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Grove creek is awesome, that's where I have done all my passes. You can literally do 50 runs a night if you want to, unlimited runs and there's usually not a whole shit load of cars there. It's also only $35 and they're lax on tech specs (cages, etc).

In one year, with the same mods and such I went from running consistent 8.3's to consisten 7.6-7.7's. I figure via the time slips I've seen, I'll need to run at least a 7.2 with the black to get the 10. I'm going to hit that 1/8th mile goal before I go to the 1/4.

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Interesting...maybe I will see you at the grove then :)

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I really want to hit it on the 28th so (if all goes well) I can hit up a 1/4 track in September. (specifically the 11th). We'll see what happens.

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Not sure if you talked to DB, but your block is back now, just got back like wednesday or thursday, so that's a start, lol.

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I ran consistent 7.22s in the 1/8th and 100-99mph. 11.1 on the 1/4 on those runs but I wasn't shifting to fifth, I opted to bounce off rev limiter at 8500 in 4th before the end of the track. Shifting to 5th the best was 11.3. I suck or am too much of a pussy and need to increase the rev limit to 8800. :D

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Yea you need more revs man :)

I am going for a 9k rev limit normal, maybe 9.3-9.5 for track if i need it :)

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Rumor has it. :) (crosses fingers. I can't wait to have it back!)

Hell yeah, so my estimate of <7.2 should be about correct. Asumming I might have a tiny bit more high end, I might be able to get away with a 7.2X. (and the whole 5 speed thing, haha)

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A black will mph better yeah but you should be able to cut 1.7x 60' which is nothing special, should put you in the 6.9s I would think pretty easily. A black isn't really laggy so the 1-2 shift should be easy to make without bogging.

Do you have a tranny that shifts?

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Oooo ooo i do i do!

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Yeah at grove creek I think my best was a 1.7, usually around 1.8. (on all season tires) If I run a 6.9 I'll poop. Everywhere.

The tranny.. thats my one iffy thing. We're putting in a 6-puck since I'm sick of having lock out. So hopefully my tranny will fair better than before, the only one that might be terrible is my shift to 4th (synchro is likely on its way out).

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Bumping this...

Well obviously I didn't get to run this year and won't until spring but I figured I would share what the general consensus is on the national forums.

Now AGAIN, i realize it will take some time to nail it down and I don't expect to do great the first time out, I just want to make a pass and I will go from there.

From other 1/4 times out of Evo X's, people making 450whp (DJ) have been hitting mid 11's pretty consistently. Basically people said I would have to suck immensely to not hit 10's and are they right? Maybe...with an extra 120whp over them you would think I could shave off another .5 seconds but who knows.

I basically told everyone in my build threads that my goal was 11's and I would be happy...and 10's are the overall goal after going a bunch.

I just find it funny how people on those forums think its so easy and people here think its so hard...the guy who ran 11.5 recently was his first time on his FPred too so now I am wondering is that guy really good, or maybe the X is just easy to drive, who knows.

The discrepancy between national and local is just comical to me I guess.

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The snow hasn't even flown yet, and the bench racing has already begun!!!

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National boards are full of know-it-alls and idiots. Local boards have them too but I think people are more honest and upfront locally as we somewhat know everyone and won't stand for the BS.

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This is exactly what I was talking about...lol, you guys are so dang negative. It's funny that if I even say 10 in a sentence you guys don't bother reading that I said I didn't plan to run that at all, but whatever.

I agree, I was just posting as I thought it was funny how different the boards mentality are.

I will say this, I fully think my car is 10's capable with someone that can drive after reviewing people that have gone 10's already in the X (i say this as I am giving my opinion on 500whp at DB running 10's, i think it is for sure possible)....if Ron came yesterday to Rockfalls and people were actually running i was gonna ask him to drive my car once or twice, but he didn't come and we got rained on, oh well.

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As far as I can tell, everyone on EvoXForums is the world's greatest street tuner and race driver...according to them anyway ;)

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It would appear that way, wherever i mentioned running 11's people literally thought i was dumb...i thought i was realistic. Honestly my first decent pass I expect to be high 12's maybe 13's if i suck it up.

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End of the day, run your own race.

FWIW I'd consider myself mediocre at best and was running pretty solid 12.5's@115 with 414whp dynojet and was able to get it down to 12.3@116. With more practice and technique coaching I think I could ultimately get it down to 12.2 and mayyyyyybe 12.1 if stretching it. Previous trip I was running 13.1@106 with ~310-320whp dynojet so I picked up 1.0sec/10mph with about 100whp.

So even pouring in race gas the car felt quite a bit quicker but I was only up ~35-40whp. I figure my car with 500whp and more practice would get me another .7sec/7mph or maybe .9/9 (mix in the law of diminishing gains?) and that would put me in the 11.5@125mph range. Throw in another 70whp and the math says that yea you're on the cusp of 10's. Go for gold, but again, run your own race.

