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Dunno if it'll help but it looks sexy. Need to figure out the small bits and a make a temporary mount...will probably have Primo powdercoat and/or make a more attractive plate later on.

http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/a...weldon2015.jpg

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whoah, nice!

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I'm close to buying a stock fuel hanger from a guy that is upgrading to a fuel cell. It's costing an arm & a leg, of course. Reverting the in-tank hanger to stock and dropping in a Jay Racing pump should solve my issues. That combined with the surge tank and Weldon should make for a solid setup.

Once I'm sure I have the hanger I'll have to look at AN-fitting adapters for the stock hanger, get another pump centering ring...and a bulk-head fitting for wiring. Since I don't have the stock electrical plug I'll have to rewire the hanger and feed the wiring out through another hole.

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I've never been so excited about an OEM part. The guy is sending me both the hanger and the wiring plug! So awesome.

I think I'm going to hold off on the Weldon install until after Proving Grounds. This will tell me for certain whether it was the Full Blown hanger and I might as well wait until real E85 is here for a retune.

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YAY OEM PARTS!

I am guessing the stock hangar will fix quite a bit.

Do you have a 255 in tank to fill the surge tanks? Or did you end up with the Jays racing one or something, I have lost track.

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I'll be throwing one of the Jay Racing 300lph pumps in it. In theory that should be adequate overkill since at 0-4psi they flow 425.

I ordered a fuel pressure gauge for the surge tank since I want to see if the -6an main tank return is being overwhelmed.

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The guy I bought the fuel hanger from has been incommunicado for a week now. Strange considering how he said he'd ship the moment he had the Paypal. :(

I keep hoping it'll be here when I get home.

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:(

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Probably time to cancel the paypal and tell him he can get it back when he decides to talk to you again.

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Yeah Spaz, I figure I'll wait until Friday because the item is rare and I need it. boo.

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Looks like it'll arrive on Thurs. UPS ground from CA to here always blows. I'll have that sucker in this weekend if all of the pieces are there.

Ran over to simulatedwood's place to work on my car and forgot the lug key in another one of my plastic bins. Fuuu...

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Found out that I'm leaking a fair bit of oil from the turbo oil supply line (banjo bolt on the motor side). I think I'll let RS Motors handle that one. If the line needs to be replaced then I've heard it isn't much fun due to the tight workspace on the turbo side.

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You probably just need 2 new crush washers. They should not be reused...but most people do.

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Yeah, just need to figure out what to buy. I think I saw a box of assorted crush washers at Northern Tool last week. Ron said the same thing about re-using them but I'm guessing that DB wouldn't do that.

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I discovered a leak on my car in the same spot just this past weekend. I gave it a 1/16th turn to torque it but if the leak persists, a new set of copper crushwashers will go in. It's a tight spot but w/o an undertray on all I needed was a 17mm socket on the end of my flexi ratchet and it fit right in. They are sometimes a small PITA when replacing the crushwashers because you have to re-align the banjo bolt. The bolt wants to go perfectly straight in the head of the feed line and if that is off-kilter even a little (which is easy to do) it will not want to thread into the block. The solution is to pull it back out and very carefully tweak the line itself so it is straight then try again. Oh, and oil drips out of it the whole time too :D

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I'm already loving and hating that SSP undertray. I wonder if it matters much for aerodynamics or not. Oh, well.

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I'm sure it helps with aero, no question. Maybe take the time to fit some dzus fasteners while you have it off :)

http://kurveygirl.com/shop/index.php?cPath=104

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Looks like they're about $3/ea. Not terrible but the tray probably requires a couple dozen. I'm not sure how they account for depth (if they are loose and allowed the tray to bounce then that won't work). I'll have to measure the D-rings that SSP sends for depth. The dzus at 12mm don't sound very deep relative to the stock holes.

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OEM parts! I undoubtedly overpaid for it but it's exactly what I needed and the guy gave me a nice amount of lead wire on the plug. fuck yes.

http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/a...tockhanger.jpg

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Yee haw!

