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Yea it was some damn good spool. I would've given up some spool for more top end though, which was why I got a tubular mani.

Here is the boost plot fyi.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...scan0005-1.jpg

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Sounds like I should get a 10 and join the cool kids.

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Here is where we ended today...it broke up ignition wise up top but then we had oil everywhere. My shop is thinking a line, fitting or maybe worst case scenario the crank seal. Basically something on the timing cover side, which is like everything, appears to have leaked oil onto the belts which flung oil all over. Car is still running good though and they need to get it all cleaned up and find the leak. Hopefully I have it back next week.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...annedImage.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...nedImage-2.jpg

We took it easy for the most part on the tune (don't need a repeat repeat). I think 6 degrees of timing at peak torque and 15 or so up top. The WGA seems to be a weak point here, it remind me of the FP 18psi. So I will be talking with MAP about that.

The turbo flows very well and can spool very well. We had to dial spool back A LOT!!!! We first saw 20psi at 3100 rpms, that is stock turbo spool. But we got compressor surge or something and had to dial mivec way back so you could even get enough fuel in there. It sucks a bit because I can't utilize the extra compression fully but oh well, its a nice setup I think.

Mainly all that is left on the tune is to fight the boost control to where we want it. We were aiming for 28psi.

PS: THANK YOU GOLDEN! We didn't have the newest omni 4bar scalings for psi boost control but got it off your website. You da man.

Game ON soon:)

OH! One more thing, Schiedes you should do an overlay (PRETTY PLEASE), here is my 500whp track tune before, and this is a straight e70 non pushing it tune.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...scan0006-1.jpg

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Here is an overlay

http://www.pauljohansen.com/DaveX.jpg

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Thank you sir! Most appreciated. So if I bumped up boost a bit this thing would really shine. But I like a running evo so I will stay where I am :)

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Good power, going to drive it this winter? That would suck to have it finished and then not be able to drive it more than a month. Also, good call on not pushing the car too far, reliability ftw.

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No winter driving anymore. I am too scared of some noob ass driver sliding on ice into my car and blamo dead!

I have my POS honda for winter now.

I also sold my winter tires and stock rims for my 1st motor build so to run in winter would cost me a lot of money, so no thanks. It makes driving the car all that more special when you take a break from it.

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Nice numbers man! Was it what you were expecting? Hopefully you get it back sooner rather than later, I would love to see this thing on the cruise. :)


Also, if you plan on owning the car for a while, you will thank yourself for not driving it in the winter when you go to work on it in about 5 years and don't have to fight rusty...umm....everything. haha

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I didn't really have any numbers in mind for this setup. I am happy though :) Or I should say I will be happy when I get it back.

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Woot! Congrats man! Sorry but I couldn't help myself. Two good setups, mine is conservative on the boost (~30psi) as well but I don't think I have much more headroom up top where as I'm thinking you probably have a ways to go :D

http://scheides.com/misc/pics/evox/o...-murlo-ef4.jpg

Hope you get that leak fixed and go have fun with it!

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I always love to look at overlays :)

I want to have fun with it, just gotta get the oil mess fixed haha. Yea we didn't really push it at all I don't think, 30ish psi is kinda a lot for the compression but not crazy imo. I think with a blouch wga like i had before this thing would pick up 3 psi everywhere and be beast mode.

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LOL 490 isn't already beast mode? :P

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Nope ;)

Oh also I let Shane know I would wait for real E85 to push it a bit more so this is a true straight E70 tune, so I think another 30whp is still in this on a not ragged tune but who knows.

I just want a nice flat boost curve, 28psi all the way out. The tapering shit that we get on stock frames for the X sucks. The 8/9's can hold way more out up top. I was hoping the open dump would help a bit with that to get rid of some back pressure but doesn't look like it.

PS. car is pretty loud now, lol.

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Holy shit your two cars make like the exact same power. Overlay of boost plots pretty plz? ;)

The EF4 seems pretty laggy, or is that just in the tune?

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Please do us all a collective favor and dont push your tune for a like a year. Mitsustyle sincerely would like to see your car at some meets and not getting worked on in the garage.

:cheer:

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Did you heavily pretension your WGA? Once Andrew did that his EF3 held boost MUCH better.

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We started with Shanes good mivec tables at first and I asked him after the first run, when did that hit 20psi and he replied, like 1800 rpms, lol :)

We had to dial mivec back big time in order to not get compressor surge or whatever we were getting. We could just not get enough fuel in there until it was slowed down. So yes, spool was slowed.

LOL, I hear ya, not planning on it anytime soon. I guess I didn't mean push it, but do an actual E85 tune vs. an E70 one.

The wga didn't have like any adjustment what so ever. There was only like 3 threads. Chris said they did that already at MAP for me so I didn't bother. I am not worried about it anyway. It is making awesome power already where its at.

