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scheides 05-10-2012 11:31 AM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Ya, just don't let your car sit and idle for 40 minutes at a time :P

Murlo26 05-10-2012 11:34 AM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
I would never idle the car longer than 20 mins for any reason honestly. I can't think of one at least.

Kracka 05-10-2012 12:44 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Murlo26 (Post 406292)
I can't think of one at least.

Christening the car with a lady?

Murlo26 05-10-2012 01:15 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kracka (Post 406299)
Christening the car with a lady?

Car can be off for that, duh.

Unless we want the rumble there for vibrating murlo ;)

Kracka 05-10-2012 01:38 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
A/C to unsteam the windows son!!! Or heater if it's too cold for little Murlo ;)

I do like the vibrations idea though, poly mounts FTW in this case.

Murlo26 05-10-2012 01:50 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kracka (Post 406309)
A/C to unsteam the windows son!!! Or heater if it's too cold for little Murlo ;)

I do like the vibrations idea though, poly mounts FTW in this case.

Steam = privacy :) that with my tint and its a no peep show venue. LOL @ heater.

Indeed, poly mounts!

niterydr 05-10-2012 02:43 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Murlo26 (Post 406273)
Well I was busy last night doing logging and forgot the gopro needed to be charged, I will try and test it out tonight for fun.

I came to a realization though, I know why tuners hate DW injectors!!!! Because they suck to tune lol.

I am on revision 8 now for scaling/latencies and have done ~45 minutes of logging for each, that is over 5 hours of scaling lol. Still not dialed in yet. Ugh. I remember why I pay people for this shit, but I am learning a lot. I will get my trims under +/- 5% yet! The best I have seen so far on these is +/- 8%.

I have 0 problems with my DW 1000's in my AEM car :rock2:

Shane@DBPerformance 05-10-2012 04:47 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Turn off the o2 sensor and run it open loop. No fuel trims anymore... Your big MAF is going to make the car more inconsistant and have bigger swings than a stock sized MAF car with stock injectors.

Murlo26 05-10-2012 04:51 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Shane@DBPerformance (Post 406330)
Turn off the o2 sensor and run it open loop. No fuel trims anymore... Your big MAF is going to make the car more inconsistant and have bigger swings than a stock sized MAF car with stock injectors.

I am on the stock intake/MAF though right now. So in theory it should run fine correct? Assuming injectors are decent and not piles of crap?

Maybe I could just run open loop instead...hmmm, who knows. I am about 2 steps from ordering the 2150's and being done with it and just running open loop. I have talked with several people and on E85 people seem to get the 2150's to work perfectly fine.

Shane@DBPerformance 05-10-2012 04:56 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Do you feel the car bucking or something?

Murlo26 05-10-2012 04:59 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Shane@DBPerformance (Post 406333)
Do you feel the car bucking or something?

Not really, once I put my stock MAF back on to try and tune the DW injectors, regardless of the scaling/latency the car has felt super smooth.

I am just trying to get my trims to stay somewhere normal.

turbotalon1g 05-10-2012 08:32 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Get the 2150s and be done with it, plus we know you are going to go bigger.

Halon 05-10-2012 09:11 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
I love my High-Z FIC's (similar to ID1000's). Pretty much a High-Z fanboi now. 1000's or 2150's is probably all I will ever run.

Murlo26 05-11-2012 09:41 AM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by turbotalon1g (Post 406360)
Get the 2150s and be done with it, plus we know you are going to go bigger.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halon (Post 406368)
I love my High-Z FIC's (similar to ID1000's). Pretty much a High-Z fanboi now. 1000's or 2150's is probably all I will ever run.

Yea I have heard very good things about the FIC 2150's. All the guys I talked to said no surprises tuning them and on E85 they drive pretty damn good.

So I might order these today, we will see if the mood strikes me right.

Murlo26 05-11-2012 11:10 AM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
So it looks like a few people have suggested I may have a leak pre O2 sensor causing my issues.

Does anyone have stock X injectors I can borrow for a few days?

scheides 05-11-2012 11:11 AM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Is anyone running 2150's on the stock X ecu successfully yet? I thought about putting them in my car but didn't wanna mess with them at the time...I'm sure someone has done it by now (and hopefully shared their results).

Murlo26 05-11-2012 11:19 AM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by scheides (Post 406415)
Is anyone running 2150's on the stock X ecu successfully yet? I thought about putting them in my car but didn't wanna mess with them at the time...I'm sure someone has done it by now (and hopefully shared their results).

Yea, plenty of people. On pump gas they aren't really recommended. But I just spoke with Golden and he has tuned two on E85 on the 2150's and he said they idle fine at like 800rpms and drive perfect.

