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scheides 06-03-2010 01:54 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
Hey one other idea, maybe the clamps from the pump outlet are loose, allowing pressure to escape back into the fuel tank? Or a ruptured hose?

mlomker 06-03-2010 02:14 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
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Originally Posted by scheides (Post 342872)
I say get a hobbs switch and try it that way, and if it still causes problems then plug the second opening and revert to single pump.

I'm wishing that I'd just gone Hobbs from the start. I didn't know that FB sold the Hobbs switches and whatnot until after paying BlaqOPs for their progressive setup. They advertised that as better than their Hobbs setup and I'm a sucker for gadgets, what can I say?

Dave has the same BlaqOPs pumps but in a stock fuel pump housing and with an afpr setup from MAP. The wrench that I threw into this was the FB hanger and I still have the stock fpr. The only thing about the FB hanger that weirds me out is the suction line setup, other than that it's just a couple holes for pushing gas so what could go wrong? lol.

I had the pump housing out and took it all apart last night to replace the primary pump, so the hoses are all good. I guess I could verify the hard-line connections underneath the car.

Murlo26 06-03-2010 02:53 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
I was going to say...mine seems to work out great.

The blaqops got me because a lot of X guys ran it with great reviews...i feel like mine worked out fine and seemed to work great.

scheides 06-03-2010 02:55 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
Not gonna lie, I probably woudl have bought the progressive kit too. I urged trevor to do so on his car! It's easy to say you wouldn't do it again now that you're having problems, have to just see what happens I guess.

Murlo26 06-03-2010 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by scheides (Post 342905)
Not gonna lie, I probably woudl have bought the progressive kit too. I urged trevor to do so on his car! It's easy to say you wouldn't do it again now that you're having problems, have to just see what happens I guess.

Like I said, i have seen it work perfect more times then not...but perhaps the sometimes i was getting backfires, possible misfires, was because of this kit.

Hopefully not what destroyed my motor??

mlomker 06-03-2010 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by scheides (Post 342905)
have to just see what happens I guess.

Yeah, it's just going to take some troubleshooting to isolate. My enemy is time...neither Shane nor I have very much. lol.

I ordered a couple new fuel pressure guages. I'll definitely leave my setup better than where it started, one way or another.

Murlo26 06-03-2010 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mlomker (Post 342913)
Yeah, it's just going to take some troubleshooting to isolate. My enemy is time...neither Shane nor I have very much. lol.

I ordered a couple new fuel pressure guages. I'll definitely leave my setup better than where it started, one way or another.

If you want to try switching my AFPR setup to your car for testing purposes you can also try that, i'd just prefer if Shane did it or one of their techs, lol. No offense to you, you can take it off, but id like him to put it back :)

My car is not moving so mind as well make use of parts from it to help troubleshoot...between us we could make a single functioning EVO!!

mlomker 06-03-2010 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Murlo26 (Post 342914)
My car is not moving so mind as well make use of parts from it to help troubleshoot...between us we could make a single functioning EVO!!

If it comes to that then I'm inclined to plumb in a setup for myself and leave it there. It'd just be one more thing that I hadn't planned on doing. lol.

I'd still like to take a peek at yours to see how they handled the hard-line connection. The pipe seemed a bit small to just clamp a 6AN hose on there.

Murlo26 06-03-2010 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by mlomker (Post 342919)
If it comes to that then I'm inclined to plumb in a setup for myself and leave it there. It'd just be one more thing that I hadn't planned on doing. lol.

LOL, ok, the offer is on the table...just trying to save you some bank.

FullBlown 06-03-2010 08:43 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
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Originally Posted by Murlo26 (Post 342903)
I was going to say...mine seems to work out great.

The blaqops got me because a lot of X guys ran it with great reviews...i feel like mine worked out fine and seemed to work great.

Are you the local guy who bought our hanger and had it shipped to blaqops?

mlomker 06-03-2010 08:48 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
Shane was able to figure out my power window problem. Woot! Now we're just down to that pesky fuel issue.

I just ordered $100 worth of fittings from Jegs for plumbing in my Aeromotive afpr. Not sure if I ordered all of the correct stuff...it's not the easiest task, especially without the car here at home to measure stuff. We will see!

