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JET 03-26-2009 02:17 PM

Re: Little. Blue. Different.
 
That does seem weird, throttle body is opening 100%, right? Other than that it seems like it must be a restriction somewhere.

scheides 03-26-2009 02:51 PM

Re: Little. Blue. Different.
 
TPS does hit 100% in logs and if I twist on the black piece that the cable attaches to it does open the butterfly all the way....maybe I'll have someone sit in the car and push the pedal all the way down and take a look. What on earth would cause that though? Sounds pretty far fetched. Still, I'll test it out.

FattyBoomBatty 03-26-2009 06:41 PM

Re: Little. Blue. Different.
 
Maybe the carpet got bunched up under the pedal.

niterydr 03-27-2009 07:30 AM

Re: Little. Blue. Different.
 
Same/similar intake setup? Intercooler piping clogged (maybe a rag in a pipe?).

Dumb questions, but it does seem like an airflow restriction if ignition and cam timing are perfect and compression haven't dropped.

scheides 04-08-2009 12:31 AM

Re: Little. Blue. Different.
 
Ok, I did compression test tonight: 170 167 170 176

Also I did a leak-down test. I'm not 100% sure I did it right or that my harbor freight unit works so well, but I came up with: 15 15 15 15, dead even across the board. However, no air coming out of TB, no air coming out of exhaust, but def air coming out of dipstick/oil fill cap :( Where could it be coming from? past the rings?

I think I'm going to have shane do a comp/leakdown test for me to just get a second opinion. Maybe my fancy catch-can setup sucks/is broken? Not sure yet, but I'm gonna get to the bottom of it :(

swanny, I still have a glimmer of a doubt in the back of my mind on the rag in the FMIC theory.

FattyBoomBatty 04-08-2009 12:49 AM

Re: Little. Blue. Different.
 
throttle was depressed completely on the comp check? Those numbers don't seem too bad to me. Pretty much all the same (only a small percentage difference).

The leakdown tester is a strange thing, but how I read it was by checking known good compression cylinders then checking the supposedly bad one(s), and comparing the pressure required to keep the needle in the green area/zero on the second gauge. On the bad cylinder it took more air, plus on the dude's engine we could hear it coming out the exhaust pipe (bad valve). The whole time we had pressure in the engine, it was leaking past the rings, but his compression was perfect on 3 of 4 holes.

If I were you, I wouldn't worry about the rings.

Kracka 04-08-2009 07:13 AM

Re: Little. Blue. Different.
 
15 across the board is pretty good for a leakdown test assuming you performed it correctly!

niterydr 04-08-2009 07:33 AM

Re: Little. Blue. Different.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by scheides (Post 285087)
Ok, I did compression test tonight: 170 167 170 176

Also I did a leak-down test. I'm not 100% sure I did it right or that my harbor freight unit works so well, but I came up with: 15 15 15 15, dead even across the board. However, no air coming out of TB, no air coming out of exhaust, but def air coming out of dipstick/oil fill cap :( Where could it be coming from? past the rings?

I think I'm going to have shane do a comp/leakdown test for me to just get a second opinion. Maybe my fancy catch-can setup sucks/is broken? Not sure yet, but I'm gonna get to the bottom of it :(

swanny, I still have a glimmer of a doubt in the back of my mind on the rag in the FMIC theory.

15% is decent, but exactly the same figures on every cylinder is freaky.

I don't usually bother with compression numbers if the leakdown is good. My Audi leaked between 12-3% fyi, each cylinder was a bit different.

Could be a bit of leaking past the rings, but with 15% you usually don't notice it that much, compression numbers look decent. I wonder if your measuring instrument is accurate. Maybe have Shane double check it like you mentioned.

MustGoFaster 04-08-2009 07:44 AM

Re: Little. Blue. Different.
 
+1 on those numbers being good, but a little odd. As for where it's going, at 15% I wouldn't worry about it to much.

scheides 04-08-2009 07:50 AM

Re: Little. Blue. Different.
 
Ya, its not like its like WOOSHING out the dipstick or oil fill cap when I open them with the pressure applied, its just a very faint whisp of air, and then I can hear air coming out if I open/close the cap repeatidly.