You don't have your stock injectors do you by chance? :)

Shane@DBPerformance 05-11-2012 11:20 AM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
I usually run the 2150s in open loop, because the "small" swings that factory ECUs do around stoich during closed loop are huge swings with the 2150s. They tune amazing with standalones, you have to put up with some quirks on stock ECUs, since stock ECUs often don't work the best at very low pulse widths.

scheides 05-11-2012 11:38 AM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Murlo26 (Post 406417)
Yea, plenty of people. On pump gas they aren't really recommended. But I just spoke with Golden and he has tuned two on E85 on the 2150's and he said they idle fine at like 800rpms and drive perfect.

You don't have your stock injectors do you by chance? :)

Nope I do not. Would love to see what all he did to get them to run nicely, as I'm sure there's some tweaks that are needed (esp per shane below)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shane@DBPerformance (Post 406418)
I usually run the 2150s in open loop, because the "small" swings that factory ECUs do around stoich during closed loop are huge swings with the 2150s. They tune amazing with standalones, you have to put up with some quirks on stock ECUs, since stock ECUs often don't work the best at very low pulse widths.

I wonder if there's a way to narrow that 'sweep' that's made during closed loop....I'll talk to tephra & mrfred.

Murlo26 05-11-2012 11:40 AM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by scheides (Post 406421)
Nope I do not. Would love to see what all he did to get them to run nicely, as I'm sure there's some tweaks that are needed (esp per shane below)

I wonder if there's a way to narrow that 'sweep' that's made during closed loop....I'll talk to tephra & mrfred.


If you want, PM me and I can give you his email if you want to ask him a few things. I am not sure of all the details, but he didn't seem to have a problem dialing them in. I assume open loop for sure.

Or you can try a PM on EvoM or Evoxforums, name is Golden.

Kracka 05-11-2012 01:05 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Murlo26 (Post 406417)
You don't have your stock injectors do you by chance? :)

I do...can mail tonight if it's important.

Murlo26 05-11-2012 01:12 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kracka (Post 406425)
I do...can mail tonight if it's important.

Shawn has some too, so if I do end up needing them I will PM you :)

Thanks a ton for the offer though, much appreciated.

I am going to stop at MAP here shortly and put the car on the lift there over my lunch break.

From the logs it looks like an exhaust leak or possibly a boost leak. So I will see if we see an exhaust leak or try and do a quick boost leak test.

hopefully we find something. My scalings for the injectors are currently overly rich by quite a bit, down to 636 and at cruise the car is still adding fuel, so it would seem there is a leak.

Murlo26 05-15-2012 03:57 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IoJ5eR0HWs&hd=1

Tested it out knoxville's G8. Looks great, just wind noise! His car sounds nice though regardless.

turbotalon1g 05-15-2012 05:09 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
oh snap I know where that is!

Halon 05-15-2012 05:19 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Lol, it's off tha chain in Blaine! Glad to see I'm not the only one who gets those purple fuckin bags on my driveway.

Knoxville 05-15-2012 06:27 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Murlo26 (Post 406675)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IoJ5eR0HWs&hd=1

Tested it out knoxville's G8. Looks great, just wind noise! His car sounds nice though regardless.

I like how it sounds at 1:22 before the wind kicks in.

Murlo26 05-16-2012 09:22 AM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Halon (Post 406684)
Lol, it's off tha chain in Blaine! Glad to see I'm not the only one who gets those purple fuckin bags on my driveway.

God I know, its annoying as hell picking those stupid things up all the time! I want them to stop. All I do is pick it up and throw it in the recycle bin.

goodhart 05-16-2012 11:21 AM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Sounds like you need to put a piece of foam around the go-pro to cut down wind noise. I know Josh (Bramage Dained) actually killed a little stuffed animal and stuck the camera inside of it for wind noise. :lol:

Murlo26 05-16-2012 01:09 PM

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^Yea knoxville said people use foam to shove in between the camera and case for this. I will find something to cut the noise down a bit. The picture looks great though, now I just need the sound to be a bit better.

On an Evo note. Picked up stock injectors from Shawn at lunch today. Going to try swapping those in soon, maybe tonight but probably tomorrow night as I have a few other things I want to do tonight (mow the lawn etc).

Never swapped injectors but it can't be too bad. The only thing I don't know is if I need injector O ring grease of some sort? Or will like WD40 work? I am guessing I am going to make a fuely mess but gotta figure it out sometime.

rose0529 05-16-2012 02:38 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Murlo26 (Post 406743)
........ I have a few other things I want to do tonight (moe the lawn etc).

Who is Moe, and what are you doing to him!?

:)

Murlo26 05-16-2012 02:39 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rose0529 (Post 406745)
Who is Moe, and what are you doing to him!?

:)

LOL, fixed in my other post...its been a rough day, I wanted to kill Moe, like from the simpsons...

