I'm lovin that picture!!! And Tom I just wanted to reply to one thing you said. You said you're getting a lot of info from people who are and were in the middle east, and they are getting lied to constantly you say. I dunno if you knew, but I was there for OIF from February until June. Anyway, of course the people who are over there and stuck in that shit hole right now are upset. Wouldn't you be? I'm sure if I got stuck over there for a year, I'd be pretty pissed and prolly have a small grudge towards Bush, or anyone high up in command, about that. Hell I was pissed and was only there 3 1/2 months. Then it doesn't help when people start rumors that you're going home. You get excited, just to be let down because it was all a rumor. Then all the letters you write home now, you talk about how they said you were supposed to go home but they cancelled it and you're all pissed off at everyone who does have the power to send you home, and you feel you have no purpose there anymore so why can't you go home. It happened to all of us in my unit. Once the word got put out we were gunna go home, everyone was excited. Then our date kept getting pushed back, and we all were pissed. So anyone we communicated with at home just heard about how they lied to us and we're stuck here and we're not doing anything so we might as well go home, but they all got it out for us and aren't letting us leave. Well now that I am home, it's easy to look back and see it wasn't their fault. We all just wanted to get the hell outta there and never come back, and we were all tired and pissed off and sick of living with each other. Troops overseas aren't always the best people to get info from even though they are over there. Just maybe a lil food for thought in case these people you talk to overseas are filling your mailbox full of these same types of messages. I'm not gunna argue my views though, I'm one shitty arguer. I just think Bush played his hand pretty well for the cards he was delt.

Bush.

OK sorry gotta add couple more things. First off we didn't kill their crazy leader. Shit I'm not 100% sure, but didn't we give them back custody of him? Also ya we did have influence on what type of government they will have. We helped them to create it, so that'd prolly be a good reason we had a little influence on what kind they would have. And this form of government sure seems to work I'd say. But we just helped them create a platform to build off of. They now have control and can mold the government to fit their society better. We just helped them create a platform to build off. Also to the guy saying what right do we have in other countries like Japan. Well for one, we will always have a huge presence in Japan. Why? Well because after WW2 they signed a contract saying they will no longer have a military and that the US will protect them from domestic enemies. So that's our business in Japan. As for the other countries. We aren't forcing them to let us have bases in there. We become allies, and they allow us to. They can kick us out whenever they want. And one last thing about how someone said something about going to war without the UN's approval. You think this is the first war we've fought without their approval?

why are you all dumb, vote for who you want and just shut the fuck up for christs sakes. dont you understand a persons views are a persons views and are not going to be changed.

Even if you win an argument on the internet your still retarded.

"There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq during the month of January..... In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of January.

That's just one American city, about as deadly as the entire war torn country of Iraq.

When some claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war, realize the following .. "

I just have a little to say about this... That point right there totally proved my point. That comment was supposed to help bush??? That just hurt him. Why is he letting our troops die over there, when he should be putting the effort into saving our streets, getting rid of poverty and helping AMERICANS.
The president says with his reform agenda 'we've turned the corner.' But we've lost over a million jobs, health care costs are up 40 percent and the deficit's out of control. That's not turning the corner. America can do better, and that starts with electing a new president with new policies. its the truth, and you cant deny it, we are in for some huge trouble money wise people, this war was way over budget and when this bill comes we how are we supposed to afford this?!?!? Im scared for our future because of bush.

Me612: please hit the enter key once in a while buddy.

and to everyone, im sorry i was getting a little pissy, i was really fucking pissed earlier. absolutly livid. but then i watched the new chris rock movie and he put things in perspective for me. he said "I hate anyone that makes a decision before the question is even at hand. Fuck republicans, democrats, liberals, conservatives, america needs to wait for the facts and get all the facts then make a fucking decision." it went something like that but you get the point.
Tom

Is it a coincidence that the Bush-haters in this thread can't spell or use proper sentence structure, grammar, etc? I think not.

Kerry likes to point out stuff like the fact Bush didn't run out of the room full of children when first told about the events of 9/11. Seems to me he doesn't really have much to say at all, except for some empty promises of what he'd do as President. It's nice to have someone that's already done good for this country, instead of some dreamer that changes his views every three months or so.

I heard Bin Laden is voting for Kerry. He's the right man for the job. :bs:

I will use enter more often, thank you for pointing that out! And I agree about the whole jobs and healthcare stuff. That's why I said I think we could use another president who will focus more in on the US, and less on the entire world. But I just don't get a good vibe from Kerry. So I'm still undecided who I'm voting for. I just wanted to say that I thought Bush did an alright job.

Actually, Bush almost won MN last election. [/b][/quote]
exactly.

I havent really researched this but ive been reading around on CNN, is there surposed to be a draft in 2005 if Bush is still in office? theres 140,000 Troops in Iraq monitoring 25 million Iraqis and 5 soldiers for every 1000 Iraq civilians.