On the compression test, I didn't realize you were supposed to open the throttle 100%, is this true? Could this affect the numbers in a good or bad way?

scheides 04-08-2009 07:56 AM

Re: Little. Blue. Different.
 
Just read good'ol vfaq, can't believe I forgot about the 100% throttle thing. Gah.

On a side note, all of the spark plugs look perfect--nice frosty brownish color, no oil on any of them. The car has been burning oil over the last 10k miles, sometimes 1/4 qt per 1000 miles, sometimes up to 2/3 of a quart per 1000 miles.

MustGoFaster 04-08-2009 08:01 AM

Re: Little. Blue. Different.
 
Good description, that's normal.

Leaving the throttle closed should make the numbers lower. Since you are throttling the inlet and making a slight vacuum in the manifold. WOT might bump the numbers up a little.

TkrPerformance 04-08-2009 09:17 AM

Re: Little. Blue. Different.
 
if it is burning that much oil now. I would really look into the oil catch can being the problem. put it all back to stock and see if that helps. I tryed to hook mine up the way you did and it was buring oil and had press in the engine. now it just has it hooked up normal.

Halon 04-08-2009 09:43 AM

Re: Little. Blue. Different.
 
Are any of your little vents hooked up backwards by chance? Any of them clogged? What if you removed the one from the intake pipe. Maybe it's hindering flow and not getting as much blow by out under full throttle?

Also, maybe not the ideal idea, but have you thought about taking it out and throwing it on someone else's car that is running well, to rule out the possibility of a bum turbo?

scheides 04-08-2009 10:50 AM

Re: Little. Blue. Different.
 
I think I'm gonna put the crank case vent system back to near stock and see how that works. I did pull one of the vents while on the dyno and it made zero difference, but I'm curious to just try it. I'm going to be putting on a few hundred miles this weekend, so it'll be a good time to test.

Brandon, I was down on power with the IX turbo, and now I have the BBK...oil burning continues, power went up with the BBK dramatically but still less than where it should be with it by about 40-50whp. So, it's not the turbo.

scheides 04-13-2009 10:43 AM

Re: Little. Blue. Different.
 
I just realized that last summer I swapped out my plug boots and wires...I've done plug changes since then with no noticable...the gap has remained consistent...the car never stumbles or anything under WOT. Replaced stock stuff with stock stuff.

MustGoFaster 04-13-2009 11:18 AM

Re: Little. Blue. Different.
 
And?

scheides 04-13-2009 11:30 AM

Re: Little. Blue. Different.
 
Just more data...couldn't failing/bad ignition components lead to loss of power?

MustGoFaster 04-13-2009 11:41 AM

Re: Little. Blue. Different.
 
Yes it can, It's just I wasn't getting the drift of your incomplete sentences.

mike55112 04-13-2009 01:01 PM

Re: Little. Blue. Different.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by scheides (Post 286065)
Just more data...couldn't failing/bad ignition components lead to loss of power?


I have extra coil packs if needed. I also am going to try out the hks dli plug and play system.

scheides 04-13-2009 01:19 PM

Re: Little. Blue. Different.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MustGoFaster (Post 286066)
Yes it can, It's just I wasn't getting the drift of your incomplete sentences.

Sorry scheides <--fail today.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike55112 (Post 286089)
I have extra coil packs if needed. I also am going to try out the hks dli plug and play system.

Hell yes! Can I buy or perhaps borrow them from you?

mike55112 04-13-2009 01:55 PM

Re: Little. Blue. Different.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by scheides (Post 286094)
Sorry scheides <--fail today.



Hell yes! Can I buy or perhaps borrow them from you?


Well sure, 50 bucks for my extra set with wires?

JET 04-13-2009 03:02 PM

Re: Little. Blue. Different.
 
If it is an ignition failure the car should be missing since a cylinder isn't firing, it wouldn't just be down on power. What gap are you running on the plugs? You might try tightening them up a bit and see if it helps.

scheides 04-13-2009 03:05 PM

Re: Little. Blue. Different.
 
.023" on BPR8ES, about normal for my setup.


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