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This dyno is stingy:(

looking like 410 is it

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lol, I see you have met heartbreaker.

I have been away from her too long and is why I am struck with fear.

Those are damn good numbers sir, you will be able to kick some ass and take some names with that number.

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Sorry about that! I suggested handing over the keys and calling him in the morning but he wanted a few details.

I wondered if that'd be the case. It seems that turning up boost often just adds torque on these cars...it isn't going to do much for peak.

It does make you wonder if the dual pump was even necessary, doesn't it? Hard to say. I am curious where your IDCs ended up on the DW1000s.

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Fixing the boost leaks didn't seem to gain us any power at all. It did help get my loads and fuel tables inline with how they should should be though. In the upper RPMs we have the wastegate duty cycles maxed and boost is dropping, but the power is still climbing at revlimiter. We aren't crazy aggressive with the ignition timing and A/F ratio for now on the E70, the car feels like it pulls hard to redline for an Evo X. I am not sure if the snow tires were hurting our numbers also or not. It does seem to spool a little faster than some of the Evo 8/9s I have tuned with the Red and BBK.

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We were seeing around 95% duty cycle in EvoScan at 7500RPMs on the 1000s with the BlaqOps. Who knows how accurate that is though, since it's a calculated value in EvoScan, versus a true reading like you have a with a standalone or a Honda ECU. The IDC numbers with EvoScan on the Evo 8/9 have been wildy inaccurate as with some of the DSM loggers.

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Don't be sad murlo. The car will feel like an animal on the street now, drive it and get some summer tires on it, and lets both get back on the dyno in May @ the dyno day and see how much difference they make. Out of curiosity what kind of rubber do you got on there right now?

Can't wait to see the plots! 410whp on this dyno is awesome power.

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iirc Blizzaks. I'll be dynoing mine on Icebears.

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Don't get too caught up in the #'s, its all about the the cars feels and if you're happy with it!

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Well I let er rip on the street some now that my bumper is back on and damn, it feels awesome! I can notice the torque loss barely and spool is noticeable but the top end is great. It pulls all the way to redline and I almost forget to shift. With the stock turbo you wanted to shift at like 5500.

I am very happy with it. I will try a few more things with this setup once the stock clutch gets out of there. I will be upping boost a bit more and probably swapping out the wga for a dom2 one, people have had good luck with that.

But honestly I am very happy with it now. I am getting food now but will post up vids in a bit and post up some comparo's of my turbo against stock/fpred x on a 9 on e85/fpred on x on pump/BBK(schides) shane wanted to see the differences as did I.

Spool is pretty good on this car though I must say.

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Congrats, wait till all the other fun cars come out and u walk around them you will feel better.

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^ What he said. Those are pretty damn good numbers and nothing to be that bummed about.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfD_P7GsjIk&hd=1

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http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...6/f2873489.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...6/f426ef3d.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...6/21eafa0b.jpg
Current Vs. Stock Turbo E85
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...6/c5fe3431.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...6/deb3ed97.jpg
Current Vs. Evo 9 E85 Fpred
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...6/acb2abb8.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...6/fefe6ce6.jpg
Current Vs. Pump Gas FPred (A different Car)
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...6/1e227b3c.jpg
Current Vs. BBK 8 (schiedes at some point)
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...6/861ff366.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...6/5a803a3a.jpg
Current Vs. Almost stock w/stock tune
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...6/92b7988c.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...6/69fd165a.jpg

Shootout Mode (these seem pretty spot on for some dynojet numbers, I will hit MAP up soon, not sure if the spring dyno day is there or not)
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...6/57695877.jpg

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I think with a little work this setup will be solid, I think it's got some more midrange for sure with some 33ish psi boost. Then hopefully with an upgraded actuator i can get some more out of it, running an 18psi one now which might be hurting me, who knows.

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Very nice numbers! 410 at DB is nothing to be disappointed about at all.

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I'm running dunlop wintersports 3d's(i think, maybe it was m3, i got the better ones, which ever those are).

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Boo! Should have made an overlay with my numbers from last summer. I went ahead and did it :)

http://scheides.com/misc/pics/evo/ov...-30psi-e85.jpg

Looks a little different eh? This is why I'm curious about the snow tire thing....we'll see!

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Did you change anything from the previous dyno to this one?

We looked at what speeds I was reaching on the dyno and the mph were quite a bit less with these tires over my stock ones.

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It's a pretty sweet midrange. Does seem to run out of breath beyond 6500.

Dave could use a set of springs since the Red is still on a roll at redline.

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indeed! When does the 4b11 start to run out of breath? I love how fast that turbo spools, can't wait to see a direct comparo to the BBX :D

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Yeah, we'll definitely be overlaying these three charts. It's in Shane's capable hands now.

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I am not sure when my setup will drop in power. We are able to make up for the boost drop with timing on this setup and power seems to keep going up.

I think we could make power all the way to 8500. (But who knows)

I also think with more boost and a stronger wga, this 18psi one seems a little weak (i have seen better midrange from people with other ones on the Red).

