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I spoke with Tephra about a p0300 disable he doesn't think its necessary on the X's. He feels like it still serves a purpose but who knows. I get it still sometimes and from what I have researched its from the clutch. Essentially it pops up in traffic like conditions or riding the clutch to get moving slightly. Mine is the worst backing into my 3rd stall of my garage, seems to happen there as its a slow process to get it in there snug.

Still sounds like everything is going pretty well though. Let us know how the pump gas works out as I am going to check my valves this summer to see if this is happening to me.

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Well after a week down, car is back on the road thanks to Ron@ RS Motors!

Started off by installing my walbro 400 pump:
http://www.scheides.com/albums/walbr...0kit.sized.jpg

Switched back to e85 and did testing since the weather was so nice and the car just RIPS:
http://www.scheides.com/albums/walbr...drilled2mm.jpg

I'm *very* excited about having more fuel, the car will at the very least see more boost this year (on the BBX) and I'm hopeful to put a larger snail under the hood if the rest of the car holds together.....That was fun for about a week and then I found a huge puddle on the floor of my garage, a crack in the trans case. Diff pins decided to eject themselves:
http://www.scheides.com/albums/evoX/image.sized.jpeg

They wore a hole through the case, thus the puddle on my floor:
http://www.scheides.com/albums/evoX/image3.sized.jpeg

Four new pins from Shep and a few fresh bearings later, the trans was re-assembled. Ron banged this out lickity-split for me and I am very thankful! It would have been much faster if we didn't have to wait for parts but that's the nature of issues like this.

All four pins were broke, but luckily all pieces were found and NO damage to the rest of the trans! If I hadn't noticed that puddle that night I think I would be out an extra $3k for a trans, weeks of downtime I'm sure, blah I don't wanna think about that! It shifts like buttah now though so I'm confident that everything is indeed healthy.


The car also got a fresh ACT HDG6 clutch as the old one was worn down to the rivets. Last summer at Proving Grounds the clutch was slipping baaaaad at the end of day 1 and I discovered my fork stopper needed to be adjusted to accommodate for plate wear. I think it was too late though, the damage was done. I did get another 6k miles out of it and probably could have gotten another 5-10k of DD but since it was already apart, I made the investment to do it right...I plan on doing more drag and a lot more DD with this thing.

Time for more miles and smiles!

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Nice! Good thing the trans didn't go boom like you said though.

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Damn...you had what, barely a year on that clutch? How many miles?

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Glad your back up and running!

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Sweet action! Is that the same clutch you had in there before? Why not go to something beefier?

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He loves annual tranny swaps :)

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1.5 years and about 18k miles on the pressure plate and about 12k miles on the disc, I replaced that when I had the motor out this year. Do note the issue I had at Proving Grounds last summer, I am 100% certain that led to massively increased wear. The other disc that I took out (when I did the motor) looked minty fresh and had almost the same amount of launches on it from when I was at rock falls.

This HDG6 6-puck is about as beefy as it gets...rated at ~650tq and it is very very very driveable. Other options are twin and triple discs...the price goes through the roof and I haven't seen any real first-hand accounts of people using them for long periods of time and doing anything better than these 6-pucks that are 1/3 the price.

All in all I'm happy with what I got out of it. Like I said it probably would have made it through the summer so figure almost 30k miles and 40+ launches. Remember, the car makes 600hp and I don't exactly baby it.--this isn't a 200hp honda that I'd expect to get 150k miles out of the stock clutch.



Fun fact: check all your options! Turns out MAP had a freshly built Jack's tranny sitting in their shop that I could have put in my car and used mine as a core. Seriously what are the chances of that happening at the exact time that I need one? .5%? Why I didn't call every shop in town IDK...Shane was in hawaii and I just knew Ron could do any trans work in-house so it made the most sense I guess. My apologies to MAP and thank you for the info!

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;)

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Damn Scheides, it seems like whenever I check this thread you are experiencing some bad luck!

