Yes, for example, they will hire a outsorcing company here, who will in turn get contractors from indian company, what does that mean..

US does not get a peny in earned wages get taxed, nothing for SSI or anything that stays in US market, people loose jobs, spend less, smaller companies don't sell enough, close, more people out of work. middle class just moved to poor class..


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I tried and tried to stay away from this but im gonna have to go and shoot my mouth off sorry.

There have been a lot of valid points made by both partys. and if you guys wanna hear it then i will say it, "John Kerry will be a GREAT President." When you see the debates and such you realise that this man sees what is going on and will try to change that wrongdoings bush has led us into. Its not surprising that what we know now is that we were lied to time and time again that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and that there were no nukes in there. so why then were we led to believe they were. Because there was an alterior motive for going into iraq. wether we find out now or find out later either way it is done and theres nothing that is going to change what happened.
Saddam was a very very bad person i do know this but 9/11 had nothing to do with him and we had no proof that he did have something to do with it.
ok with that said, on to overseas jobs and the middle class.
Moving jobs overseas is the worst fucking idea since the mexicans wanting reperations for deporting illegal ones. The middle class has been greatly affected by overseas jobs. "the rich get richer the poor get poorer" there is no room in america for middle class as far as big business and government is concerned, heres my explaination to what i just stated, The way big business looks at middle america is that we dont have enough money to buy the pricey items so they figure they can make more if manufactureing costs are lower. Now if we are trying to bring the global economy up as CVD so arrogantly put it by sending jobs over there, isnt that just like the governtment giving other countries money just to help them out, but in the same time fucking the working man. YES. Fuck other countries that dont give a shit about us. Honestly Economy is fiction. Its fiction in the sence that no matter what there is going to be a lower and a upper class, the middle is bullshit. and if we try to make everyone rich then the so called economy will crash and chaos will ensue. because the doller will not mean anything. so i say fuck these big businesses laying off honest workers to give jobs to other countries that will do it for pennies on the dollar. And Fuck those people in those countries for doing this shit for so cheap.

I actually agree with tom for once. I never thought that could happen...

Well tonight Bush followed the lead of Cheney the other night in handing Kerry his ass back to him on the end of a corn cob :thumbsup:

Bush did better than last time, but he didn't beat kerry by any means. CNN even considers it a tie. Bush didn't really even talk about any changes he would make if he was elected again. I don't know how all republicans always think your canidate did any better. Maybe you should take off your republican glasses for the next debate. I don't know how bush could have won since he didn't really even talk about any new plans for if he was elected.

1. CNN is a liberal news channel

2. Why would Bush talk about changes when hes going to be pursuing his current policies???

And Tom, our government isnt GIVING away anything. It's ALLOWING companies to outsource. Giving them the freedom to choose. That is what I'm arguing for!!! You cant make shit illegal (or even taxed to the point where it's not economically viable) because you dont like it, or because it may cost people jobs.

The rights of the people come first and foremost! Who is the gov't to tell me that I CANT hire people from another country if it will help my company?

Can you give me a conservative news channel? I want to see what all you are creaming your pants when ever Bush "tries" to talk. I have not seen anything on TV that gives me a reason to support Bush. Unlike all of you, I am open to information I do not want to hear.

Time to take off the party glasses and look at everything as a whole. Seems to me that most of you on here are very closed minded about everything. I am not going to point out any names on here but several people talk out of their asses. You can probly tell by who always has an edit after their posts.

Me? I always find spelling mistakes, that why my posts are always edited.

Fox is a conservative news channel.

"That is what I'm arguing for!!! You cant make shit illegal (or even taxed to the point where it's not economically viable) because you dont like it, or because it may cost people jobs."
When did i say to make it illegal??? i think we should stop giving tax breaks for companies that are stealing jobs away from americans.

I am not going to state names but someone was totally against stem cell reseach and changed their reply later saying that they were in favor of it. They must be a "flip flopper" huh?

I agree with Tom and taxes above.

Can you give me a conservative news channel? I want to see what all you are creaming your pants when ever Bush "tries" to talk. I have not seen anything on TV that gives me a reason to support Bush. Unlike all of you, I am open to information I do not want to hear.

Time to take off the party glasses and look at everything as a whole. Seems to me that most of you on here are very closed minded about everything. I am not going to point out any names on here but several people talk out of their asses. You can probly tell by who always has an edit after their posts. [/b][/quote]
Fox is conservative. You mentioned several are talking out their asses. Ohm, that would be you. You started this post. I really believe you are questioning your beliefs, otherwise you would not be asking questions. Dont make decisions by what you see on TV. Make decisions about who you want to vote for by understanding republican view and a democratic view. Next step is to really think about the answers and open your mind. I beleive most people vote democrat through emotion. That is probably why I see people like michael moore or ridiculous people standing on bridge yelling at cars to vote for kerry. The debate to me means nothing. I am not undecided, but believe Bush won the second debate. Kerry is like a trail lawyer putting on a show.

