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Halon 01-09-2010 12:21 PM

Re: 91 Galant VR4
 
Can't wait to see it man!!!

goodhart 01-09-2010 07:15 PM

Re: 91 Galant VR4
 
car looked great today John!!

Andrew7dg 01-09-2010 07:20 PM

Re: 91 Galant VR4
 
This is just me being a little over critical about the manifold but don't you want the injectors pointing more at the intake valve instead of the angle that they are at?

I love the tube frame that you made!

Pushit2.0 01-09-2010 10:29 PM

Re: 91 Galant VR4
 
the main reasons you want the injector to point right at the valve is for emissions and a low idle rpm and idle quality. The 160lb/hr injectors are the secondarys, which will only be used when needed, so idle and low rpm/vacuum the engine should run off a fairly small primary injector in the stock location. The farther up stream you place your injector, either a primary or secondary the more power the engine will make. I found testing where a 1000 horse power engine gained around 50 hp from moving the injectors 14" up stream from the valve, I think they said they started at 7". But the engine had to idle at 1700rpm. The reason I found for the more power is the fuel takes heat out of the incoming air, thus its more dense and the engine makes more power. Also they did not find injector angle to be much of a factor but anything from perpendicular to 45deg to the incoming air was good, anything more then 45 either did not change or hurt power. As far as the injectors angling in there is not enough room on the runner to have them next to each other, and I did not want a fuel starving issue, so the angle makes the space from 1 injector to the next about the same.

~John

Pushit2.0 01-11-2010 12:57 PM

Re: 91 Galant VR4
 
I put the rolling chassis up on the scales last night. 1720lbs, If I am around 2500lbs race weight with driver I will be happy.

~John

niterydr 01-11-2010 02:12 PM

Re: 91 Galant VR4
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pushit2.0 (Post 319165)
I put the rolling chassis up on the scales last night. 1720lbs, If I am around 2500lbs race weight with driver I will be happy.

~John

:scared:

That is light!

Swifty1638 01-11-2010 06:39 PM

Re: 91 Galant VR4
 
hooly shiiiiit!

turbotalon1g 01-11-2010 08:18 PM

Re: 91 Galant VR4
 
WTF 1720?

Whats left thats major weight to go back in? you are crazy.

Constant_Project21 01-11-2010 08:33 PM

Re: 91 Galant VR4
 
That's insanely light, jeez. I don't feel like doing math, but I can imagine the power to weight is gonna be nuts.

goodhart 01-11-2010 09:07 PM

Re: 91 Galant VR4
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by turbotalon1g (Post 319254)
WTF 1720?

Whats left thats major weight to go back in? you are crazy.

The engine. lol

Pushit2.0 01-12-2010 01:50 AM

Re: 91 Galant VR4
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pushit2.0 (Post 319165)
...rolling chassis... will be happy with 2500lb race weight...

The list of things to go back on the car is a little long but off the top of my head:
Engine, tranny, front drive shafts, transfer case, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifolds, BOV, waste gates, turbo, water to air intercooler, heat exchanger, water pump and lines, radiator, radiator fans, fuel pump, battery and battery box, alternator, front and rear bumper covers, head lights, fabricated dash and gauges, AEM EMS, MSD ignition, custom wiring harness, exhaust.

The last time the car ran it was 2800lbs with me in it, so the dyno day at DB that is what it weighed.

~John

Kevin 1G Drummer 01-12-2010 02:17 PM

Re: 91 Galant VR4
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin 1G Drummer (Post 318838)
What are your plans for rear suspension? 4 link with a ford 9" or keep blowing up stock axles? haha

?

Pushit2.0 01-13-2010 12:32 AM

Re: 91 Galant VR4
 
I will run the 4 bolt at first, and have a few axels on hand to swap in as needed. Then I will look at drive shaft shop stage 5 rear axels vs a solid rear axel/4 link setup the main hold back with the stock rear end is if the axel does not break the ring and pinion are next. Then when the rear end does not break the transfer case and front axels become the problem. The goal is to make the car as light as possible, make as little torque as possible, and no wheel hop what so ever, if all this happens the drive train might hold up for more then 1 pass.

~John
ps Kevin I missed your post somehow.

Kevin 1G Drummer 01-13-2010 12:37 AM

Re: 91 Galant VR4
 
It's all good. I thought you might have, so I decided to bump it up again. Sounds like a pretty good plan.

