's and VIII/IX's have. I'm sure Shane will respond and give more details since he is the one who explained it to me.

Kracka 02-06-2010 02:18 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
I love all the chassis bracing! I know the X is already quite a bit stiffer than the VIII/IX, but I installed a 6-point lower brace and it made a noticeable difference on my car.

mlomker 02-06-2010 05:23 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by goodhart (Post 323176)
^this. Unless it's some sort of add-on knock sensor or something and you're having it just for show/shit's and grins I wouldn't replace the stock unit.

No, this doesn't replace the stock one. This is just a knock indicator light for monitoring purposes. Your options are to wire it into the stock unit or add a secondary for it. Since they are only $50-80 I don't see a reason not to add a second one.

The X's are known for having questionable fuel pump relays and now that I'm upgrading to a double-pump, that's just more things to fail. Beefing up my monitoring capability seemed prudent.

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Originally Posted by Kracka (Post 323182)
The X knock sensor is different from what the DSM's and VIII/IX's have.

He has commented that the knock detection on the X sucks but I don't know if that's due to the stock sensor's quality or its placement.

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Originally Posted by scheides (Post 323178)
I love that rear strut tower bar! Leaves room for other stuff.

That's the big advantage that the Cusco has. The price is higher than the competition but no modifications to carpeting or trunk plastic is required.

mlomker 02-06-2010 05:34 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
I finally got a tracking number for the valve springs and they will arrive on Monday. I spoke to BlaqOPs on the phone and he thinks I'll have it next Friday. Everything is on schedule for an install in the second half of the month, then.

mlomker 02-07-2010 06:11 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
Crap, I didn't read the directions.

http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs160...._3351461_n.jpg

Kracka 02-07-2010 06:18 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
LOL what product did those come with? Looks like the directions that come with all the Beatrush products.

mlomker 02-07-2010 06:25 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
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Originally Posted by Kracka (Post 323270)
LOL what product did those come with? Looks like the directions that come with all the Beatrush products.

I just threw on the Cusco brace.

mlomker 02-10-2010 07:37 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
I've had some crazy vibration under the hood ever since I installed that Cusco tower brace. I'm going to pull it off tonight and try removing the heat shield for the exhaust manifold. Logically you'd think it was the strut brace since that is the only thing that changed but man is it solid the way that it is mounted. The only way it could be making that noise is if that lightweight aluminum is working like a tuning fork!

I received the TurboXS Knocklite and Boomba 75mm throttle body and catch can. I had previously purchased a Perrin catch can but the Boomba is aluminum and looks better.

I received a few inquiries and photos from BlaqOPs regarding my fueling system. That should be shipping out at some point this week. I'm thinking about ditching my AMS fuel rail and buying a Boomba instead. The Boomba uses stock quick disconnect fittings that will mate up with the BlaqOPs filter better. The Ultimate Racing filter that I'm using is noisy so getting rid of it wouldn't break my heart.

http://mlomker.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8...78c5ad1970c-pi

http://mlomker.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8...78c5ade970c-pi

slowbubblecar 02-10-2010 08:18 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
Damn, you have a lot of stuff. Looks like you should have just bought a chassis :). Regarding the brake ducts, I will probably try to work something myself on the car I will be building.

mlomker 02-10-2010 08:30 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
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Originally Posted by slowbubblecar (Post 324102)
Looks like you should have just bought a chassis

As scheides would say, it's mostly stock. ;)

mlomker 02-12-2010 10:47 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
BlaqOPs is shipping my fuel system tomorrow. He had his photographer take some photos of my kit today.

Far too sexy for a gas tank. :D

http://mlomker.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8...895bb31970b-pi

123abc 02-12-2010 11:06 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
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Originally Posted by mlomker (Post 324486)
BlaqOPs is shipping my fuel system tomorrow. He had his photographer take some photos of my kit today.