Michael Moore seems to like that fact as well.Certainly one of the most ridiculous things they could use as ammo against Bush.

Nope, just more BS from the media.

http://www.sss.gov/

If you had watched his speech at the democratic convention you would have known that he does have things to say. That sealed my vote totally. i was moved.

and i hear bush struck a deal with saddam, that he would turn him over to his own people if he voted bush. Bush likes saddam, i hear saddam helped rig the 2000 election.

"Why do most Vietnam Vets say NO to John Kerry?

§ Yes, Kerry served in Vietnam, but do you know how he gave aid and comfort to the enemy when he returned to the US?

1. Kerry joined the radical left of the anti-war movement and worked with Jane Fonda. Many good people opposed the war, but these radicals were advocates of our enemy.

2. Kerry launched his political career with false testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in 1971 saying American soldiers in Vietnam were “. . . a generation of monsters. . . “ who raped, tortured, murdered and ravaged the countryside like Genghis Kahn. It was an outrageous lie.

3. Kerry said he was ashamed of his Vietnam service. He dishonored his decorations by throwing them over a fence labeled “Trash” on camera at a Washington, DC protest. He now says he is proud of his
service and his decorations.

4. Kerry met with our enemy’s negotiator in Paris in 1970, Madam Nguyen Thi Binh, in violation of US law while hostilities were ongoing and while the US Secretary of State was attempting to open negotiations. Kerry returned to the US and publicly advocated the enemy’s proposal of unilateral US withdrawal before negotiating the return of our POWs, contrary to the US govt’s position.

5. American POWs heard Kerry’s 1971 false testimony quoted to them during interrogation sessions as their captors pressured them to confess to war crimes they did not commit.

6. Kerry is prominently represented in Communist Vietnam’s war museum in gratitude for his help in their victory over the US.

7. In June 2004, the official Communist newspaper accused the US of a pattern of inhumane war crimes, citing the 1971 testimony of John Kerry and the Iraq prisoner abuse scandal: “ . . like in any of the dozens of countries they invaded, it was the Americans who perpetrated well-documented atrocities in Vietnam, both at the individual and mass levels." Their article shows a photo of our POWs playing
volleyball and claim they were treated well. The opposite is the truth.

8. 20 of the 22 Naval officers who served with Kerry consider him unfit for office.

§ So - John Kerry betrayed the men and women who fought in Vietnam long ago.What does it matter to young voters today?

1. Kerry is rated the most liberal out of all 100 US Senators by the nonpartisan National Journal. He is further left than Ted Kennedy, yet Kerry claims to have conservative values to get your vote.

2. Kerry says he is strong on defense. Yet Kerry has voted against most military pay raises, voted against new housing for our troops and their families, and as far back as 1994 Kerry voted to practically "gut" defense and spending for intelligence. Kerry voted against the B-1 Bomber, the B-2 Stealth Bomber, the F-14, the F-15, the F-16, the AV-8B Harrier Vertical Takeoff and Landing Jet Fighter, the AH-64 Apache Helicopter, the Patriot Missile, the Aegis Air Defense Cruiser, the Trident Missile System for U.S. Submarines, the M-1 Abrams Tank, the Bradley Fighting Vehicle and the Tomahawk Cruise Missile. Fortunately others voted yes and these weapon systems are now crucial to the superior edge of our armed forces.

3. Year after year, decade after decade, John Kerry has proven he will say and do anything to buy your vote.


§ Do you believe or trust John Kerry? We do not. See www.kerrylied.com"

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They hooked ya with the Send Me slogan eh? I never said i didn't watch it.

Bush is going to be President for another term!

The only people on this forum giving facts are the republicans. What else is new. I vote for Bush.

wow, jason you are biased person. so therefore your comment has been stricken from the record.

lightning, "I heard Bin Laden is voting for Kerry. He's the right man for the job. " that was my reply to the comment above

Arent you supposed to be in vegas? Go get some facts before you open your mouth.

Kerry is a pussy. He heard that if you get 3 purple hearts that you get sent home from the war. So he gets 3 purple hearts in 4 1/2 months?? 2 from self inflicted injuries? I won't vote for a pussy like that. Be a fucking man and stand up for your countries beliefs.

Tom, you're entitled to your opinion. I'm glad you've expressed it, but don't be suprised when people shit all over you when you are talking about hard core partisan politics. Especially on DSMStyle.

I don't think Bush is a great president, and I don't think Kerry deserves it either. But arguing stuff from a crappy Moore movie isn't going to help you win the hearts of the villagers.

But good for you for sticking your neck out there.



I think it's good we're chatting here, but it's getting a little more personal than I think it should. Name calling and stuff is probably not the best or most mature way to get your point across.



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