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The prelude isn't fast by any means, but it's a quick little car and somehow it keeps pullin way past redline. Anyways it's Not like a 210hp Car is that impressive either, Or a 225hp car. We are college kids with no money so shut the **** up.

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I suppose the ponies could carry it in the high end, but that's a serious lack of torque. And of course a stock DSM isn't much either. I guess I just wouldn't bother comparing.

And what's with the harshness 3? No need to be rude. I too am a broke as college student. ;) Trying to scrounge enough for a rebuild this winter...

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The thing that you have to look at it with the Honda's is how much power is actually being transmitted to the wheels. Honda has very little drivetrain loss compared to fwd and awd DSM's. The new Civic's are in the mid-90%'s for torque and HP. Their torque curves are very linear as well. A 190hp Honda will put down close to 180hp at the wheels. Where as a 190hp DSM awd will put about 150hp to the wheels. There is your difference right there. Plus, of course, the Prelude weighing slightly less.

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Actually they redid how the Mfg's have to rate HP and found some companies were rating low. Honda was one that was rating a bit high, toyota was WAY high and GM was actually rating a bit low.

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Nobody was rating "high" or "low", testing procedures and rules were changed. Everyone was previously testing within the rules. My guess is, the new procedures favor torque a bit more when calculating HP. Most Hondas lost about 3hp on paper (keep in mind that actual output has not changed)..

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With some losing up to 12 hp.

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Do you guys have a link to something with more info. It would be interesting to read about.

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http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosins...A01-283759.htm

What a shock, the SAE is chaired by a GM tech. The article is very pro-domestic anti-Japanese but there is a tiny bit of good info hidden within.

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Interesting read. So does it seem like the imports tended to upswing the estimates intentionally and the domestics underplayed them as stated or was it more of a method difference?

What do real world wheel dynos say?

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Real-world dynos say exactly the same as they did before, actual power output did not change at all. Basically the SAE closed a few loop-holes in the rules that the Japanese manufactuers were taking advantage of.

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I meant for power to the ground VS stated power? Were the imports showing comparitively weak numbers on the dyno due to over-estimates? Domestics better than expected? In essence, do the old or new stated numbers mean much when it comes to power to the ground?

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Not really since all dynos read differently and each car has a different % of powertrain loss. Its tough to compare results from one dyno to another while still remaining accurate.

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Yeah, I know that. I guess I'm not articulating my question very well. I'm tired.

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I own both those cars and i would tell you staight out that the DSM would take the prelude.

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I raced a Prelude in my old GSX a while back (the later year) and it pulled from me a bit from a roll. When we were at a light it was pretty even (he knew how to launch pretty well). On *paper* these things 0-60 are the same stock, I was running a bit higher boost and I think he had an aftermarket exhaust.

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The day after I got married, I was running around minneapolis returning the audio equipment from my wedding and taking care of shit before leaving town. My car was filled with speakers and amps and whatnot. As I'm driving on Broadway and turn onto University in N minneapolis, some kid in a prelude (newer one) is driving the opposite direction as me. He sticks his head out his window and yells something at me with an angry look on his face. I turn the corner, and he must have turned to, because he then appeared in front of me, and I pulled up next to him at the next light.

"What the hell did you say?"
"I, ahhh, well....like your....uh.....front mount"
"Good, because if you were saying something else, I was thinking I'd have to ask you what the hell your problem is. Since you didn't, we should be fine, eh?" When I meet up with Anna right afterwards, she is laughing like crazy and high-fiving me. Good times!

Anna is in her car behind me and hears all of this, she is giggling, I can see her. The light turns green, and I leave the light briskly, but not more than maybe half throttle. The kid steps on it, and I see him smiling as he catches up to me and starts to pass me. I hear his vtec kick in and realize that he's at WOT. So, I do what anyone else would in a DSM filled with stuff. I stepped on it and briskly put several *hundred* yards inbetween myself and him.

At the next light, he pulls up slowly, ashen look on his face and says, "dude, what turbo do you have in that thing?" To which I reply, "turbo?!? dude, this thing is N/A!" and then take off. :)

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haha! pwned son!

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So what do you call a CL type-S or a TL type-S??