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mlomker 06-23-2010 03:19 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
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Originally Posted by C3L1CA (Post 346316)
I'm just curious is all, I didn't mean to say or infer you're doing anything wrong.

I didn't take it that way from you. The X's max a single Walbro pretty early.

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I'm just thinking if you're not going for huge power and the stock sending unit isn't complete garbage it might be simple and less of a headache in the end to try a boost a pump.
The stock X hanger does have fuel pickup issues during left-hand sweepers at a road course. I don't think it's quite as bad as what I'm currently seeing with the Full Blown hanger, but it's enough that most road course guys end up with surge tanks.

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It also wouldn't be hard to make your own surge tank, just finding a generic one and mounting it would probably be the hardest.
I've linked to the one from MDR a few times. It's nicely located on the X so I think it'd be a winner.

http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/a.../TrunkView.jpg

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Good luck though, thing should be fun when you're all said and done.
I could see me going to an FP Black or similar in the future but the car is going to be done this year, as far as anything important goes. My credit cards are almost 'done' so that'll decide it, eh?

mlomker 06-24-2010 09:52 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
Just got off the phone with LJ. They're swamped preparing cars for this weekend, of course. He said they have everything that they'd need to fab a sump/surge tank setup for me. Said they could design something next week. :)

mlomker 06-25-2010 09:25 AM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
I think I'll pick up the Evo today and bring it back to FB on Monday. I'll gut the trunk, pull the wing, change the oil, and install some small parts that have been piling up at home (crank vents, lug nuts, hood vents).

The car is drivable so I will take it up to Brainerd (for spectating) on Sunday if it is behaving well.

Should be a fun weekend! Valleyfair on Saturday, BIR on Sunday, get drunk Sunday night and crash in a Baxter hotel. lol.

mlomker 06-26-2010 10:11 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
Got most of the work in the last post done today. Rexpeed shipped the front hood vents without screws and I'm nervous that water could get into the air filter at the car wash or when it rains. I've seen water-proof covers that you can put over conical filters but I'm not sure how much they screw up flow. In the meantime, I've put off installing those. The center one does look better.

I'm heading up to Brainerd on Sunday. Hope I can get some good pics and footage while I'm there!

mlomker 06-27-2010 06:57 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
The crank vents had a huge effect on the car. I also discovered that the in/out ports were reversed on one of the cans. Before the vent install the car had a noticeable 'hit' when it came into boost a little after 4k. That's gone now...the car is creepy smooth. So smooth that I was looking for boost leaks under the hood. I assume it's fine but I've started getting use to the car's power level.

FattyBoomBatty 06-27-2010 10:23 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
By hit, do you mean something like a hiccup? Or boost came on harder before?

mlomker 06-27-2010 11:28 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
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Originally Posted by FattyBoomBatty (Post 346719)
Or boost came on harder before?

Exactly, it seems more calm now. The BOV is still doing its thing. I'm going to get a boost gauge on this car as soon as it is home on a regular basis. It's heading back to Full Blown on Monday.

mlomker 06-30-2010 07:39 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
The amount of bullshit I'm dealing with in getting an intake made is getting out of hand. CBRD and ETS batted me back and forth on it so I sent a PM to Primo. Just now ETS emailed and said they'd see if they could get it on the schedule.

:1smiley.php:

Murlo26 06-30-2010 11:32 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
Yea I think that ETS is really busy now, but they said it would only take them 3 weeks when I asked and I told them to go ahead and do it for me.

slowbubblecar 07-01-2010 01:38 AM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
I have a 4" aluminum elbow that could probably be made into an intake. How big you looking to get one?

mlomker 07-01-2010 08:23 AM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
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Originally Posted by slowbubblecar (Post 347257)
How big you looking to get one?

If ETS can't give me a firm answer in the next day or so then I'm going to run Dave's 3" AMS intake over to Primo and have them copy it in 3.5".

http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/a.../amsintake.jpg

Murlo26 07-01-2010 09:20 AM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
I was at DB yesterday and Danny said it wouldn't be a problem for them to modify my AMS intake to be 3.5" at the MAF housing.

So basically I told danny if more parts start showing up, aka my pistons (rods and a few other things are there) and shortblock, more importantly FP black that I will just have them fab something quick.

I for sure don't want an intake holding my build up.

mlomker 07-01-2010 09:44 AM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
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Originally Posted by Murlo26 (Post 347265)
I for sure don't want an intake holding my build up.

LJ says that I should have the Evo back early next week. I hope they come up with a setup that solves the fueling equation.

