Re: Goodhart's budget beater 1g
 

About $60 between the Race and the Aluglide. About $35 difference between the King bearings and ACL race, and $30 between the Clevite's (which I've used in the past with luck) and ACL Race.

The thing is, I know ACL Race bearings work well in our motors, but it seems as though everything else does as well!

Re: Goodhart's budget beater 1g
 

Bah, regular Clevites and Kings work just fine for that. Just make sure you clean up the edges if going with Clevites, they can have an edge on them.

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I've decided on King's. They will be ordered in the morning. :D

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Clevite, for me. I have been running stock spec ones on eagle rods for years and I am not nice to my car at all.. I cant blow it up for some reason.. I would recommend them unless you are going with a full build.

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Got a little bit done today. My mission was to get both my engines torn down to bare blocks. I got one done, then the other about 70% of the way. My impact took a shit, so it slowed me down, then I called it a day shortly after.

Couldn't get the damn front motor mount bracket off the old motor, didn't want to break it off in the block and the impact died so I left it. The block can be used as a core, the crank may need to be polished, I'd like a more expert opinion on it first I guess.

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This is how I left the 2nd motor. It's a good thing I decided to dig into it though, because as soon as I hit the balance shaft nut to take my sprocket off with my ratchet the belt disintegrated. That would have been a bad time. I also found some debris in the oil pan and found that the engine had one bad bearing as well, it was down the the copper in one little strip down the middle, looked to be from contamination maybe.

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Got some parts in the last week. :)

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Also found out the motor I picked up this spring came with straight cut oil pump gears. Bonus! Should work well with my OEM balance shaft eliminator stub shaft

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I re-wired my brother's parts cleaner the other day and got that running again. Got some new solvent in it, and it works tits! Now I will be cleaning the crap out of everything for a while. Plan on pressure washing my block this weekend, maybe get it honed as well.

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Well, last weekend little Chang and I got the motor all pressure washed and cleaned up and ready to hone. I grabbed a dingle ball hone from a member tonight and will probably get to it some time in the next couple weeks. So busy lately.

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Also, because I got such a smokin deal on these that I couldn't pass them up, I picked up some Evo 8 Enkei wheels this afternoon from Felipe. They could use some powdercoat, but eh, this things a beater!

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Re: Goodhart's budget beater 1g
 

trade ya rims lol. I need more friends I always see um for 800 wtf

Re: Goodhart's budget beater 1g
 

Ha! Hell no, nowhere near 800 for these!

Once I hone the block I am taking it in to get hot tanked then it should be ready for paint and assembly.

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I cant wait for you to have this on the road!

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WTF really? I have seen several sets here for $400 or less.

Goodhart, going to bring this on the Fall cruise? :nod:

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Let me know when it's assembly time.

Re: Goodhart's budget beater 1g
 

No way it would be ready by the fall cruise. I also paid way less than $400 for these. :D

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Got a little work done on the motor this weekend.

Got the block hot tanked by Gosh Tuesday, picked it up on Thursday. While I was there I got a quote from John for my head and he said it would be cheaper if I took the valves out myself since they have to be taken out to resurface it. I had checked the flatness with my feeler gauges this week also, and it has a warped spot that is about .008" off, and another spot that is about .006" off. The service limit is .008" so I decided to just have it re-surfaced to be on the safe side.


When I was in the area I picked up a bad ass valve spring compressor tool from Ling Ling. Thanks again for that man, it made quick work of taking the head apart! I also picked up some other supplies I will be needing.

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Getting the valves out:
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Bought a cheap tackle box tray to keep everything organized:
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Also measured the head thickness and found it is still a virgin head. Good thing since it will need at least .006-.007" taken off I am thinking.
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Also got my my block all painted up. I went with regular parts store dupli-color low gloss black. One can ended up being enough, worked pretty well.
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Bagged it all up until it can be put together:
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So I've been watching a ton of Jafromobile videos on youtube and this is something that he did in one of them. Good thing I checked into it too, it ended up being worth my time.

Check out the cast flashing here about to fall off:
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Barely tapped it with a screwdriver and it fell right off:
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End result:
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Here is the pile I got from the whole head:
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Also dug out all the rtv from the valve cover bolt holes:
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Next up was doing the head oil port mod. Got out the die grinder and used an old head gasket for a template so I wouldn't screw up the head surface, I used a couple head bolts to keep the gasket put:
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I also wanted to drill out the head bolt holes to 1/2" to accommodate the bigger 1g head bolts, and tap and plug the egr hole on the intake side of the head, but couldn't find a drill bit long enough for the press and I don't have a 1/4" npt tap for the egr. The local hardware store wanted $8 for a 1/4 npt tap and didn't have the style plug I wanted so I will just have Gosh do those two things for me.