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Glad you got what you needed!

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Now that I've inspected the stock hanger more closely, it's a rather elegant design. A part of the return fuel is used to create flow through a check valve at the lowest possible point. I'll genuinely be surprised if it doesn't solve my issue.

Scheides texted me saying that he was seeing identical symptoms...a 300lph pump isn't even enough for a BBX on E85...it leans out above 7k. That's why I ended up installing the BAP. It borders on nonsense how much pump the X needs for E85.

At this point I'm planning to get the stock hanger w/Jay Racing 340lph pump into the car. I'll test that on the road course at Proving Grounds next month. If Scheides ends up with the same results that I had (needing the BAP) then I'll proceed with installing the Weldon in July.

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That was the very first thing I noticed when I looked Scheides' hanger over.

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Those Mitsu engineers got something right; it's cool how things like the return can be designed to serve an important purpose. Hope this is the end of your fuel issues.

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I've been reading around about oil leaks and it seems like the most common place to leak is from the timing cover and a lot people mistakenly think it is coming from the turbo oil feed. Mine leaks more than a few drops so it probably is the oil feed.

http://forums.evolutionm.net/9280208-post159.html

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My timing cover leaked. I got it covered under warranty :) Even after cam install and E85 Fpred etc etc.

WARRANTY! DO IT!

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Decided to order a 1/4" tq wrench to snug up that oil line bolt. If that doesn't fix it then playing 'find the oil leak' will be my next adventure.

I got the stock fuel hanger half installed this evening (spent most of the afternoon hanging out with simulatedwood & Toothy while they did brake jobs). It is clear that the FB hanger does not sit on the bottom of the tank--I've always wondered about that and assume that the stock hanger is spring loaded for a reason.

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IF I remember right, the blaqops double pumper gets rid of the springs. It just uses good ole gravity and the weight of two pumps to get it to stay low.

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Gravity would be inadequate when the car is bouncing around. I doubt that they removed the spring since there'd be no good reason to.

In any case, I haz stock hanger.

http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/a...ckhanger-1.jpg

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FWIW if the initial torque doesn't fix it, replacing the crushwasher should still be the next step. When I installed an IX turbo on my VIII I accidentally got a teeeeny grain of sand on the fitting and after about a month or two I noticed a fine mist developing on components immediately around the feed banjo bolt. I took it off, could clearly see the grain of sand wedged into the copper, gah! Fresh washer and very careful to make sure all was clean and it was very clean from there on.

Woohoo!

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Why is the pump hanger thing able to move at all? shouldn't it be stationary in the tank at all times? Seems illogical to be moving around. One more part to cause problems.

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Definitely. On Wed I'll tighten it and spend a few minutes cleaning.

Not sure what Mitsu's reasoning was there. The X tank and hanger design is different than previous Evos.

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so... did it fix it?

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Won't know until Proving Grounds, which is my next track day. There's no way to drive the car that hard on the street.

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What about somewhere like 494/394 intersection where there's cloverleafs on all 4 corners? Go there late some night and keeeeep going right! Or wait, is the problem supposedly on hard left corners?

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I guess I'm spoiled with nice roads where I live. :)

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The working theory is that the surge tank holds ~45 seconds of fuel and after 6+ minutes of the tank sloshing in all directions, the surge tank was able to be emptied. The car has been solid on the street for a while now.

WOT for 6min while braking and turning would be pretty darn tough anywhere else.

Have you ever done road course? Sign up, man. The more Evos the merrier.

If some of you guys aren't busy then you should come over to the short course and at least hitch a ride. It's some addictive shit and it's nothing like the street, imo.

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I just hope you don't pay the money and time for a track day, and find out the issue is still there. Story of your car, right? :P

Good luck!

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My solution for all of the silly bolts on the SSP undertray.

http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/a.../cordscrew.jpg

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I've always wanted to, but I can't afford it at all. The amount of work I would have to take off, and to get everything totally "safe" for the track would already me too much. Then there's the price of actually going to an event too. lol