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Who me? I have no reason to.

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Play nice.

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Picked the car up at DB and it ran like butt all the way home. Obviously not as bad as before the intake was scaled but similar wild AFR swings. It's a scary feeling every time the car goes lean during cruise.

I'm going to try to install a shield/wind deflector over the filter tonight. There isn't a lot of clearance in the engine bay so I think there will be some Dremeling involved.

Nope, you're welcome here. I think what Aaron was observing is that you don't make many posts that don't mention your own car.

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Don't you have the AMS intake shield?

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I do but it was never installed (I have a catch can where that would have mounted). I was also planning to sell that intake once things are sorted.

I bought a shiny one. I'll take a look at some options for affixing it to the intake, perhaps I'll cut it down.

http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/a...010/shield.jpg

http://www.spectreperformance.com/#CATALOG (part no 9730)
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One funny thing is that the car idles perfectly, as if it doesn't have cams. It's really rich at idle due to the honking injectors so maybe that has something to do with it.

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Winner!!

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Due to your clogged fuel filter? What's your next moved after installing the new fuel filter?

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The clean filter picked up 5psi but it still fell on its face.

My plan is afpr, BAP, and new fuel filter and then we'll try it again. That assumes I can figure out what's up with the intake (at least I assume that's the issue). I shouldn't be getting wild AFRs at cruise on the freeway. This intake did that when I drove it before it was scaled...it's better now but not close to good enough.

I have a fitting for the afpr setup ordered from Boomba and bought a BAP from DB today. I'll throw the BAP on this weekend. The other two when I have all the parts together.

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See above please.


Anyway, you trying to tune again soon?

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My goal is to drop it off on the 13th. The BAP looks like a cake install but I'm not as good with fuel lines and fittings.

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Looks like a blind monkey could install this thing. That is perfect for my skill level. :D

It's 40amp...total overkill but that's what DB stocks.

http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/a...202010/bap.jpg

I cut down my intake shield and I should have left it a 1/2" longer. Crap. I hope it helps anyway.

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if you dont mind me asking how much does DB charge for one of those?

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$275

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And worth every penny!

Good luck and hopefully you get everything figured out!

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Last night I got the afpr attached to the car after making a slight mod the bracket that simulatedwood had thrown together a while ago. I'll probably try to plumb it in next weekend.

http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/a...02010/afpr.jpg

Got the BAP installed early afternoon. Went out and did a pull and the car died in a fairly impressive way. Spent an hour troubleshooting and a support call to scheides but just had to replace the fuse for the fuel pump. It's a 20 amp fuse and the Bosch 044 at 17volts was probably trying to pull low 20's.

http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/a...2010/bap-1.jpg

For now I removed the step-up voltage feature. Not sure if I want to risk a larger fuse on that circuit or not. Maybe I need to find a properly sized resistor to turn the BAP down to 14-15 volts. Opinions?

The car continues to run poorly. P300's, o2 sensor slow, bank rich. I pull over to pull CEL codes once or twice on each drive. :(

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Throw a 30-amp fuse in it.

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I found a chart showing that the pump draws 17 amps from the BAP but the BAP needs almost 30 to work its magic. Given the gauge of the stock wiring, that's quite a draw...triple stock.

http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/a...BAP_on_044.jpg

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The stock pump gets closer to 14V with the engine running so you'll probably be doubling the amperage draw.

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Thanks Kracka. I ordered a couple assortment packs of fuses off Amazon. I'll revisit that when I get the parts for the afpr install.

The car issues are disturbing my Zen so I think I'll read this month's DSport and chill out today.

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Maybe not, I think there's an article on fuel pump setups in it:

http://forums.evolutionm.net/evo-x-e...acing-top.html

LOL!

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I believe there are spare fuses in the fuse box that you can use.

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I think it was 5,10, 20amp. I used the 20 when it blew.

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Drive your silly ass to Walmart and buy a big pack and throw a 30 in :)

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When you can get a 120-pack assortment from Amazon for $8 or a 6-pack at the convenience store for the same price then it seems like a no-brainer to me.

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I'm going to stop fucking around with the ID2000 injectors. It doesn't look they are ever going to be 'drivable' in any real sense. It's noticeably better now with the settings that Tephra has found but idling and not misfiring even 99% of the time will still result in endless CELs and embarrassment when the car dies in heavy traffic.

I have a set of DW1300's on the way.

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That sucks man :( Glad you're making progress though.

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Oh snap, I'll give you 100 bucks for those used 2000's.

