Re: Where's Jake?
 

Thanks Winona locals for helping us out.

And since I know your going to read this Jake, do you not think that people won't travel over a thousand miles to look you up? It's not going to be pretty for you. I mean we do have you, your parent's, your girl friend's, and your shops address.

Get this stuff handled before this goes to the next level.

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the last post that I wrote did what it was intended to do. It brought Jake out of his hole and he wrote a half a page e-mail that said that he's strapped and is ready for anybody to come up there lol. He wants me to still send my head because thats what we agreed on three months ago before he started pulling this crap. I told him that I'm not sending it and that there is no reason for him to not send me my short block since it's already paid for.

He also said that he spoke with the sheriff that we talked to and said that since he is a mechanic that it would have to go to small claims court.

Jake, since I know 100% for sure your watching this post be a man and post a reply telling every body your side of story and face up to your responsibilities and get this stuff worked out.

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Jake, c'mon man, strapped and ready for anybody? This is not freaking Die Hard, and you are not freaking QPR. Please just come out from hiding, fill us in on what is going on with you, and stop this nonsense. We all want to see you around again, see your car at the track, dyno, or street, and move on from this nonsense. We all make mistakes and we all have been forgiven, I think if you just come clean people should at the very least pay you some respect and give you the opportunity to make things right.

It's not like you $1,000,000 in debt to a limb-removing loan shark or something man, these are freaking DSMs. Seriously, get the hell back on here, and lets end the sillyness.

And no more talk about guns please, that is freaking ridiculous.

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Does Jake build 2JZ's? I want him to build mine.

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What's Jakes email?

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Its Jake@vogelperformance.com ...

Strapped... Ha, nice wording. When you have people threatening to come beat your ass, I made it clear I have a CWP. Thats all I said.

I've been around, talked to Eric today and have no intensions of shipping anyones things until they are completed and paid for. Thats how I do business. DONE. If you dont like that, fuck off.

I felt as if I wasnt wanted here so why should I be posting this? I am finishing Erics car, Brian's motor is done and has been for a while, just waiting on final payment, so is JT's, just waiting on the head.

Mike (awd spyder guy), I've never sold you a magnus or ever had one in my life.

Kyle, I didnt know the turbo wasnt authentic, you looked at the damn thing before you gave me money.

I dont want to be part of a forum if I'm not wanted, its internet, I dont need it to survive, nor do I need forums. I am doing just fine without them.

I really dont have anything else to say. I'm not needed here so I'm done with the forum, you can delete my account, if you have anything to say, comment, you can contact me at my email account. I might reply.

Wanna come kick my ass or send me letters as well...

Jake Vogel
851 East 12th #201
Winona, MN 55987

Vogel Performance
6245A West 5th
Winona, MN 55987

Thanks and have a nice day.

Love,
Jake

ps. Glad to see I'm getting so much attention on the forums.

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pussy.

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Sounds like it.

I love the comment about that is how business is done, you don't have a clue how business *should* be done.

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QFT, What is his return policy... "After i get your parts done or not done pay me my money bitch". Great business ethics.
I have had a couple DSMs that i have worked on that i have just wanted to give up, but you didnt see me dodging the customer. Nah i muscled through it. The way you do business is not the way to gain peoples confidence.

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There, was that so hard? I say you do need forums, they are the community you are working for, and how you met your customers.

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Hey I vote we dont go bash jake because of what he posted. He finally complied with what we asked. Yea obviously he doesn't have the best business plan set out, but we can only learn from what happend. I'm going to continue to try and contact him personally about my issue via his email address. It seems like hes contacted a few people so I might as well try that way as well. But I just dont see the point in bashing him now.

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the reason why we are bashing him is because he pulled this shit 2 years ago with martin, and he was banned from that forum too... i think he MUST have a learning disability, because no matter what happens, he doesnt learn from the past, nor does he seem to think that any of us wont force a resolution upon him... hes going to get a very, very rude awakening soon, unless he has a change of heart very soon...

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I knew that last post of mine would make him slither out of his hole.

Now some of you local guys see what we have been dealing with for months now.

This is proof of what happens when you deal with immature people like Jake.
Something happens to where they get behind on their work and they think that if they just put it off that the problem will go away.

Jake- Why won't you answer my question of why you won't just send my short block, so you can do less work for the same amount of money?

Who in their right mind would send their $1500 head to you now after all this screwing around!

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Here is the latest e-mail from Jake.

"You guys can come, I figured you would visit, but just so you know, since I do know you are coming, until I get the head, the motor and timing parts will be somewhere that only I know about, same place brians motor is right now, I moved it when I found out that Eric was suppose to pick it up. You can come to my shop, do whatever you want. If you and brian want to be difficult, thats fine, I can play the game too. Remember who waited for who first. I have no problem waiting again since its paid in full already. So I guess I'll be seeing you soon. Bring the head, then I can install it on the block with the timing parts and ship it to you when its done. Your post didnt get my attention, just figured I'd email you with my address so you can come visit/send the letter.

