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That's cool, I like just being able to get in a normal car and not think about it.
Good luck.

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More boost and let er buck :)

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Bummer Doode!

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I like this idea.

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Fun day! Swung out to MAP's new shop to pick up a small pile of parts and then up to Wagemon's to drop most of them off. MAP & Wag's really came through for me--I yanked the head wednesday night and delivered it Thursday, and as of 5pm today (Friday) the head was cleaned up and back in my hands :)

Here's what we figured out: valves and seats appear to be prematurely worn. All 8 exhaust valves were bent, just slightly. Lots of valves prematurely worn on the stem end. Spring seats are all deformed slightly, bending down all around the outside edge.

http://i.imgur.com/Jaw37l.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/kG7Odl.jpg

Out with the 'old':
http://i.imgur.com/mpkkgl.jpg

In with the new parts:
-GSC 5042 Beehive valvespring/retainer kit
-8 new Supertech +1mm intake valves
-8 new Supertech +1mm exhaust valves
-16 new OEM valve seals/spring seats.

More bad news? One of my cam journals shows signs of slight scoring. They believe one cam cap is slightly out of round due to my dumb-ass over-torquing the cam cap bolts with an inaccurate torque wrench (read: buy good tools and the right tools!) This cam cap is also over-drilled and double-helicoiled thanks to yours truely and really the only fix for all of this is a full line hone or a new head core. I'm in over my head here so I have no choice but to trust what I'm being told, and I don't like what I'm being told :(

I had a set of GSC S2 cams ready to drop in but I couldn't bring myself to risk them. I asked them to just put the Kelford 214-B's back in and clean it up as best they could.

For those keeping track, here's where we're at:
-head trashed (but usable)
-block trashed (but fixable with sleeving)
-FML.

So yea, gonna be big decision time pretty soon here but for now I'm off to drink a case of Grain Belt and then put the car back together in the morning.

I got a nice set of MAP's H11 headstuds; these things are bad-ass! Anyone interested in a lightly-used set of ARP headstuds for CHEAP let me know!
http://i.imgur.com/V4rr2l.jpg

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Sorry dood. :(

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Ouch. Stop by work tomorrow and I'll stop by your garage after, deal?

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:(

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Get together and running good. Then sell and buy godzilla.

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Like.


But the rest sucks man. Do you thing the over tightening of the cam cap caused all of this then? Why bring the stuff to Wagamon and not have MAP do it? idk, Wagamon fucked up a motor of mine so I'm just not a big fan of them.

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Did you get it back together this weekend?

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Hell yea! JUST got back from ripping around the neighborhood. Total, about 4 hours apart, couple hours (ok like 4) of cleaning and getting parts run around, maybe about 6 hours to get it back together. I made a few boneheaded mistakes but hey I caught them before it was too late :)

Yanked the cams to bolt the head to the block (dumb design imho but whatever):

http://www.scheides.com/albums/evox-...3421.sized.jpg

Freshy fresh:
http://www.scheides.com/albums/evox-...3422.sized.jpg

found a few nicks in the headgasket I got, not sure if that was from me or mitsu or what but I sure wish they would put these things in cardboard packaging, would be worth the extra $5 cost imho
http://www.scheides.com/albums/evox-...3423.sized.jpg

I cleaned it up as best I could and used it anyways, it looks worse than it is I think.
http://www.scheides.com/albums/evox-...3424.sized.jpg

gasket on, head bolted down, cams bolted in, gears on, timing chain mounted and timing set, chain tensioner set(this was one of my oopsies, put it in but forgot to tighten the bolts! doh!), and timing cover cleaned, RTV'd, installed, uninstalled, re-rtv'd, and re-installed :D

http://www.scheides.com/albums/evox-...3426.sized.jpg

More freshy-fresh parts! I put in the revised timing chain from the 2010's:
http://www.scheides.com/albums/evox-...3425.sized.jpg

New on the left (mounted), old one on the right:
http://www.scheides.com/albums/evox-...3427.sized.jpg

After all the belt problems I had, bought a new tensioner and pulley. The pulley was like $65 and the tensioner + pulley was only like $30 more so I just got the whole assembly (still plastic but goes nice with my nice metal hyundai pulleys!)
http://www.scheides.com/albums/evox-...3428.sized.jpg


