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Both naturally...but I typically don't go corner carving at all, I don't trust myself turning with the power I have and I am a pussy when it comes to getting sideways etc.

Freeway pulls and TnC happen plenty though but its nothing like a roadcourse would do.

I will say this, a broken turbo is a welcome change from a broken motor...that is a Saturday afternoon and some beer to fix minus the turbo cost.

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idk man, you made ~550whp @ MAP with the tubular on your old setup @30psi, maybe you'll make a little more with some tuning and such. Going beyond that is starting to push the setup....I am with shane on blowing the turbo, but at the same time if it makes the engine more efficient @ 30psi, then game on. Ultimately up to you.

I will say that my BBX fukin RIPS at 33psi but I really really don't want to push it so ~30 is all it'll see I think, I want to keep it together and healthy for a long time.

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I'd say 50% of your boost at a minimum, so 15lb spring for 30psi max boost. I'd probably go with a 20-25lb spring though, doesn't hurt.

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Well this time I will make a TON more at say 30psi as I now have 2.2L and 10:1 compression coming. I was honestly planning to run around 25-26psi and see where that gets me. I just wanted the external gate on the downpipe for if, probably when, I want to go crazy on E98 and max the setup out.

I am now a member of the I want a car that works for a long time and I can more or less beat up because I am not on the ragged edge.

Hmm, well my internal gates wastegate pressure is 21-22psi so i am guessing I want at least that. I'll have to consult with Shane.

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Wat? You just mentioned maxing your turbo out with that new set up and not caring if it blows up, yet you wanna be in the "have fun and don't break" club?

Do what ever makes ya happy, I would just like to see your car on the road more and worry about the extra 20whp later.

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This makes me think you should stay with just an internal WG and use one of FP's high pressure WGA's.

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Yes I would to, I was talking about when I get bored with the car down the road and do an E98 tune. It won't be this year I'll tell you that much. Doubtful even next year or ever maybe if I switch to a t3.

Obviously I am mis-communicating my intentions for the car at this point in time lol. I am going to run moderate boost on the car this time and try to just enjoy it. I am getting the MAP downpipe for sure and instead of buying it again later I figured why not get the external gate one now that will help keep boost nice and flat even though its lower.

EDIT:

Ok maybe I am changing too much yet again, lol. I am always trying to make the perfect setup and get carried away.

I think I'll just keep the AMS downpipe for now and not switch it out even. The extra displacement and compression should be plenty to increase the fun.

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Glad you are keeping it kinda the same for while, every open dump car I have been in, gets loudly annoying after about 2-3 minutes of driving. ;) So when are you saving your pennies to by that v8?

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http://www.mitsustyle.com/photopost/...um/deergod.jpg
You X guys change your mind about what setup to run more than Swifty used to!

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I am in an endless loop of doom as every time I want to sell the evo its broken and its almost impossible to get what its worth broken even minus the cost to fix so i have to fix it. Then its fixed and awesome again so I like it again...endless.

The car will have to stay working long enough for me to get tired of it and catch up on cash flow haha.

Indeed. I get bored with no car to drive so I spend my time thinking about how to make it better and add to it etc.

Then I am bored at work and I post about my ideas, sometimes silly and get feedback on it. Then usually you guys do a good job of talking sense into me. It works out :)

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Umm, yeah. Seems to me that just getting a bigger turbo makes more sense than fiddling with all this crap.

There are only a couple locals on their 3rd turbo. I'm done the moment my shit works.

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Cake and eat it too! That's what I want.

Like I said I think I am plenty happy at my power level. 550-600whp is a great place to be and I wasn't getting tired of it at all.

I just have to accept the power I make on the next rebuild and not push it. That will be my goal :)

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Well here are a few pics of my FPblack now that it is out.

I am thinking it is just fine but wanted to see what you guys think.

I need some anti-seize to get a few bolts out so I can get the inlet off to check the compressor wheel but everything looks fine. I didn't see oil anywhere in there and the exhaust wheel felt nice and tight and spins freely.

The last few pics are the FP oil feed line and then the filter. There was a little debris on the inlet but not a ton. It looks like it stopped a bit.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...Picture002.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...cture003-1.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...Picture001.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...cture008-1.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...cture007-1.jpg

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Looks good, rip it!

Or are you fixated on a bigger snail since Hollywood got that AMS kit? It sure looks purdy!

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Bigger snail, no! If anything I will rock another black or go back to a stock turbo to help with my funding. I am bleeding money on this car and need to stop. I am very tempted to run a stock turbo, very tempted. I'd give me another 1500 to pay for all the new oiling components and the new gasket set I need.

I thought it looked pretty good too.

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Forgot to update this with how the car sits :)

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...6/f72dec6b.jpg

On a side note, I sent my DW injectors to RC engineering today. I want an outside source to check them over before I send them to DW. It's an extra $50 bucks or something, but it will be worth it if they find something wrong with an injector, then I can throw it back in DW's face.