I'll probably end up having Primo do mine since ETS has been sitting on the request for a 3.5" MAF on their intakes for a while (as mentioned in that DG Motors thread). I like the idea of switching to an AFE dry-flow filter anyway...not a fan of the K&N.

Murlo26 07-01-2010 09:45 AM

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Yea hopefully fullblown figures something out for you, would be nice to see your car unleashed with a new intake and proper fuel setup.

mlomker 07-06-2010 04:07 PM

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Sounds like Full Blown is on schedule. Maybe they'll wrap it up tomorrow.

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: Surge tank setup
Date: Tue, July 06, 2010 3:58 pm

Mike:

We just received the bosch fuel pump and am in the process of finishing the surge tank setup.

Thanks,
Paul Vang

scheides 07-06-2010 04:09 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
liquid badass! Are they going to put it on the dyno to double-check the tune, or are you gonna just rip it as-is? Might be worth a trip back to shane just to make sure all is nice and safe (or put the big injectors back in).....sorry, bad ideas, I'm good at them.... :P

Murlo26 07-06-2010 04:18 PM

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Nice Mike, now you just need an intake!

Kracka 07-06-2010 04:24 PM

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http://www.jmfabrications.com/site/i...mart&Itemid=58
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http://vibrantperformance.com/catalo...roducts_id=786
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http://vibrantperformance.com/catalo...roducts_id=785
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new intake!

Or get the same pipes from here for even cheaper: http://www.boostcontroller.com/index.php?category=252

mlomker 07-06-2010 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by scheides (Post 347828)
Might be worth a trip back to shane just to make sure all is nice and safe

I plan to drive it like I financed it. ;)

Was planning to get some gauges installed this weekend. Need to get either my intake or Dave's over to Primo so they can get to work.

Call me a cynic but I'm just going to take one step at a time. First thing is to see what Full Blown did and make sure that it works, is E85-safe, etc.

scheides 07-06-2010 04:32 PM

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Damn that is a good idea....2 weeks ago.....

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Originally Posted by scheides (Post 345445)
Posted this on evoM but thought it was worth posting here too:

I'm kinda thinking something like this:

http://store.max-redline.com/servlet/-strse-49/Detail

plus this:

http://www.jmfabrications.com/site/i...mart&Itemid=58

plus a short 1.5" pipe for recirculating your BOV. Do it to it :)

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Originally Posted by Murlo26 (Post 345455)
http://www.maperformance.com/jm-fabr...nge-evo-x.html

You can get this in 3.5" size or 4" size :)

I think it is just a matter of not letting the MAF read 5.0V and then Shane can tune around it however. Even if it necks down it shouldn't matter too much, the problem here is the fact the MAF is maxed. With a bigger pipe, I believe that the MAF sees less air since there is more room around it to flow and therefore it reads a different voltage.

You could probably even cut the AMS part way and transition to a 3.5" intake where you put the MAF and filter.

I am probably going to sell my AMS one and I could probably pay for most of the fab work for DB.


I'm still in favor of this though, shouldn't be too big of a deal to have one made up, but it would def be nice for there to just be a 3.5" intake on the market.

Murlo26 07-06-2010 04:34 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
I will probably just have DB modify my AMS one to have a 3.5" MAF, should be relatively cheap and reuses my intake so the design will be the same.

mlomker 07-06-2010 04:40 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
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Originally Posted by Kracka (Post 347830)
new intake!

lol. As if I knew how to weld aluminum or had any chance in hell of figuring out how to get the BOV pipe at the correct angle. I'm sure that Primo will buy those parts and then they can make it pretty.

Nothing that I'm talented enough to create would look right in my engine bay.

http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/a.../enginebay.jpg

mlomker 07-06-2010 04:42 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
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Originally Posted by Murlo26 (Post 347835)
should be relatively cheap and reuses my intake so the design will be the same.

If you use a coupler and build a new MAF section then it isn't going to leave much room for a filter. I suppose you could switch to a CAI design. It doesn't look all that trivial to me but I don't work with metal.

Murlo26 07-06-2010 04:44 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
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Originally Posted by mlomker (Post 347839)
If you use a coupler and build a new MAF section then it isn't going to leave much room for a filter. I suppose you could switch a CAI design. It doesn't look all that trivial to me but I don't work with metal.

I think Danny said they would basically cut part of my intake off. Then weld on a trasition to 3.5" and have just part of it be 3.5" not the whole thing. Just the MAF area is all that matters.

If Primo isn't too bad a price I might just use them, we will see.

Kracka 07-06-2010 04:44 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
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Originally Posted by mlomker (Post 347837)
lol. As if I knew how to weld aluminum or had any chance in hell of figuring out how to get the BOV pipe at the correct angle. I'm sure that Primo will buy those parts and then they can make it pretty.