So that's about it! Fired right up, no leaks yet, changed oil, fresh coolant, ripped it around the block a few times and parked it. Undertray, heat shields, and strut tower go back on tomorrow and it's back to DD duty for this pig. Car still sounds kinda diesely on cold start (but it always has a little) so its part injectors and maybe the rings on #1 are part of the problem. I'll just check the oil every 100 miles (as I have been all fall) and see what happens. Gonna check logs (did some quick pulls but with all the snow there's no traction!) and drink a beer.

THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR YOUR INPUT! Thank you MAP for the parts and coordinating with Wagemon Bros machine shop, total downtime was only *three* days, not bad!

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Did you have to mess with checking clearances on bucket to cams on these cars? The 2jz's are the same whee you have to remove the cams to install the headstuds as well.

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Nice, and good choice on the GSC springs :)

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Yup. I did it myself last time and it took two weeks (had to order a bunch of different ones). I let the machine shop do it this time and it took two hours. :P

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Honestly GSC Beehives and GSC S2 cams were my first choice for this car but they were on *uber* backorder so I went with the Supertechs based on a few recommendations and the Kelfords kinda the same. I had Kelford 272's in my evo8 so I knew they would be decent, but considering they idle *almost* like stock and are only 270° / 262° (exhaust cam is only 10.3mm of lift!) but make 600whp on a dynojet I gotta say I'm pretty damn impressed. I was pumped to go to the S2's and hope to pick up 15-20whp or so but maybe I'd be just dreaming. This setup was real nice, I'm sorry I had to mess with it but I'm glad I got the beehives now!

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:woot:

Glad to here it's alive again! Way to bring in the new year!

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That's awesome it was only down for 3 days!


Think you'll do some even crazier build down the line sometime?

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Glad to hear its up and running!

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Or trade me for my ix

Really glad to see you got it back together, good work too!

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plus juan

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Put about 80 miles on it yesterday, no issues other than I need to gap my plugs down a tad. Car fucking rips! Everything else just seems like a compromise to this car. For a lot of reasons I'm stuck with only one car so the whole summer/winter car is really not an option for me. Everything else is more expensive, only RWD, or doesn't have near the power potential.

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James was saying last night that what surprised him the most wasn't how much power it has, but just how smooth it was. He said he'd never have considered a X but now it's for sure on his list of cars that he'd be willing to own based on sheer streetability with that kind of power.

You done good, sir.

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Compression, leakdown, and cam bucket measuring tonight. Remember Cyl#1 had the light broken spark plug damage to it:

Compression: 134 149 135 145

Leakdown: 30% 20% 20% 15% (cheap harbor freight tool--#1 def leaking past rings, but not horribly)

Head clearances (specs are intake .008 exhaust .012 both +/- 1):
Exhaust: (.009 | .009) (.010 | .011) (.010 | .011) (.011 | .012)
Intake: (.005 | .007) (.010 | .009) (.007 | .007) (.008 | .006)

After 120 miles no leaks, oil consumption is nil, and spark plug #1 looks ready for misfire (lots of carbon build-up probably from before head rebuild?). Happy-ish with compression, leakdown is not so bad but still makes me sad, and head clearances are not perfect but not horrible. I think next time I will request they end up more on the loose side but its fine for now.

Time for a little virtual dyno (if the snow melts) and moar boost, we'll see how she runs (snow or no snow) through the rest of the winter. She's not perfect, but fuck it--it's a DSM! :P

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Why is it a DSM?

It's not some old sports car that everyone beats the fuck out of and then is all surprised and cries when it breaks.

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Scheides you are a beast! I couldnt handle this much work on a regular basis haha. Also whats wrong with rwd! :D Get a cheap old vw for DD and a fun veeight summer car.

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Only 2 of 16 valves are [barely] within spec...is the machine shop going to take any responsibility for this?

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Yeah, the exhaust is WAY out of spec.

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Only one car for me! Some day when I have a bigger house, less expenses, etc I'll consider it but not gonna happen where I live now. Leaving a car outside for a few nights is no biggie but over time stupid shit happens in the city.