I would prefer the injectors test perfect though, then I don't have to deal with anything.

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You know Ravenworks in Maple Grove tests/cleans injectors too right? Might save you on shipping next time around :)

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Well I know now, lol.

Not the end of the world, but next I will for sure check local.

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Well I exchanged a few emails with Chris at MAP today.

Looks like I will be trying out one of their turbos on this 2.2 build :)

I am even more excited now, yay!

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Very nice! Which one?

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Take a guess :)

I figured it would be obvious lol.

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Knowing you and how you constantly change your mind, I'm going to guess EF4 :)

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A good guess indeed ;)

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I am tempted by the EF2...

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I am tempted by a smaller variant as well but with 2.2L's I think anything but the 4 will fall on its face.

Do it up though, join the EF club.

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Nice! I have high hopes but plenty of reservations too. It would be extremely cool to see a turbo that could make a solid 500whp at DB on a nice conservative tune and can last 100k miles doing it. Time will tell, good luck!

I was going to look but maybe I'll just ask, any idea what page your numbers are on for your 30psi daily tune?

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I hear ya, I am in the same boat. But I am hopeful and worst case scenario I sell the turbo and try something new. I think its worth a shot for sure though, seems promising.

Here you go, dd tune.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...scan0001-4.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...scan0002-4.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...scan0003-4.jpg

Remember I picked up like 25whp on the daily tune with the manifold swap though but this is what it made on the initial tune.

You should make an overlay Scheides, I'd be interested to see it vs. your new setup :)

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Were you just on 65?

Your driver's door looked damaged.

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I wish haha.

I am still at work and my car still has no motor :)

Unless you meant the Honda, which is of course here at work with me...or is it? Damn it! ;)

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Yup I definitely was thinking about that manifold in the back of my mind looking for this. So with the manifold seems like the black on your car should do closer to 480 w/o pushing things, that is a nice number :) I say if the MAP EF4 makes that on this kind of a tune, very cool. Rip it! :D

I'll do an overlay this weekend sometime.

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Overlays complete!

http://scheides.com/misc/pics/evox/o...-e85-32psi.jpg

http://scheides.com/misc/pics/evox/o...2psi-boost.jpg

Big difference between our setups is cams and tubular exhaust manifold I think eh? These are a LONG time apart so uber grains of salt needed, but the shapes of the curves say a lot. The BBX is obviously smaller and starting to be tapped out, the Black has a ways yet to go. Maybe my kelford cams help a little more down low, or maybe thats just turbo size showing its face. Either way, interesting to look at, I bet they are damn similar on the street!

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Nice, interesting graphs for sure. Thanks :)

The bbx is a solid performer for sure.

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YAY!

The last of the parts needed...well basically.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...6/dc9f28e4.jpg

I love new OEM parts...mmmmm.

All that's left is to sell my black and then pick up MAP's turbo for testing and some FIC 1680's so when I go E98 I have enough injector!

Parts make me happy!

In case you can't tell from the awesome pic, its a new OEM oil cooler, oil pump, gasket kit, and some mivec o-rings!

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Interesting to see the benefit of extra displacement the black on murlos spools just a quick as the smaller turbo on scheides which would see much less torque if he ran the black

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I am currently trying to sell the black, I'll be running a MAP turbo this time around more than likely, unless I can't find a good buyer for the black.

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Andrew - Those charts are from when Murlo had a 2.0L, he is currently building the 2.2L. The Black seemed to spool almost as quickly as the BBX, but look at how much sooner the BBX's torque came on vs. the Black's.

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Different cam setups for one and Scheides had real E85 which helps a bit. Both of which aren't huge differences in my mind.

Honestly, the big difference in my mind is the tubular manifold. The black wouldn't spool quite as fast with that in the comparison and would've picked up quite a bit of power/torque. I picked up like 25whp/15wtq just by bolting it on untuned.

With the tubular mani on there, for my car to reach 30ish psi the turbo would've been pushed a lot more and I think i would've made quite a bit more power. We will never know for sure now but the comparison is by no means perfect as Scheides said. I really wish I could've gotten the car tuned again by Shane before it had problems. Oh well.

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Heard back from RC Engineering today about my injectors, they all flowed right around 1390cc's at 43.5psi...so despite all the online shit talk about DW injectors mine work fine still I guess. I still want to upgrade to the FIC 1680's though for some headroom and mainly because I was getting some p0300's. The injectors all were within 1-2% so right on.

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Good to hear!

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What a shock, EXF nutswingers are wrong :)

DW's are the most commonly used injectors down here and I haven't heard of a single person having issues with them. The problem is everyone thinks they're a tuner and immediately blames everything but themselves when their cars run like shit and/or blow up.