Going to start saving for Shane to pull the head and do springs, lol. Man i regret not just going them before...idiot:madashell:

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Don't blame you...it's expensive once you add in the head studs, a new gasket, etc. I could buy both of my father's cars for the parts & labor on this job.

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Don't kick yourself, you took a perfectly logical upgrade path. Mebbe you can do bigger cams (GSC?) whenever you end up doing springs :)

Just save up for the clutch, have some fun with the car this spring/summer! Any plans for drag/autoX/HPDE? I think last summer we discussed some frumrolls, so let's see when we can make that happen.

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hehe. test & compare FTW

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I am not sure if bigger cams will help or not. The Kelford Stg 2's are supposed to be bigger but I have not seen any charts to back this up. From what I have seen the MX1's i have work just as well. And since power isn't dropping off up top I am guessing my Mx1's will help when I rev it out. Spending more money on cams sounds risky to me unless I see a direct comparison showing better stuff with another cam.

edit: forgot the second part...I am always down for some frumrolls:) I am sure this will be easy to arrange. Knowing what I made though and the weight disadvantage of the X, its not looking good, lol. I was expecting to of made more power than the BBK and then it would have been interesting. But I never dont do it because i think i won't win, its always fun:)

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So I was just driving around at lunch, the more i drive this the more i love it btw:) and for the first time on dry pavement i broke all four tires loose, it felt good. I haven't launched this car ever for fear of the stock clutch but in first gear if i gas it, even from a roll i broke em loose. I wasn't trying to either.

Car for sure feels better, lag is overrated.

Yes schiedes i do plan on doing some drag this summer. I would love to do other forms, but I wouldn't trust myself turning with this car, i would need to take classes first and I don't have that kind of time/money for learning, tires, brakes, more maintenance etc.

So i will stick with trying to go fast in a straight line, need to get a helmet here soon too. Anyway have a good spot to get one? Preferably locally so I can try sizes on, or at least try them on and figure out the size then order online.

I doubt with the X weight and my noob skills that I will need a roll cage but what time is that needed at, 10's?

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MAC Autocross Novice School - $50 for a 2 day event, classroom on Saturday and seat time on Sunday (held in April and June)

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Pretty sweet lettin loose on a roll! Auto-X is fairly in-expensive. $50 for the Novice Classes felt like $200 classes. All you would need is either high performance "all-season" tires or just straight up summer tires to roll.

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Come autocrossing. Your car won't take much more abuse than it already sees on the street, it's safe for you and the car, and you learn how to drive. It's all I've done over the past 3 summers and I'd say I've become a very capable driver because of it. I went to 8 events before I did the novice school, so just sign up, come out and let her rip.

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11.5's or lower for a cage (if they're being strict). Check out the bench racer's league thread for helmet info and for a bunch of guys/gals learning to turn their wheels and drag their cars a bit w/o much $$ commitment.

edit: at the same time, don't feel like you have to. Nothing wrong with just having a fun street car and keeping it that way for a while. I didn't do drag/autoX for a long time (and haven't yet, but hope to this year!) dispite all my friends begging/egging me to do it.

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Thanks for the advice guys. I want to do something for sure, not sure what yet. I do know I am going to the strip at least once besides that its open ended. I guess it comes down to my motivation and how the car is holding up.

Buschur pulled a mid 11 second pass on a dom2 on pump, so I am sure my car is capable of 11.5 or better in the right hands. But I will be happy with any 11 second pass:)

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We've had those debates on the other thread. Drag racing is far more likely to break drive line components than a lapping day would. It also requires a fair bit of skill to shift well at high speeds...one 'money' shift and you can kiss your motor goodbye. I'm always embarrassed when Shane has me go out for a street pull--I don't know how to shift like that since I never drive like that.

I've only done one day up at BIR...I took it easy and didn't really use my brakes much, just entered the turns at close to the correct speed to not need them.

I'll be doing auto-x and HPDE this year. I'll go watch you guys drag.

You should try to make the go-kart thing this month...that was fun.

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Too bad you guys don't have Tephra's version of NLTS yet, it makes you want to shift fast fast fast :)

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Make sure you guys take a camera

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I have one of those GoPro HD cameras on the way. I plan on recording some track laps and auto-x this year (if they allow cameras in the car).

scheides, I've heard of NLTS but it isn't totally clear. Can you explain it quick?

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It is no lift to shift, and is pretty much like it sounds. You keep the throttle at 100% when shifting and just push the clutch in quick, it really does make a world of difference. When that is set up along with the two step it makes drag racing a little easier. Once you are stagged you are 100% throttle the whole track and you never have to lift once unless you start to lose traction.

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Tephra is working on it for the X now. His is getting close I believe.

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NLTS is the best thing ever! I would run a second slower if I dint have it! NLTS makes it possible for anyone to drive a car fast down the 1/4 mile.

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They've been 'getting close' on stuff for the X for the six months that I've had the car. ;) I'm sure it's tough work to reverse engineer the ECU. I'll certainly send a few bucks whenever something is delivered.