I am still looking for information. I am not one of the closed minded people on here. I have, and currently am, watching Fox news right now. All I have seen is Condeleza Rice refusing to admit that the Bush administration was wrong in Iraq. They showed statements prior to war that were made and contrasted them to current statements. Nobody will admit that they are wrong. They will not admit that they could have done better. As far as the 2nd debate went, I have still not watched it. They just interviewed 4 people on Fox news (conservative news). One thought Bush had the edge but the other three agreed that he bounced back a bit from the first debate but did not win the debate. They all called it a draw saying that Bush bounced back but Kerry still has the momentum going into the third debate. I have it on tape and am going to watch it.

Why not be a part of the cause rather then complain like all the democrats. Information your getting now is mostly attacks from either side. Democrats agreed we should go into iraq, they just think could of handled it better. Mabey, but taking action is the right way to handle it. They are just using the war on iraq as a political front in order to get in office. You asked earlier if there is a conservative channel. Why did you ask this question if you were watching fox in the first place. Why do you believe people are closed minded here. Everyone is watching the news, but the ones who have made a decision allready have done research. I would do some research on kerry so you can find out that he has accomplished nothing since he has been around for 20 years and is the most liberal senator around. Worse then wellstone. I would want someone that has a good background and track record, leadership ability (not trial lawyer speaking skills during a debate), experience running the country. kerry is not even well liked among the democrats. He is not someone who can lead. no back bone. If you want higher taxes and terrorism in are back yard, vote kerry. Democrats want a government run country. I want freedom.

what was wrong with wellstone?

Fox news, fair and balanced.

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I wasn't before. I mostly watched CNN but they are a "liberal" news channel. I started watching Fox the other day because they show the "conservative" aspect. I am looking at both sides dumbass, that is why I asked what is a conservative channel as all the others seem to be liberal in your minds.

Because all of you Bush lovers still cannot admit the truth on some items. One for example would be that Kerry swept the floor with Bush in the first debate. Bush came off to me as a dumb guy that cannot even articulate.

Being able to articulate is very important in my mind. If you kow what you are talking about, you should be able to speak your mind. If you stumble across every question that is asked to you and change the question half way through, I look down upon that. You do not seem very credible at all. If you do not seem credible, why should I believe you? Especially with all the lying going on now.

[QUOTE] Democrats want a government run country. I want freedom. [QUOTE]
Ok, lets get rid of all the police and all the government employees. I see no need for them. When someone murders your mom for her neclace, do not call the police, FBI, or any other governmental agency to help you out. Take your freedom and find that fucker on your own.
We need a government run country. What would we do without it? The government can regulate businesses to be fair to the consumer. The government can and should help americans get health insurance and fix the economy. Several of the government contols have been set aside right now. I believe I read in the paper yesterday that over 5,000,000 people have lost health care under Bush. The average family of 4 spends $10,000/year on Health care. The average health care premium has gone up 3 times compared to the average salary one takes home. Read the OP section in sundays paper. Bush's health care plan is compared to that of Kerry. If America is dying due to lack of health care, are we going to have troops to go to war? Some things need to be changed.

look at the screenshot tool. it is all por bush anti kerry. i sure would trust them.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html...DA90994DC404482

I wasn't before. I mostly watched CNN but they are a "liberal" news channel. I started watching Fox the other day because they show the "conservative" aspect. I am looking at both sides dumbass, that is why I asked what is a conservative channel as all the others seem to be liberal in your minds.

Because all of you Bush lovers still cannot admit the truth on some items. One for example would be that Kerry swept the floor with Bush in the first debate. Bush came off to me as a dumb guy that cannot even articulate.

Being able to articulate is very important in my mind. If you kow what you are talking about, you should be able to speak your mind. If you stumble across every question that is asked to you and change the question half way through, I look down upon that. You do not seem very credible at all. If you do not seem credible, why should I believe you? Especially with all the lying going on now.

[QUOTE] Democrats want a government run country. I want freedom. If you are looking at both sides, look at kerry's background. Nothing credible. I never had difficulty understanding Bush. That is complete bs. Your full of it. Talking about changing the question half way through, that is something kerry does every debate. He is speaking like a trial lawyer and always points at Bush, very disrespectful. My point is democrats want to control your life more then a republican run government. You blew everything out of proportion and not to mention out of context. Again, I would base your decision on the difference between democrats and republicans and what kind of administration you want. Dont get tied up in the emotion and bs.