I'll talk to MAP and see what they want to do, I'm not super impressed but with everything else going on in my life I'm just kinda done worrying about it.

Tell that to murlo, trogdor or any other evoX owner (or me 2 years ago when the motor threw a ringland). :P

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fuck! Just noticed I had intake/exhaust values reversed in my post. Please review :) They're not *that* bad.

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Hey, now 7 of 16 are within spec. We're almost halfway there :p

IMO, machine shop owes you a redo, or a refund. I assume of course they had everything needed to properly measure/machine to these specs though? It's too bad MAP didn't have their machining equipment up and operational, unlucky timing for your vacation and their move :(

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Any reason you had wagamon do it and not gosh? just curious

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I probably shouldn't speak for Scheides, but I think it was basically who ever could get it done ASAP same/next day.

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Yip. Gosh is da bomb, cards just fell another way this time.

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The clearance numbers are a bit on the tight side, may burn some valves if you are not careful.

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He really is, I kept trying to make it over to help with the head but never found time and he just hammered it out, I did make it over to help with the testing and checking last night though.

Haha, you did the same thing I did last night. Silly back-asswards 4B11.

That plug had a ton of deposits on it, looked like ash to me, probably a symptom of your #1 oil consumption.

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So, quick update on the X. Been driving it daily since January and VDR shows 580whp dynojet at 29psi and 600whp at 30 so the head is healthy and the motor is strong, but if you recall last fall I found this:

http://www.scheides.com/albums/evoX/IMG_3092.sized.jpg

and when I pulled the head off for the rebuild I found this:

http://www.scheides.com/albums/evox-...3407.sized.jpg

After getting the head rebuild and the car running again, the car has continued to burn more and more oil. Let'R buck has been my motto for a while but its gotten to 1 quart every 300 miles, even with driving nice. There's been several times that I'm getting ignition cutout from what I can only assume is excess oil in the cylinder and crank case pressure. I added a recirculation nipple on my intake for crank case vacuum but it made no difference.

http://www.scheides.com/albums/evoX/AijEUVS.sized.jpg

http://www.scheides.com/albums/evoX/uUmvbyX.sized.jpg


Talked to MAP over the last few weeks and decided to just pull the trigger on getting this thing fixed: Ordered an 100% new OEM Shortblock that will keep the stock crank, receive MAP Ultimate duty rods, and wiseco standard bore pistons. This will basically be identical to my existing engine but no overbore and Wiseco's instead of JE's.

In May I plan on doing is yanking the longblock/trans and swapping everything over to the new shortblock, and drop it back in with fresh gaskets and a fresh clutch disc. What I'll have leftover will be an epic deal for someone: a sleevable core with a good crank, strong rods, and good pistons. One piston does have a small pit in it but I plan on disassembling the whole thing so the buyer knows exactly what they're getting into. A sleeved 2.0 setup is a solid $6k with core and if I can get $2k for mine someone will have one for more like $4k.

Side story, I'm tired of the Rotas. LOVE them, but when I put my OEM wheels on for winter I just really like how the car sits with them, very simple looking. KISS. Mine are beat to hell from the previous owner, so I found a clean set and will be rocking these this summer.

http://www.scheides.com/albums/evoX/a03NHWQ.sized.jpg

http://www.scheides.com/albums/evoX/aw19FiZ.sized.jpg


My plan is to have the motor broken-in and issues all sorted by June and ready for kicking arse at Proving Grounds. No stupid wastegate or clutch issues this year, just going fast. As excited as I am for this, I am laid-up out in Montana after a 46-mph (thank you gps) ski crash and a trashed ACL in my left knee. Shifting or even leaving from a stop is not going to be my strong suit for a while, so...who knows what the eff will happen.

Word to your moms.

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Not seeing pics

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What pics? All of them or do you think there's magically pics of the shortblock I don't have yet in here? :)

So, fun fact. I literally just posted this and I got the word from MAP: motor is done! Eff, now to figure out how to get this thing in with a bum leg...

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None that you reference in your post, none are showing up for me, maybe its just me.

Nice, glad your motor is done already!