Must kill Moe..WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEe...MUST KILL MOE...WEEEEEEEEEEEE

Revobasher 05-16-2012 03:24 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
lol

so it's like when I MOW down showsol's girlfriend?

Murlo26 05-18-2012 12:58 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Car is going back under the knife next Wednesday at MAP.

Head is coming off, timing cover etc etc.

New headgasket (cosworth 90mm bore 1.3mm, went a bit thicker for a little more clearance and better sealing), new ARP 625+ headstuds (better than my standard ARP's), new beefier OEM mitsu timing chain and cleaning up my oil leak that is coming from the head.

They are going to do the remaining fluid changes I have as well while its there as its quick with the lift etc (rear diff and tcase).

It'll be nice to see if any det damage is present which I expect none and I like when a shop does the work as they sometimes spot other trouble stuff. So I am happy that I am getting close to a tip top shape running evo until something else breaks lol.

In other news I went WOT last night and the car felt awesome, but is running a bit lean. I wanted to test it out as I fixed a boost leak I found at MAP last week over my lunch break. At 25ish psi my UICP to IC coupler was leaking so I pulled the bumper off as its a PITA to try and do without doing that and reworked it. I think I got it.

So WOT my car was around 12.3 AFR's so its leaned out some from when Shane had it last. Not sure if its from fixing the boost leak, exhaust leak or just true E85 coming back but changes will need to be made for sure.

edit: I am also switching my double pumper, hopefully this weekend, to ECU controlled for my 2nd pump. Basically I am tapping into a stock relay for a trigger which will now energize a SPST relay near my 2nd pump. The relay is the low-high voltage trigger for the main pump (I believe). So in other words that same switch over point will now activate my second pump which will be wired right to the battery. ECUflash has a table for adjusting this point so it will be nice to be able to tune the point at which my second pump comes on and now I won't have this silly blaqbox controlling it which seems to just complicate things. This is essentially a hobbs switch through the ECU :) A few guys are running this with success, one is a 650whp evo 10 so I figured why not. Just need to run two wires back to my pump from the engine bay, install a relay and rip out my old setup.

scheides 05-19-2012 12:08 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Murlo26 (Post 406899)
Car is going back under the knife next Wednesday at MAP.

Head is coming off, timing cover etc etc.

New headgasket (cosworth 90mm bore 1.3mm, went a bit thicker for a little more clearance and better sealing), new ARP 625+ headstuds (better than my standard ARP's), new beefier OEM mitsu timing chain and cleaning up my oil leak that is coming from the head.

wat.

goodhart 05-19-2012 12:40 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Hopefully you get the car back quick, this is drivin season son!!!

bramagedained 05-19-2012 12:53 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by goodhart (Post 406729)
Sounds like you need to put a piece of foam around the go-pro to cut down wind noise. I know Josh (Bramage Dained) actually killed a little stuffed animal and stuck the camera inside of it for wind noise. :lol:

Hey now, that was a legit fix. Besides, the look on people's face when they saw the head from a stuffed cat sitting on my desk when they did a barracks inspection was priceless.

turbotalon1g 05-19-2012 01:06 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
what's with the HG?

becauseracecar?

Halon 05-19-2012 01:44 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Not sure why, but I feel the need to quote these from just a couple weeks ago.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Murlo26 (Post 405535)
...There is no reason my setup shouldn't last for at least 30k at my power levels.
... motor should be good for plenty of miles...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halon (Post 405656)
... I think you are going to end up disappointed if you think that you're going to be issue free for the next 30k miles...


Murlo26 05-21-2012 11:33 AM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
The car is going in tomorrow and they are starting Wednesday and should be done end of the day Thursday but I am planning to pick it up Friday just in case they need some extra time as I will be out of town for work this week anyway.

Remember the oil leak I mentioned back several weeks ago? Well I want it fixed and if the head is coming off I am upgrading the dumb mitsu chain that stretches. Also I don't want to reuse standard ARP's a 3rd time so I am getting some new headstuds and obviously a new headgasket is a good idea so that is going in as well.

When I said my car should have no problems I meant it and I knew I had this problem. The problem wasn't going to magically fix itself. The car runs/drives perfectly fine right now, I just don't want a stupid oil leak that is getting worse on the car, it makes a big mess and I don't want to end up driving on low oil for any reason. I want the car running perfect and sadly I need to pull the head to fix this problem but it is what it is.

It's getting close to being 100%...

turbotalon1g 05-21-2012 11:40 AM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
I hate leaky cars no matter what they are.

But whatever makes you feel good man, its your car and piece of mind goes a long way.
(i'm dead serious here, not sarcastic)

But with that said, you prob. could reuse the arps and HG, just let map know and they can vote if its bad or not.


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