Pushit2.0 01-20-2010 02:02 AM

Re: 91 Galant VR4
 
http://www.mitsustyle.com/photopost/...cture_9037.jpg
http://www.mitsustyle.com/photopost/...cture_9036.jpg

I am working on the 4 slide tube mounts right now, the aluminum strips are just to hold the fenders at the right distance apart. The hood will either have 4 pins for easy removal or be mounted to the removable front end. I will drill holes threw the slide connection and add pins, the 2 up by the windshield will be removed from the top just behind the hood. And the lower 2 will be removed from under the front bumper cover.

http://www.mitsustyle.com/photopost/...cture_9038.jpg
http://www.mitsustyle.com/photopost/...cture_9039.jpg

The bigger long tube is welded to the chassis, then there is a tube that slides in, and is welded to the fender.

http://www.mitsustyle.com/photopost/...cture_9040.jpg
http://www.mitsustyle.com/photopost/...cture_9041.jpg

The removable front end will be mounted to a frame that will slide into the lower slide tube mounts.

http://www.mitsustyle.com/photopost/...cture_9042.jpg
I am also spending some time here and there to produce a few of these R.E.E.F SMIM for the 1g DSM.

~John

TkrPerformance 01-20-2010 10:29 AM

Re: 91 Galant VR4
 
looking really good

I will have to pick up a mani for the hatch some time

Kevin 1G Drummer 01-21-2010 01:02 PM

Re: 91 Galant VR4
 
How much do you plan on charging for those Manis?

Pushit2.0 01-21-2010 05:40 PM

Re: 91 Galant VR4
 
The price is a little more then a JMF. I will be out in the garage tonight to work more on the front end.

~John

Pushit2.0 02-08-2010 01:09 PM

Re: 91 Galant VR4
 
I was out of town 2 weeks ago, and did not have time to head down to discount steel until this saturday. So here is the start of the frame work for the removable front end.

http://www.mitsustyle.com/photopost/...ture_10326.jpg
http://www.mitsustyle.com/photopost/...ture_10329.jpg
http://www.mitsustyle.com/photopost/...ture_10328.jpg
http://www.mitsustyle.com/photopost/...ture_10331.jpg
http://www.mitsustyle.com/photopost/...ture_10330.jpg
http://www.mitsustyle.com/photopost/...ture_10334.jpg
http://www.mitsustyle.com/photopost/...ture_10332.jpg

~John

Swifty1638 02-08-2010 01:14 PM

Re: 91 Galant VR4
 
Why square bar, and not round stock? Didn't you have the roundstock for that lower bar before?

turbotalon1g 02-08-2010 02:04 PM

Re: 91 Galant VR4
 
I like the square stuff, but some noob questions for you.

The square stuff is for support to the body pieces and mounting right? And where it mounts to the (round tubing) frame is where the strength is?

Looks good man.

Pushit2.0 02-08-2010 06:50 PM

Re: 91 Galant VR4
 
Yes this is a frame to hold the fenders, hood, front bumper cover, grill, and lights onto the chassis. The chrome moly round tube is the main frame that the suspension, engine, tranny, water to air heat exchanger, and radiator will be mounted. I wanted the square stock to use the flat surfaces to make it easier to mount things and the joints are easier to lay out, just cut and weld no notching needed. I decided to re-do the lower mounts for strength, I did not think the small thin gauge tube would hold up at 160+mph. I bought about 20lbs of aluminum to make all this, and it looks like I will use about 15lbs or so.

~John

turbotalon1g 02-08-2010 06:51 PM

Re: 91 Galant VR4
 
Cool, that all makes perfect sense to me.

I can't wait to see this thing roll.

Pushit2.0 02-10-2010 03:05 AM

Re: 91 Galant VR4
 
http://www.mitsustyle.com/photopost/...ture_10338.jpg

Here it is, removable fender/frame assembly.

http://www.mitsustyle.com/photopost/...ture_10342.jpg

This is the first stage of removal and about half way threw the install of the front clip. I will modify the fire wall mounts so that with a second set of hands the front clip can be removed with or with out the hood on and the front wheels on and the car with it on the ground by only removing 4 pins. All this to make it easier to work on of course.

http://www.mitsustyle.com/photopost/...ture_10343.jpg

Here it is pushed in to the correct depth.

http://www.mitsustyle.com/photopost/...ture_10339.jpg

Here are the front slip connections, these are fabricated out of 1/8" mild steel and will be fully welded to the frame when completed.

http://www.mitsustyle.com/photopost/...ture_10341.jpg

The other side bracket

http://www.mitsustyle.com/photopost/...ture_10344.jpg

I think the brackets are strong, yes this is me standing on the front core support.

http://www.mitsustyle.com/photopost/...ture_10345.jpg

http://www.mitsustyle.com/photopost/...ture_10347.jpg

Never mind, I think I might have made this structure a little to strong, this is a floor jack with a 0-600 PSI gauge on top, and it only takes about 520lbs to lift the entire front end of the car right now, so I do not need to worry much about this setup flying off the front of the car anytime soon. I thought I would just see how much pressure it could handle before it started to bend or something. Now I just need to make the front bumper cover mounts, front grill mounts, head lights/turn signal mounts, then finish weld and start to paint stuff.