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I'll leave it up to Shane whether we should give up on the 2k's. The 1300's would be easy to resell if I need to. I'd just like them on hand for my next visit to DB.

My problem is that the ID's and the intake seem to have turned one problem with my car into three.

1) AFR fluctuations at cruise that spike up into the 18's and cause the car to slow down, for lack of a better term. I assume this is a problem with the intake design since I experienced a similar (but more severe) version of that before the intake was scaled.

2) The car idles at 14.5-14.7afr on cold start but it idles at 13.2-13.4 the rest of the time (on my gauge). When I go to leave a stoplight the car bogs/stumbles/dies when trying to transition from 1k-2k rpms (where I normally let out the clutch).

If the injectors are too large to transition smoothly from idle then they have to go. If there's another table that can be tweaked for this then cool.

3) The fuel pressure drop above 7k rpms. I have a new fuel filter and BAP installed. An afpr should go in sometime this week. Not sure if this stuff will solve it but it's the last reasonable set of things to do before ripping the Full Blown system out.

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That sucks, I have only heard good things about the ID injectors besides them possibly having issues on your car.

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There are threads saying that the DW1300's have identical problems...hunting AFRs at cruise, etc. The problem may very well be the Evo X ECU. Shane has said that they tune perfectly on an AEM and the ID1000 and DW1000's are universally considered to work perfectly on the X.

http://forums.evolutionm.net/evo-x-e...ml#post8489599

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Crazy. Are you presently needing 2000cc of injector? I guess if not, don't use 'em.

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Several people have tuned the DW1300's to work fine, so I think they CAN work, but it might take some time.

Do you maybe have that issue with your return line that I think a few people saw? Or maybe that was just the in tank line for filling the pump setup...can't remember now.

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Not at all. I bought them because the choices at the time were 1k or 2k...there was nothing in-between on the X.

Bryan@GST has commented that some sets work and some don't...QA might be spotty. I don't have the funds for a lot of Shane's time right now.

He sent me an email suggesting that we swap the 1000's back in so that I can verify that the intake is 100%. That seemed like a good idea. I'm going to try to do that this week. I just need to get one of the ROMs that he used on the dyno.

That was the return line filter plugging up in the stock hanger. BlaqOPs removed yours and I don't have a stock hanger.

That problem causes excessive fuel pressure until the pump burns out. I'd be THRILLED to have excessive pressure right now, for any reason. haha.

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I've heard spotty things on the DW1300's as well, so I'll be curious to see how you like them; the weirdest problem being that they're loud. I've never had loud injectors until I put in the dw800's and if the dw1300's are excessively loud that is just plain weird to me!

They seem like the right size to get though so I wouldn't be afraid to use them. So this is now your 4th set of injectors? Goddamn, might as well build a custom IM that supports 4x fuel rails to round off your mammoth fueling system :D

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FML buddy. Over $2k in injectors now. Hope the DW1300's work out so I can sell the others! I can't hear injectors over my pumps. lol.

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I think the DW1300's will work honestly. Should you be a little nervous...with your luck lately, sure, lol.

But I trust DW, I know people have gotten them to work, so I think Shane can get them to work.

You should be able to recoup most of the ID cost I would think, even used those have to be worth 500+. And the DW1000's are popular, so those should be an easy sell.

Yea you will lose out on some but in the end it will work out hopefully.

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Yeah, and Shane thought the ID's would be fine too. Per usual there isn't anything assured when it comes to 1000cc+ injectors so we're rolling the dice.

I'm not changing anything on this car if we ever get it to run right.

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I don't blame you and think this is a great idea!

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I'm going to ditch the PLX OBDII gauge that I'd purchased. I determined that when it is connected to the ECU that the NAV doesn't work. It doesn't provide information that is useful when driving hard and it doesn't log so it's a waste of time. I think I'll just get Tactrix logging set up like scheides does (hopefully that doesnt F with the NAV).

I'm going to put a Prosport fuel pressure gauge in that second pod.

http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/a...fuelpress2.jpg

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Swapped my injectors in DB's parking lot this evening. The DW1000's brought the car back to life. The AFRs are still wild at cruise. Either it's the intake or my stock fpr isn't doing it's job anymore.

I think I'll leave the intake on if it doesn't cause CELs to be thrown.

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Confimed NAV works great with the tactrix logging. :)

Sorry to here about all your issues, be patient, it will all work out. If you need any help troubleshooting, i am willing to help however I can. (I.e. logging or whatever)