At least you keep your head up and pull through it like a champ! Keep up the good work bud! :D

Edit - This thread is what every 16 year old should be required to read before purchasing a modified turbo car...

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You just can't drive 6-pucks. ;)

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LOL it seriously is! The pedal is light as hell and there really is hardly any chatter, especially with some experience. I *know* it is not as smooth as stock, but the stock clutch is not rated to hold 650tq!


-Gotta pay to play
-What else am I gonna do, give up and buy an audi?
-It's no secret they are expensive, a lot of people tend to hide and not say much when stuff breaks, I just post about everything. Ad nausium.

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650 torx!!! :drool:

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Yay, beaterX is back :) Looking good Scheides.

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so true. Seems Like the people that preach about how little their car breaks just don't post about it when it does break. LOL @ owdee comment.

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If you aren't breaking it you aren't having enough fun with it I say :)

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Yeah! But only if it's from the 80s.

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Right right, I forgot you're a professional racecar driver.

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Silly kracka :blind:

So how long till you hit the max for this clutch? :uhoh: :rollinglaugh:

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I'm doubting that's possible on any stockframe turbo, which I believe he plans to stick with.

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Hahah!

Oh snap you *totally* got me there! My point is, the next step up is an Exedy Twin ($1700) and that is rated at 455tq and I already at or over that. Why are you busting my balls over this? Like you I plan on dragging my car here and there and I want something that can handle that. Also, like you, I want something that doesn't cost a fortune. 6-pucks are tried and true in this arena and quite livable day to day.

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So true! Personally, I think 12k miles out of a clutch disk in this level of performance is quite good.

My 4 pucks only last around 7k miles before they are at the rivets...

NBD, just replace and keep having fun!

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I seem to have similar luck as you, catch a symptom before it turns 100% catastrophic. Although, I have had less sever issues. You also lost all of your oil last year too, I cannot recall if it was your drain plug or oil filter that came off. How do you not damage a motor from that, lucky!

Your drag racing clutch stop debacle more than likely took a good chunk of life out of the clutch. I bet this one will last longer! This hobby will force you to continue learning best practices.

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Yea, I am really good at breaking stuff, what can I say! Thanks for bringing up the drain bolt thing I had forgotten about that, I am thanking Tebow for saving my 'tarded ass on that one.

Continue to learn I shall indeed! Hopefully everyone enjoys watching the calamity unfold along the way :D

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I'm not trying to bust your balls homie!
I was dead serious, you mentioned a bigger snail next year maybe and you are already at 600whp (or real close) so I figured that your next upgrade (that you are probably eyeing up, like most of us) would top the clutches rating. (I know the TQ is the important #)

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My 6 puck disc was pretty iffy after just under 3k miles on my last setup so I put a new one in on the 2nd motor build. Danny said it was just heat so I was riding it too much. But honestly to make it traffic drivable you kind of have to ride it a bit.

6 puck ftw honestly, cheap and gets the job done. Honestly the next up in my mind isn't the twin from exedy its the triple because the twin as Scheides said doesn't hold a lot of torque. So it may be more drivable then the 6 puck but doesn't hold the power as well.

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Haha ok cool. Ya idk, if I go any bigger than a black/ef4 I know I'd have to be ready for breaking even more stuff even more often. I'm really happy with where the car is at right now so who knows, hopefully never!

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Don't forget again. ;)

Seriously though, Scheides' car IS super smooth.

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I have to say it does a have a lighter pedal than the Exedy stage 1HD I have in my car. I think part of it might be that, imo, the X clutch pedal has a more downward push than the VIII and IX.

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You're welcome to try the pedal on mine next time I see you.

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I'm not saying mine is to heavy ...just saying his is definitly lighter than mine.

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I meant as a comparison between the VIII/IX and X pedal pressure with the same clutch, if you were at all interested.

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Ahh sounds good... would be interesting to see.

Sorry for thread jacking... carry on ..