~John

tehehodi 02-10-2010 04:09 AM

Re: 91 Galant VR4
 
Wow, looking amazing! Nice work

Swifty1638 02-10-2010 04:17 AM

Re: 91 Galant VR4
 
I like! When's the motor going back in? You have the rest of the cage to finish too? Is the hood, bumper and fenders all going to be 1 piece?

turbotalon1g 02-10-2010 08:06 AM

Re: 91 Galant VR4
 
Put hinges on the front, to go a little old school and raise your pimp status!!
http://www.ehow.com/images/GlobalPho...allin_Full.jpg

That shit is crazy strong, good work.

LingLing 02-10-2010 10:53 AM

Re: 91 Galant VR4
 
That's some amazing fabrication! I love the fact that you can remove your entire front end in one piece lol

Pushit2.0 02-10-2010 11:51 AM

Re: 91 Galant VR4
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Swifty1638 (Post 323891)
I like! When's the motor going back in? You have the rest of the cage to finish too? Is the hood, bumper and fenders all going to be 1 piece?

I could multi quote but this is easier. Yes the bumper, fenders, grill and head lights will be 1 piece, then the hood will be held on by 4 hood pins, which could be left on for front end removal or pulled for spark plug changes and what not.

The cage is all done, minus the pass side door bar.

~John

Matt D. 02-10-2010 12:09 PM

Re: 91 Galant VR4
 
Haha John, proving that what you build is strong enough. Very nice. :)

Pushit2.0 02-12-2010 02:23 AM

Re: 91 Galant VR4
 
The reason I was showing that is there are no rules or regulations for the front of the car. All of the NHRA and IHRA rules are made to save the driver, so figuring out how to make a tubular front end and a removable front clip is a little of a stab in the dark for me. I am lacking the needed engineering degree to know what will work so I am over building the front end. I have looked at few door slammer cars and a full tube chassis car build to come up with my cars front end design.

I did get the front bumper cover mounted up tonight, here are a few pics.

http://www.mitsustyle.com/photopost/...ture_10351.jpg
http://www.mitsustyle.com/photopost/...ture_10349.jpg
http://www.mitsustyle.com/photopost/...ture_10348.jpg
http://www.mitsustyle.com/photopost/...ture_10350.jpg
http://www.mitsustyle.com/photopost/...ture_10352.jpg
http://www.mitsustyle.com/photopost/...ture_10353.jpg

~John

Matt D. 02-12-2010 07:17 AM

Re: 91 Galant VR4
 
Very nice. What are you going to do about filling the headlight areas?

goodhart 02-12-2010 08:33 AM

Re: 91 Galant VR4
 
Did you ever dyno the engine?

Pushit2.0 02-12-2010 08:51 AM

Re: 91 Galant VR4
 
No engine dyno yet, it has been tied up with other projects for the last 2 months.

turbotalon1g 02-12-2010 09:07 AM

Re: 91 Galant VR4
 
Hey, that looks like a galant!
Nice work man.
U still gonna engine dyno before it goes in?

Pushit2.0 02-12-2010 01:23 PM

Re: 91 Galant VR4
 
I still plan torun the engine on the engine dyno, but I will not loose sleep over it if I have to chassis dyno the thing.

As for the holes I plan on putting in some driving lights mounted with sheet metal. Depending on what I get there may be 2 per side. I also plan on putting in the corner lights again and I want to have working turn signals. Then I will run all the wires for the front end threw 1 connector that will be easy to disconnect for front end removal.

~John

TkrPerformance 02-12-2010 01:48 PM

Re: 91 Galant VR4
 
looking really good

If you still need to use the tial 38's just let me know

Pushit2.0 02-18-2010 12:27 AM

Re: 91 Galant VR4
 
With the front clip done until I get a hood I moved the car forward and started to cut up the rear end of the car. So far I have found about 80lbs to remove. The rear doors are gutted minus the crash bar and the door handles to open it. The glass is held up by a bracket that is bolted to the crash bar. The trunk area is cut up and I bought some thin aluminum sheet to rivet in to cover the new holes. I will remount the fuel cell and make the trunk lid as light as possible and will be held on with 4 pins vs the latch and hinge setup. Then after the rear bumper is re mounted I will weigh the rolling chassis in its more complete state to see how heavy it is.

~John

turbotalon1g 02-18-2010 08:05 AM

Re: 91 Galant VR4
 
Nice, that schneidermans place scale sucks, but as I type this I realize that you still might have the corner scales.

Goat Blower 02-18-2010 09:11 AM

Re: 91 Galant VR4
 
Nice work John. I especially love tig'd aluminum, delicious.


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