Far too sexy for a gas tank. :D


Yeah, no shit it's too sexy. :P


That throttle body is really sweet too.

mlomker 02-14-2010 11:35 AM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
I decided to use my stock rotors until they are shot rather than upgrade them now. I have a feeling I'm going to be hard on brakes/rotors this summer anyway as I learn what I'm doing at the tracks.

I ordered DS2500 pads, stainless lines, and ATE blue.

FattyBoomBatty 02-15-2010 12:02 AM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mlomker (Post 324089)
I've had some crazy vibration under the hood ever since I installed that Cusco tower brace. I'm going to pull it off tonight and try removing the heat shield for the exhaust manifold. Logically you'd think it was the strut brace since that is the only thing that changed but man is it solid the way that it is mounted. The only way it could be making that noise is if that lightweight aluminum is working like a tuning fork!


The Ultimate Racing filter that I'm using is noisy so getting rid of it wouldn't break my heart.


First part, a tuning fork isn't mounted on both ends. one end vibrates freely in the air, so it's not doing that, it's just bumping into something or vice versa.

And how can a fuel filter be noisy? And how can you hear it above the engine noise?

mlomker 02-15-2010 07:04 AM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
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Originally Posted by FattyBoomBatty (Post 324698)
First part, a tuning fork isn't mounted on both ends.

Yeah, I knew that but I did waste some time trying nylon washers on the mounts. It ended up being the BOV not having enough clearance on the underside of the bar. While standing over the engine bay I couldn't really see the thing...it was obvious once I kneeled and looked at it outside where there's more light.

Quote:

And how can a fuel filter be noisy? And how can you hear it above the engine noise?
Anything that vibrates on or near the firewall is audible from the driver's seat at idle. Pretty frustrating to locate these sounds, actually...you pop the hood and listen and hear/feel nothing. You then sit back down in the driver seat and it's as obvious as all get-out. I wasn't the one who figured out it was the filter (I never would have thought of that), it was Ron. He quieted it down quite a bit by adding some rubber.

123abc 02-15-2010 08:07 AM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mlomker (Post 324719)
Yeah, I knew that but I did waste some time trying nylon washers on the mounts. It ended up being the BOV not having enough clearance on the underside of the bar. While standing over the engine bay I couldn't really see the thing...it was obvious once I kneeled and looked at it outside where there's more light.



Anything that vibrates on or near the firewall is audible from the driver's seat at idle. Pretty frustrating to locate these sounds, actually...you pop the hood and listen and hear/feel nothing. You then sit back down in the driver seat and it's as obvious as all get-out. I wasn't the one who figured out it was the filter (I never would have thought of that), it was Ron. He quieted it down quite a bit by adding some rubber.

You'll be chasing down rattles all day in a mitsubishi.

Kracka 02-15-2010 08:14 AM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
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Originally Posted by 123abc (Post 324720)
You'll be chasing down rattles all day in a mitsubishi.

Especially with a poly motor mount, lightweight flywheel, and a 6-puck clutch. Good luck to you sir! :D

Matt D. 02-15-2010 09:40 AM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kracka (Post 324721)
Especially with a poly motor mount, lightweight flywheel, and a 6-puck clutch. Good luck to you sir! :D

Yep, if you wanted a car with good fit and finish you should not have bought a Mitsubishi.

mlomker 02-15-2010 10:54 AM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt D. (Post 324724)
Yep, if you wanted a car with good fit and finish you should not have bought a Mitsubishi.

ROFL. I haven't installed the poly mounts and I'm not sure if I will. Now that I'm use to the clutch it is pretty tame. I've killed the motor a couple times during parking lot maneuvers but no big deal.

I don't have a problem with periodic noises but constant vibration/noise that I obviously created is another story.

Kracka 02-15-2010 10:56 AM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
Miss your BMW yet? ;) Maybe a RS4 is looking pretty good right about now?

mlomker 02-15-2010 11:06 AM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
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Originally Posted by Kracka (Post 324736)
Miss your BMW yet? ;)

Not at all, very different cars. The BMW's repairs were equaling the monthly payments for the last two years.