Thanks

Jake Vogel
Jake@vogelperformance.com
507-313-1024"

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that is now theft sence it is moved out of the shop and in hiding now you can get the cops to do something sence you have email proff

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Wow, that is unreal man, I don't get the whole holier-than-thou attitude. Whatever.

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By Jake refusing to give back any parts or cars that is proven to be paid in full is actually theft on the individual property, as long as ownership can be proven if it goes to court. It's getting to the point where someone with a good lawyer could really make for some troubled times.

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I would have gone mafia style on his has and walked up with a camshaft ready to be inserted...
When the guy (revivedracing.com) screwed me out of my parts (magnus smim and other stuff) i drove over to his house with 3 other guys banging on his door and calling his girl. Well finally she picked up and made the mistake of telling me that he was in fact home and she was talking to him on the other line. I told her to tell him to come outside. Once he walked out and saw who i was with, i made him give me all the money he had on him. (which was around 400) and told him to give me the rest (another 600) by tonight or we are coming back. Well of course he didnt show so i went back with the same guys the next night and he had moved to Texas, bastard.
I hate fuckheads like Jake and thou who shall not be named, where instead of dealing with their problems they crawl inside a hole and hide like a little bitch.

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Is he being serious? Why would anyone in their right mind send "Vogel Performance" more parts after not contacting anybody for 2-3 months?

Seems like it's turning into some kind of game to me.

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Looks like it is time to send that email to the Sheriff and see what they think about it!

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Here is the most recent e-mail.

"HAHAHAHAHA I like the posts, this shit is amusing. Just so you know, if and when I decide to move your things, they will be brought to either my other shop or the office, so if you think that is theft, guess again. I am very careful with what I can and cant do. Trust me, I've learned this already. Both places are directly tied to Vogel Performance.

Jake Vogel
Jake@vogelperformance.com
507-313-1024"

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Nice to see he thinks it's a game. Get the law involved and get this over with.

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^Yo that's messed up. Have you tried calling him? If I were you I'd go to the shop and have him install the head that day. Granted yea that's kinda a pain in the ass for you to do, but hey if you want your stuff back that's what I'd do. i mean Jake isn't hiding really anymore.

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This is bullshit. I am ready to drive down there saturday after the dyno day.
Anyone else game? Phone calls only mean so much, someone show up at the sheriff's office in person.

It doesn't piss me off that he is pulling business from local shops, it pisses me off that he is fucking around with people in this community. Especially after the SHIT mike at QPR pulled.

Talk about getting my blood boiling.

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I find it amusing that pretty much after every new fact or piece of information comes up, the only thing that happens is people ask "well, have you tried calling him, or e-mailing him about it?" Put this in the hands of the proper authorities, or lawyers already......

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^Well Jake is obviously out of hiding now so that's why I brought up the point of trying to call him. What could go wrong with what I said earlier? The way I see it there are a few things we can do.

1) swanny approach: Storm down there and have a wicked sweet road trip on the way. Get there, not find Jake because he's hiding or something. Look around for a while and try to get into a locked house or garage and more than likely fail misrably. This could possibly lead to vandilization of some sort which puts us in trouble with the law just like jake.

2)We can continue trying to get the law involved. I've called a few times and as soon as they hear about car parts or w/e they think it's not a big deal (that's how it sounds to me at least). The only thing I see working with this is if we took the "send a letter" approach I brought up earlier.

3) We can simply try and call him again and if he doesn't answer he doesn't answer. Or if he does, we can discuss our issue with him one on one. Like I said before, 95turbogsx could arrange a meeting one on one in person so Jake might actually show. I would then stay in winona untill the job is done. In my case I'm just trying to remain calm now that jake is out of hiding and hope for the best.

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I call Jake at least once a day to see if just maybe he will stop pussin' out and talk man to man.

Getting the authorities involved has been an uphill battle because they keep saying it is a civil matter.

Getting a lawyer involved and going to court is exactly what Jake wants. He wants us to have to spend thousands more of our money just tom try and get what is rightfully ours.

I know that if he would be a man and answer his phone this stuff would get resolved. But he is just having fun watching the posts and replying by email to keep the fire going.

You and I both know Jake that this can be over with just by a phone call. You have my number!

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Jake thinks he's got everything under control, but he doesn't. I know legal shit with this than I really should. Someone directly involved should call a few firms and pony up that first hour rate to sit down with someone and get the info out there. You might be surprised on what options you have. Including people that will go after him for more than the satisfaction of getting your stuff back. Contact any CC companies you might have paid with, and PayPal if used.