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Did I say something about a 10 in that statement? Relax, there was no negativity or offense intended in what I said. Racing season is coming to a close, and bench racing season is starting, that's all I'm saying! We all do it, or have done it, chiilllll man!!!

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^I'd also consider myself medicore at best as well, especially without ever running down a real 1/4 for numbers like you have. I could very well be worse.

I was just saying my opinion on the matter, i think 500whp at DB is 10's capable with great driving. It is my overall goal and I will do what I need to in order to get there.

Shane and myself have been talking nitrous recently for help if I need it :)

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ricer....

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Sorry, it just seems everyone has been that way...if that is what you meant I apologize for jumping to conclusions.
Indeed it is winter, need something to keep us busy through the cold/dark times.

Hell yes...getting two of the big NOS tanks!

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:pc:

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lol@bench racing, i'm just sad I'm not able to make it, I was hoping to run some good times on teh stock IC setup so I could shut up the naysayers.

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awww thats a cute smiley.


hows the popcorn peter?? pass some my way this is gonna get good.

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lol. it's all good. I'd be happy still with at least a low 13 or a mid 12 in my car. 11s would be amazing, just the fact that I can say I drive an 11 second car all year round. I remember years ago, 13s were fast. 12s were insane. 11s were just insane. 11s and 12s were insane before the Evos and Sti's showed up....but that's what I've witnessed...yeah, i know those times are rediculously slow for professional drag racers but when you drive your 11 or 12 second car from here to the tracks, it's pretty insane. Ever since modern cars from the factory were hitting high-low 14s or faster, alot of people have been trying to aim faster. I'm just trying to drive my car daily :)

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^12s and 11s didn't really have too much to do with EVos and STIs, most of them were running 13s at the track when they first came out and thats modded.

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I think it's safe to say that 11sec cars are not low maintenance. It's a nice spot to be, though. What's the fastest car you guys have heard of on street tires? Are 10's even possible?

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10s are not a problem for normal street tires on an AWD car. 9s or faster are possible, but it starts getting much harder. You can run a 10 with 1.6s to 1.8s 60' times, which are normal for any street tire. Most guys in the 9s are usually pulling 1.5 60's or better, which usually takes some pretty good tires.

Having the power to run a 10 versus actually running a 10 is a gray area. It might only take in the high 300s awhp with a tiny quick spooling turbo and a very light car to run 10s. Or around 400awhp with a close to stock turbo spooling turbo. But the times might be 10.9@122mph for the tiny turbo car versus 10.9@132 for a bigger/laggier turbo. Both are a 10, but you are talking a good 100+whp difference in the same weight car and one would walk away from the other on the freeway. Some of the DSM automatics are running deep into the 9s trapping in the high 130s/low 140s, which would normally be 150+mph territory for the manual trans cars.

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I think most of the people on here ran on street tires, at least most of the normal poor people.

Nitrous isn't all that bad, you could still drive horribly like me and run a high ten but trap 140. haha

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^That would be this broke ni66a right here.

But i did start cutting consistent low 1.7/high 1.6s

Hmmm, nitrous one day we will be together.

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It seemed like half the cars at Rock Falls were on slicks. It is more of a luxury on the AWD cars, I guess.

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I was on street tires. Sumitumo HTR ZIII's. 235-45 if i recall right. And yeah my 60' times were usually in the 1.8-1.9 range. Big area for improvement, but I wanted street tires, and that was about as wide as I could fit without rubbing fenders and no coilovers. An evo if you can run some wider tires, probably would help a little.

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I run 275's dunlop star specs (very very good sticky street tire) all the way around...i think i should be able to cut a decent 60' with practice :)

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yeah. I'd say if you're able to cut a 1.6 on street tires then you're doing decent and should be a big thing to help you get there. The 60' time makes quite a difference.

Those are some decently wide tires so that should help a bit I'd think.

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275s all around is huge!

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I've only run street tires(not that sticky either), and I've reasonably consistently run low 1.7's, and a few high 1.6's. (235/40-17)

I'd venture to guess anything stickier then street tires in 275's in an AWD EVO = Finding weak links.. $$. Even with street tires, we'll see how it goes for these guys. Could get expensive fast.

There is more to running 10's or faster then just making power. Those who have tried, know this, those who haven't will know when they get there.

Racing in general is humbling(drag race, road race, whatever..) when you actually do it.

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Nah uh! making 600hp is a guaranteed 10 even when you get locked out of 2nd!!

















.... right?:lol:

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Yep, you get to find out which parts of your setup suck, both your car and you.

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Racing is a strong word for what most of us are doing. I'm just trying to keep my car from being bored. If it ran right then I'd be failing miserably...