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Originally Posted by FullBlown (Post 342969)
Are you the local guy who bought our hanger and had it shipped to blaqops?

That would be me. Murlo (Dave) has the same pumps but in the stock (plastic) hanger.

http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/a.../fullblown.jpg

FullBlown 06-03-2010 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by mlomker (Post 342847)
He has a controller box that runs off of boost. It controls a special 270lph Walbro that is designed to run progressive. Normally it'd turn on at 5psi or so and then it'll progressively ramp up to a cut-off psi, normally 15 (they are adjustable). They also do a simpler Hobbs kit with two GSS342's in it, which is what you mentioned.

I don't know what I'll try next if it wasn't the primary pump. Try to find a stock FPR to borrow from someone and swap it in, I suppose. After that I have to consider pulling your hanger and having BlaqOPs do their normal setup in a stock hanger. They said they'd help me with that for free and I've already got too much money into this fueling setup. <sigh>

Gotcha, another thing is that I highly doubt the suction assembly has anything to do with the erratic pressure. The suction assembly works off the return line and I see no way of getting backed up. The gss342 is a normally closed pump. If the second pump is not on, then it would just act as a check valve.

The first thing i would do since you have a progressive controller on there, is to bypass that controller by running straight 12 volts to the both pumps. Seems as though the progressive controller is pulsating the second pump. In all honesty, I would ditch the progressive controller. There is no need to progressively control intank fuel pumps. Progressively controlling pumps will help keep them cool. If you had a big external pump that whines like hell and heats up on the street, then I would install the progressive controller. Hope that helps a bit. LJ

mlomker 06-03-2010 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by FullBlown (Post 342971)
The gss342 is a normally closed pump. If the second pump is not on, then it would just act as a check valve.

So if it weren't powered then it wouldn't back-flow? If that's the case then I could install one in the second pump position and the hanger should operate okay as a single-pump setup...temporarily.

If I hear from Shane that the pump swap didn't help then I'm leaning toward installing a Hobbs switch setup.

FullBlown 06-03-2010 09:42 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
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Originally Posted by mlomker (Post 342974)
So if it weren't powered then it wouldn't back-flow? If that's the case then I could install one in the second pump position and the hanger should operate okay as a single-pump setup...temporarily.

If I hear from Shane that the pump swap didn't help then I'm leaning toward installing a Hobbs switch setup.


Yep, we have tested this in the vehicle and on the bench.

mlomker 06-04-2010 11:02 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
The pump swap didn't work. Shane said that scheides was going to be at DB on Saturday and he'd try swapping the fpr for me if there was time.

I have afpr parts on the way and am going to convert the setup to a dual GSS342 with the second pump on a Hobbs. Waiting to hear from BlaqOPs to see if they have one in stock, otherwise I'll source the switch locally.

scheides 06-05-2010 12:09 AM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
You can use anything of mine you need man! We'll try it. I also will stick a few things in your trunk, if that's ok :)

-Ferodo DS2500 EvoX pads
-ATE Super Blue
-2Gb MicroSD card (I should have a copy of the config file I've been on there, if not I'll email it to you)
-ODB2 cable extender. I ran mine from the stock plug location all the way under the center console to the armwrest, very slick!

Thanks again for loaning me stuff, I owe ya man!

turbotalon1g 06-05-2010 07:41 AM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
^He would so love to stick something in your trunk.

FullBlown 06-05-2010 02:18 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
Mike, make sure this is how your siphon piece is setup.

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p...k/DSCN0056.jpg

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p...k/DSCN0061.jpg

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p...k/DSCN0062.jpg

scheides 06-06-2010 01:03 AM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
Spent a lot of time on this thing today with shane and mike. I'll let lomker explain, but it is getting closer and closer :) Saw it rip off a good pull with the 1000's and a single pump, out of fuel at like 6800rpms and shane shut it down, and it was making damn awesome power.

311evo 06-06-2010 01:39 AM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
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Originally Posted by scheides (Post 343299)
Spent a lot of time on this thing today with shane and mike. I'll let lomker explain, but it is getting closer and closer :) Saw it rip off a good pull with the 1000's and a single pump, out of fuel at like 6800rpms and shane shut it down, and it was making damn awesome power.

Ooo! in for updates.


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