The BMW had about 200hp and its AWD was clamping on the brake when a wheel spun. Granted, that is usually good enough for getting through snow but it's so inferior to Mitsu...

I must say that converting to E85 really changed the entire character of the car. 360tq inspires such a feeling of security/power when driving around town.

I'm curious to see what I think of the car after the turbo upgrade. I'm guessing it'll be 'different' but not necessarily better.

123abc 02-15-2010 11:13 AM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
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Originally Posted by mlomker (Post 324737)
Not at all, very different cars. The BMW's repairs were equaling the monthly payments for the last two years.

The BMW had about 200hp and its AWD was clamping on the brake when a wheel spun. Granted, that is usually good enough for getting through snow but it's so inferior to Mitsu...

I must say that converting to E85 really changed the entire character of the car. 360tq inspires such a feeling of security/power when driving around town.

I'm curious to see what I think of the car after the turbo upgrade. I'm guessing it'll be 'different' but not necessarily better.

Yeah, BMW seems to have it twisted there. Awd is the traction you need and the right foot is the control.....not the brakes to stop wheelspin.

mlomker 02-15-2010 11:17 AM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 123abc (Post 324740)
Yeah, BMW seems to have it twisted there.

A lot of the low-end AWD vehicles are that way--they tie into the ABS sensors to detect wheelspin and just apply the brakes. They didn't bother with designing a true LSD and instead just use some kind of central torque splitter front to rear.

123abc 02-15-2010 11:19 AM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
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Originally Posted by mlomker (Post 324741)
A lot of the low-end AWD vehicles are that way--they tie into the ABS sensors to detect wheelspin and just apply the brakes. They didn't bother with designing a true LSD and instead just use some kind of central torque splitter front to rear.

I drove a chrysler pacifica like that once with awd. I could not get any action unless I turned off the traction control....

Matt D. 02-15-2010 11:33 AM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mlomker (Post 324735)
ROFL. I haven't installed the poly mounts and I'm not sure if I will. Now that I'm use to the clutch it is pretty tame. I've killed the motor a couple times during parking lot maneuvers but no big deal.

I don't have a problem with periodic noises but constant vibration/noise that I obviously created is another story.

Motor mounts coupled with aftermarket cams are only going to shake your car loose. Add in stiff(er) suspension, a stiffer clutch, a driveline that has had rubber bushings replaced with urethane/solid ones... Eventually you'll be expecting trim pieces to be falling off over every bump. :)

mlomker 02-15-2010 02:09 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt D. (Post 324745)
Eventually you'll be expecting trim pieces to be falling off over every bump. :)

Velcro FTW! I use that shit like a redneck uses duct tape.

Matt D. 02-15-2010 02:13 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
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Originally Posted by mlomker (Post 324781)
Velcro FTW! I use that shit like a redneck uses duct tape.

What does that make you then?

goodhart 02-15-2010 02:17 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mlomker (Post 324741)
A lot of the low-end AWD vehicles are that way--they tie into the ABS sensors to detect wheelspin and just apply the brakes. They didn't bother with designing a true LSD and instead just use some kind of central torque splitter front to rear.

Sounds kind of like Audi's...


So when do you get all the shiny new parts installed?

mlomker 02-15-2010 02:52 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt D. (Post 324782)
What does that make you then?

Happy, unless the adhesive gives out.

Quote:

Originally Posted by goodhart (Post 324783)
So when do you get all the shiny new parts installed?

Whenever the Brown truck shows me some love. The fuel system & turbo should be in transit.

scheides 02-15-2010 07:41 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
I's consider *just* the front mount for purposes of keeping the cabin vibration to a minimum. Been very happy with mine, and I think AMS sells a softer durometer mount for the X, it'd be in my first round of mods if I got an X.

360wtqis indeed inspiring around town. The turbo upgrade should not hurt this confidence; torque should stay high and you'll have a he-man powerband after it and the cams/springs.


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