My list of things for Gosh to do to the head:

- Bore head bolt holes to 1/2"
- Tap and plug EGR hole
- Re-surface
- Hot tank

Re: Goodhart's budget beater 1g
 

I also have that valve spring tool. Makes life so much easier!

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Nice work, especially on the head material. That would suck to have the whole thing built and have crap start flaking off into motor.

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Maybe I missed it but are you going to run aftermarket valve train components or stick with the stock stuff? Block looks nice!

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Just use a 1/2" bit and still by hand.

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Probably stock stuff for now unless I can get a good deal on some Evo springs and retainers.


Brown- I don't want to fuck it up. I don't think John will charge much anyways. He only quoted me $60 for a re-surface and hot tank. I will be asking him before I drop it off and see how much he says.

As far as tapping and plugging the egr, I would have been spending more money buying the tools to do it myself than I would having him do it.

Re: Goodhart's budget beater 1g
 

You actually want to use a reamer. You can use it in a hand drill and will follow the current holes very closely.

http://www.amazon.com/HSS-Chucking-R...%2F2%22+reamer

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Well I've done it by hand twice before with no issues, but obviously it's up to you.

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It really isn't that expensive to have it done. I mean, since it's there one might as well have it done with precision.

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That casting flash really isn't a big deal because there's nothing knocking it around up there. I do end up cleaning up the oil and coolant ports on blocks just for good measure, but not regular flash inside the head or block. Never hurts though.

Re: Goodhart's budget beater 1g
 

So, I will be putting together most of the shortblock on Friday with Kerry. Quick question, what do some of the experienced builders on here suggest for piston ring end gap?

Stock spec is as follows:

No. 1 0.25-0.40 mm (.0098-.0157 in.)
No.2 0.20-0.35 mm (.0079-.0138 in.)
Oil 0.20-0.70 mm (.0079-.0276 in.)

Limit:
No. 1, No.2 0.8 mm (.031 in.)
Oil 1.0 mm (.039 in.)


Now, I plan on running lots of boost from the 16g and possibly nitrous down the road. I know that more heat/boost/timing/etc = wider gap. My question is how wide?

I have read from a few builds on here that .018 and .021 work well for a higher boost motor.


Thoughts? Steve? John? Swanny? Shane?

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Anyone? I'll be assembling this thing tomorrow.

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On my 2.3 rebuild I gapped my top ring 21 thousands or so, and while compression was decent (170-175 across), I got more blowby then I was happy with for a DD. If I were to do it again I'd go in the 16-18 range unless you are shooting for more than 500whp. But I'm not a motor builder, so take it with a grain of salt.

Re: Goodhart's budget beater 1g
 

Yea, I won't be seeing 500 whp any time soon, just a 16g.

Also, what compression pistons were you using? Mine will only be stock 7.8:1

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9:1 Ross pistons. My stock 2g motor was 180-185 with the same tester. I think I could have had the same numbers if I had gapped them tighter, plus I didn't have a ring filer, just by hand so it was a sub-par job to say the least.

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You remember what the second ring was gapped to? Seems like a huge debate on whether to gap the second ring tighter or looser than the top.

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Sorry, don't remember.

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On our honda, the second ring was looser than the top... but that was also per the factory specs.

DSM? hell if I know.

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Well, I've slowly been plucking away at assembling the motor over at 95talonracer's house.



Oil squirters and main bearings in
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Checking clearances with the plastigauge. ~.0017 oil clearance on the mains. Spec is .0007-.0020
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Crank bolted it. Awesome help by Kerry showing me how to check crank endplay. Ended up being a solid .003. Spec is .002-.007.
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Pistons were nasty, but cleaned up pretty nicely. Took forever.
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Rod bearings in place
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Plastigauge on the rod bearings, ended up being right around .0015-.0017, Spec is 0.0006-0.0030
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Checking ring end gap:
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.018 top ring
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.024 2nd ring
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Writing everything down for reference
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All bolted in and torqued to spec
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Decided to call it a night after that. Front case and BSE is ready to install. Have to track down a rear main seal since the one I got in my gasket kit was wrong. Then I can install the front case, oil pump housing, oil pickup, and rear main seal and oil pan.

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Painted my oil pan as well
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Also picked up some Evo IV (4) valve springs, retainers, and seats from Spaz
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And an Eprom ECU from Cam aka Spoolin_Turbo
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Lookin good Mike!

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Nice progress! At this rate you should have this together by the time the snow flies.

Re: Goodhart's budget beater 1g
 

eh. maybe. I still need to bring the head to Gosh and with this stupid ass govt shutdown, I have no guarantee that I will get my November VA disability so I am done spending money on it until that shit is figured out.

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Haven't checked this out yet, looking good though sir. Keep it up!

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Nice progress indeed.

What're you looking to have done to your head?