Yeah, I meant just buy those and have Primo or whoever cut to fit and weld together. Should be simple enough, especially if they have the AMS intake to use as a template.

mlomker 07-06-2010 04:48 PM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
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Originally Posted by Kracka (Post 347841)
Yeah, I meant just buy those and have Primo

Totally. They said they didn't have any of that in stock but would order it up when I brought the AMS in.

mlomker 07-07-2010 10:12 AM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
Remember how my car started blowing smoke on the dyno shortly after overfilling the oil? Remember how last weekend I commented that my car felt so smooth that I was wondering if it had a boost leak?

Dave pointed me to a thread on the EvoX forum where two BBX's went down with those symptoms.

Time to look for a how-to on turbo swaps.

Murlo26 07-07-2010 10:13 AM

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Sorry to be the bearer of bad news (not for sure though, lol).

scheides 07-07-2010 10:27 AM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
Link to said thread? Wonder if there's oiling problems or something....

Murlo26 07-07-2010 10:28 AM

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http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34469

scheides 07-07-2010 10:45 AM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
Reading now...lomker your car doesn't smoke *that* bad though, does it? Prolly at least worth yanking the inlet and checking for shaft play/wheel damage.

Don't worry, it can get far worse (20g on my 2G):
http://www.scheides.com/albums/gt35r/DSC00437.sized.jpg

If you're not getting boost, you have a major problem.

scheides 07-07-2010 11:12 AM

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Posted over there, 2x BBX's bit the dust now yours, that makes me sad. Possibly from overfilling the oil that one time?

We'll have to find a way to bribe Anna, but we can sure rip it apart man.

mlomker 07-07-2010 11:15 AM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
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Originally Posted by scheides (Post 347925)
Reading now...lomker your car doesn't smoke *that* bad though, does it? Prolly at least worth yanking the inlet and checking for shaft play/wheel damage.

Mine just blows puffs on pulls, not smoking at idle. I want to get a boost gauge on there this weekend and see if it is making boost. If it is then it's nbd yet. It just felt slow the last time that I drove it.

You just try to wiggle it? I'm not sure what is normal there.

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Originally Posted by scheides (Post 347931)
Possibly from overfilling the oil that one time?

That was certainly my assumption before I saw those other two had gone down from smoking. I got the first turbo so all three of them were probably from the same batch. I sent Chad a PM to give him a heads up. If I ship it in to be inspected then I'll prolly have him stuff a bigger wheel in there. ;)

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We'll have to find a way to bribe Anna, but we can sure rip it apart man.
I'm definitely going to be reaching out on this one. A turbo swap is one of those things that is too easy to pay someone to do and yet takes some time. I'm thinking it won't be too terrible with an aftermarket DP on there.

Kracka 07-07-2010 11:17 AM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
Don't you have a Tactrix 2.0 cable? Why not just log boost with EvoScan?

Murlo26 07-07-2010 11:18 AM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
^ Always thinking, lol.

mlomker 07-07-2010 11:30 AM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
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Originally Posted by Kracka (Post 347934)
Why not just log boost with EvoScan?

I'll take a look at it. I never have the car so I haven't had time to figure out how to use Evoscan.

cmspaz 07-07-2010 11:31 AM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
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Originally Posted by mlomker (Post 347933)
You just try to wiggle it? I'm not sure what is normal there.

Pretty much. It won't be perfectly immobile, but should be pretty close. If it's bad enough to be smoking, you'll reach in there and something will be blatantly not right.

Murlo26 07-07-2010 11:32 AM

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Preferably stick your hand in there while the car is on, just to be sure :D

scheides 07-07-2010 11:36 AM

Re: Evo X upgrades
 
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Originally Posted by mlomker (Post 347939)
I'll take a look at it. I never have the car so I haven't had time to figure out how to use Evoscan.

If you have that microSD card I gave you, I think I emailed you a copy of the config file to put on there? If not LMK, just toss it on there, plug it into the car, go drive, and then the logs will be right on that card for viewing. This will tell you right away most of the data you really want to know :D



Maybe this one gets fixed and we just put it on my car, then you buy a new one with bigger wheel outright? Just an idea :D Or better yet, buy the one with the bigger wheel, have it here for when we yank this one. Then send yours off to get fixed and I'll buy it from ya. :) Zero to little downtime for you.

Murlo26 07-07-2010 11:37 AM

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LOL, now your talking crazy and I like it. Chad quoted me like $1285 for that bigger wheel one brand new. Pretty good deal :)


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