I'll never respect anything that comes out of "Vogel Performance" due to this, and I'm just glad talks of site sponsorship never took off.

It's a shame things got here and I think everyone would think the best thing for Jake to do is just get ownership of parts and such paid for back in the hands of their owners and move past it. Not doing this is just fuck'n stupid.

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Small claims court is cheap. Everyone can file together for about $60 and for those who are out of state, they can have someone represent them.

Document everything and have all dates ready for display. Wouldnt hurt to talk to a lawyer either, I am sure a couple hour session could be had for a small fee and that could be split between those involved.


He thinks he is being smart or whatever but in the end he is just fucking himself.

No shop can hold parts/vehicles because the job isnt completed when it is paid in full. Now if funds were pending then he might have some sort argument but that is obviously not the case.

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Sweet, oh how about you read what I fucking posted and said you show up at the Police Departments DOOR and file a complaint in person.

It would be pointless to go to Jake's place.

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I still say just kick the kids ass. From the pics posted a while ago of his tube chassis, he looks like a little pussy. Then after you are done kicking the shit out of him, steal his keys and any money on him, then go to his shop, get your parts back, get your money back and then never talk to this fuck head again.
Never fuck over a dsmer.

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I have intentionally stayed away from this for as long as it has lasted and I fully intent to do so in the future. I do follow the thread and I don't know most of you guys, but I would like to make a few clarifications.

There were only two tube chassis cars in the shop. One is mine and that is the red 1992 GSX. The other one was Tim's and that is the black EVO VIII (It got sold today to the dude from the east coast that made over 1000HP). Jake's black car has an eleventeen point cage in it and that's that.


Now to Tim the dude with the avatar that has a flying EVO around a corner, and his lovely post #49 in this thread which says:

"Makes sense how these tube cars were being funded."

A big warm FUCK YOU !!!!!

The DSM was funded entirely and 100% by me. I parted a 10 second car only keeping the motor, which was enough for whatever you see on my project thread and a tig welder. Tim Russell & Katrina Kujak's EVO VIII was funded by them also. They parted and 04 EVO and all that was left of it was a shell.

Get your facts straight and then post. Jake is Jake and his business is his concern. I have not used a fucking cent from the money they have payed Jake for whatever services they have requested. In fact I have put up with more phone calls than probably the tuner shops with big balls take in a week, trying to be polite and not get involved.

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Exactly why people should just show up at the police station.
Shows intent and is much better than polite emails and random phone calls to people in the area.

Sorry for the crap your having to deal with Vassil, it isn't right.

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wow chill

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I was under the assumption that you, Jake, and Tim were all in the same shop, same business, etc...

This is just pathetic in every way possible and unfortunately for you, you are in the middle of it. My apologies.

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I was pretty cure the EVO and Vassil's project was their own deal, glad to see that be the case.

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well, it would appear as though jake is getting ready to climb back into his hole once again and refuse to tak to everyone... he has been promising eric that his car is going to be done soon, and i believe today was supposed to be the day that eric would pick up his "finished" car, but seeing as i havent heard much from eric, im assuming jake stopped answering his calls again,... this is getting really old, and i believe jake is being extremely childish about the whole situation. its annoying that if you want to talk to someone you made a huge investment with, the only way it MIGHT happen is if you drive 2000 miles, and then you have some possibly crazy (im rather convinced jake either has a mental disability, or more likely, is on some type of rather extreme drug such as meth) idiot yelling on and on about having guns...

and for all the people who KEEP saying the same shit over and over, yes i call him practically every day, and no i cant just drive over there after work or some shit, im 2000 miles away,...

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There's only going to be one way to end this... Talk to a fucking lawyer, and stop being so self-pitiful about yourselves. Man up, and do something real about this. YES, it does suck big balls that you dumped a bunch of money w/ this dude and are losing your asses now, but calling him, and e-mailing him bitching about it obviously isn't going to do any good anytime soon... Especially for the out of state guys that don't even have the option of just going down there. GET SOMEONE ELSE INVOLVED, weather it be local authorities, a civil lawyer, talk w/ your credit card company and paypal... Basically taking all the advice that's in this thread so far is your best bet at getting your shit back in a non-death filled way and getting this Jake dude back by getting him in hot water. Unless your down w/ the whole death thing, cause then we all know what to do ;) Best of luck

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I've talked to jake a couple times and he said I could have my money back or he could send me my injectors. He's gunna see if extremepsi could dropship them to me monday. He said he was going to call me and let me know the status. The way I've handled things with Jake is to be calm about it. But hey do what you want.

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Did the letter the Sheriff wanted get sent? I would be taking it up with them again to go further. It sounded like they were being helpful.