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A week after getting the car back together and clutch is all broken in, car feels wicked fast and I am gave a high-school buddy a ride to the airport, put about 15 bus-lengths on a ratty old honda and the car has me smiling ear to ear, so happy it is running good!

Next morning (Monday) I am getting on the freeway and I hear the sound no FI guy wants to hear...gerbils in a blender, banshee on her period, etc. Bleh! I am just amazed at my bad luck sometimes...I know the BBX has given up the ghost but there's nothing I can do about it now. I talk to Chris Carey at MAP....they have a ported, ceramic coated EF4X sitting on the shelf ready to rock. SO tempting....I talk it over with Anna and she says the most beautiful words, 'I know you kinda wanted one anyways, just get it!' So despite the trans issues just two weeks ago and an anti-tax return I pull the trigger. I need the car for work and no stock turbo in sight....done and done.

I limp the car home after work and Anna picks up the EF4 for me from MAP. What a gal! Pull the intake apart and sure enough there is damage to the BBX:

http://www.scheides.com/albums/evox-...2275.sized.jpg

Talked to Chad Block @ CBRD and he is going to do a post-mortum on it and we'll see, maybe if I hate the EF4 it will go back on? :P I *really* loved this turbo!

So. Onto turbo pr0n? EF4 is a sexeh beast I must say. Compressor wheel is baby-munching good and even with the 3" inlet it looks surprisingly stock! Not sure the exact size of the compressor but it looks about 35r sized.
http://www.scheides.com/albums/evox-...2271.sized.jpg

http://www.scheides.com/albums/evox-...2263.sized.jpg

The fact that it is already ported is just a massive massive bonus for me. I have had all my turbos ported, and I must say this thing has a nice job on it. If my BBK Full on my evo8 was a 9.5 or 10 out of 10, I will rate this one at 8.5-9 out of 10...insane for an off-the-shelf port job! The port job on my BBX was nothing special but it obviously did the trick.

Compressor outlet:
http://www.scheides.com/albums/evox-...2265.sized.jpg

Down the scrolls, wow:
http://www.scheides.com/albums/evox-...2269.sized.jpg

http://www.scheides.com/albums/evox-...2270.sized.jpg

http://www.scheides.com/albums/evox-...2273.sized.jpg

Check out that turbine wheel! This thing is a work of art...9-blade (versus standard 11-blade on a lot of other turbos, including my BBX), extended tip...this thing is gonna flow some serious air!
http://www.scheides.com/albums/evox-...2284.sized.jpg

Also, it came with this nice, beefy oil feed line and filter kit:
http://www.scheides.com/albums/evox-...2276.sized.jpg

http://www.scheides.com/albums/evox-...2277.sized.jpg


Anyways, 2 hours later BBX was off, and 2 hours after that EF4 was about 80% of the way in...called it a night and then finished up the install tonight. Car still feels great but the boost curve needs some tweaking. Turned the MBC on my hybrid setup down a half turn for safety and I'm seeing 25psi at 4200rpm and then 30psi from 6000-8100+....it definitely rips but I'll take it easy and tune this week/weekend.

Very first VDR pull showed 581whp dynojet...BBX was at 550-560 at its best....I'm practically ready for proving grounds! Let's move it up to march 1? :)

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Looks good dude! Does this knock you out of SA though? Either way seems like you tackle things right away and seem to enjoy the car alot, in its ups and downs.

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I always kinda bitched about that but ya know honestly, it's gonna be pretty hard to tell that it's not a stock turbo, it is *very* similar from a glance. I always race for fun so if it bumps me out, so be it.

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Oh, I hear ya. I was just asking. Either way hope your luck turns around and I guess we'll see ya out there!

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Figure out the EF4 X stuff and help me dial mine in more please. My car was pretty inconsistent on the street. Went from 519whp to like 570whp at 27-28psi on two different pulls.

So if you don't mind taking a look at mine in the future I will bring beer :)

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Looking good Chris!

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Those virtual dyno simulators will do that ;) Gotta keep all inputs equal...wheel 100% straight, same flat road, etc.