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Actual E85 is available so rarely(limited timeframe), it seems like a waste to tune for it. Do you have a content monitor to know what your mixture is in your car at any given time?

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Nope, I would love the zeitronix one but its $$$$.

Honestly the only reason to retune for it is I am curious about the difference. I've seen some pretty big jumps.

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Just got word, car is fixed and ready to rock:) well Shane needs a bit more time with it.

Here is what Danny said:

Big mess! small easy fix!** There is a bolt/plug that goes into the timing cover just above the crank damper.* What I think it is is an access hole to see something with the Timing chain tensioner, (but you can't see anything).* That came out and that's where it was leaking.* Got a new plug in there and sealed it up and everything is dry.* I think the wetness I saw on the pan when I changed the oil was probably some oil that was running down from there as the plug backed out and then on the dyno there was enough vibration to cause it to work the rest of the way out.* The torque spec is pretty light on that, so I sealed it up and tightened it a bit tighter than what the spec is.* I don't foresee any other issues with it.*

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Glad to hear you got the oil leak fixed. Awesome numbers! Can you post up a boost plot. Would also like to see an overlay of scheides vs your current.

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NICE! So, game on for dyno day then? :D :D :D

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I posted my boost plot already.

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Maybe, but doubtful. Shane said he needs another two hours with it. So prolly won't happen until Monday. I'll let ya know though.

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Go back a page, they're both posted.

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To add to my overlay of our cars earlier:

My car peaks at 32psi, yours just barely touches 31.
http://scheides.com/misc/pics/evox/o...-ef4-31psi.jpg

So your car makes more torque down low with less boost and almost the same power midrange and up top with less boost! I'm impressed with your setup man--leave it and drive it! :D

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I'm impressed with the EF3 and EF4 so far! Maybe i should have tested the EF2...damn it :lol:

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This thing should be ready to rock for the cruise then eh? :D

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Got the car back tonight! It scared me when I went WOT, a great sign :)

The open dump is pretty loud, lol, but its not too terrible imo, we will see if I get sick of it.

Here are the final graphs.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...nedImage-3.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...nedImage-4.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...nedImage-5.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...nedImage-6.jpg

Yay!!!

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dayum...

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nice power on lower boost.

Just glad to see it running again. :D

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Thanks and yes I am glad it runs again as well, thats all I really want at this point, lol.

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Good god, epic! Just curious, what's WGDC at through the upper midrange and way up top? Any more boost left in it? Seems low but then I remember you have that extra .2L to make more power at less boost with :P

Fukin sweet powerband, looks SO strong up top! My car peaks around 7000-7200 and falls off ~30whp by the time it gets to 8300rpm, yours is preeetty damn flat from 6800-8500! Insane!

Remind me, are you still on the stock IM/TB?

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Also, what IDC are you peaking at?

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I attached a log for you. It's one I took today on the way home from DB on a 3rd gear pull after filling up with gas.

We were not maxing it out, I didn't want to push it anymore than we already did. The actuator was supposed to be a 1.7 bar one (roughly 24psi) but only held 19psi tapering to 16psi on wastegate boost so I think with a stronger spring it would hold more up top.

Yes, I am on stock IM/TB. Those are really the only future upgrades I have for power aside from t3 kit which will happen if I ever get bored.

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Not sure on this one.

You have to enter scaling into evoscan to log this right? I have never logged IDC.

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Holy crap, just looked at your logs. Timing is super conservative....then again you have higher compression so I guess that could skew my perception of what is acceptable. Tune looks very nice though.

IDC peaks at 91.9% @ 8000rpm.

WGDC is not maxed, so you probably have a bit more left in it.

You need to wire your wideband into your ecu.

You need to rip this until next year, perfect DD setup. Log it periodically, have some fun with it!

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Shane said yes it is conservative but he also said what you did, that with the higher compression this could be just "normal" for timing.

The log only goes out to 8000rpm on this pull and we tuned to 8800 and up there I think wgdc is maxed but I could be wrong.

Shane asked about the wideband already as well as he wants to see some transitional stuff on the road in between gears, he thinks I could be running a bit rich. I have my AEM wideband, I was planning to work on it this weekend and see if I can get it wired in.

Overall, I think the tune is a tad rich, tad low on boost and a little conservative on timing, basically exactly what I wanted :)

I am sure another 30whp could be had and quite a bit more torque with more boost and what not but for now I am happy.

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Looks good, Dave. I was up at DB yesterday when the final pulls were being done, sounds nice!

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Thanks bud!

On the dyno it just seemed loud and I thought sounded great, on the street the open dump seemed a little raspier and still loud.

I don't hate it by any means but it will take getting used to it.

It is only at WOT so its not so bad at all, but damn, its loud lol.