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Mostly labor but I suspect they're fucking me on parts, too. Those water pumps are $29 at cost. I'll know when I see the bill.

This car has a water pump driven by the timing belt so everything on the side of the motor has to come off. The timing belt was smoking pretty good since the water pump was no longer turning, etc.

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Evo X has a timing chain. Are you sure you're talking about the correct thing?

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Dude is talking about his beater car, not the efo.

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He is talking about his plymouth beater car ;)

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Sorry man, talking about my beater that went down yesterday. I wasn't going to make another thread for it. I'm car-less at the moment.

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Haha, it all makes sense now.

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I just did a tbelt in the wife's civic not fun but will be easier next time I know to get the pulley tool before hand.

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I wish it had waited until the Evo was done. I would have worked with/hired someone on here to take care of it instead of a shop. I still need to do a CV boot or joint on the thing so the repairs aren't quite done on it.

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Dave told me that Shane looked at the Evo this morning and it still has problems...maybe a bad MAF and my suction line issue is not solved.

I think I'll have Shane look at the MAF part but I'm at the end of my rope on the fuel system. I'll need to bring the car to Full Blown and have them take a look at it.

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Shane called and it isn't really a suction line issue, it is a fuel pickup issue. In a straight line the car runs fine but turn either left or right and it knocks/misfires and all that bad stuff. I have an email in to LJ to ask a few questions about the hanger.

The MAF issue is that it is reading 4.9 volts at the current airflow. Shane speculated that the pipe was too small and that I need a larger one for more airflow. This is an AMS intake pipe and they only sell one size. It's possible that there's something wrong with the MAF but I sent an email to AMS to see what sort of power they've run through one in the past.

He said the car is at 430whp right now but that's the limit for the MAF and I suppose the injectors aren't far from maxing.

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Well I am would guess Ryan Gates was still using his stock MAF on his 566whp run...you aren't there yet, so I would guess the MAF is taking a dump. I have heard quite a few people have had failures with them...warranty!

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You'd think so. I ordered an ETS intake in case I need to swap it in. I like it better in some ways.

I'm getting close to having to park the car for the season. Too many miscalculations on this project.

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I'll be sure to give you a ride in my car when it's done then ;) (knocks on wood)

I really doubt the AMS intake has anything to do with the prob, but it is possible. You should find the problem before ordering more parts man, lol.

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It's either the MAF or the intake. Swapping your intake in wouldn't help if it's a design issue, the ETS looks like a good design, and trying to borrow someone's intake for a week (since I don't know Shane's schedule) is tough. If it's the MAF then I won't install it and just get an RMA for it.

I couldn't imagine a dealer being willing to warranty anything on my car. It wouldn't cost me anything to ask at Brookdale, but...

The fueling problem is the bigger issue. afaik the MAF is just preventing me from making more power than it currently has. I'm hoping to hear from LJ today...maybe I can bring it in and have him take a look see.

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True on my intake, did shane try my MAF though? He asked me and i told him it was fine.

My car parts are free game for testing until it's time to use em :)

Yea I sure hope LJ has some ideas, it sucks that so many little things keep coming up for you preventing the big overall picture.

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He hadn't when I spoke to him last night but I told him that it seemed like a good idea. Def appreciate your help. This stuff is starting to get me down, for sure.

I had a track day on the 28th pre-paid...hopefully I can get a credit or refund.

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I like the maf-swapping theory but how does that explain why it behaves differently in a straight line vs turning? To me that is a fuel system problem. Find a stock fuel assembly stat, put a single walbro in it and eliminate that whole twin pump setup from the equation.

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^Good idea..I'd say give LJ a shot...otherwise throw your old 255 setup back in and have DB throw a boost a pump on it. I am actually considering switching to a single 255 with a boost a pump to simplify things. After seeing how many issues you have had, i want simple.

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Bingo.

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We are talking about two separate issues...their is a fuel line pickup problem on turns, mainly left turns, which is present on the X stock if you road race, but seems to be worse with lomkers hangar setup. Then there is the MAF reading 4.9V and basically being maxed out...which to our knowledge shouldn't be happening since as far as we know, the stock MAF's were used on much bigger builds, for instance Ryan Gates and his 566whp setup which was still the stock motor.

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I know its a little uncivilized maybe, but maybe an inline 255? its been proven on DSMs for 700whp on E85 thru stock lines.

I know its not using a baller piece but it gets the job done, and just throwing this out there, but I'm going to assume you can't do a 1g style twin pump setup?

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He doesn't have it anymore, that's the problem. I think we would have done that a few weekends back when I was helping as a test if he had one. Are there any other X's around with a single walbro setup that could be begged/bribed into letting their setup be borrowed? I've only got the stock pump in there so it's not much help afaik, lmk if it could be lomker.

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Time to stop buying baller parts and start buying the right parts. I know these Blaqops and Full Blown pieces are pretty, but how practical are they? Something obviously isn't working right and using these things turned a rather simple system into being rather complex. Keep it simple and stop creating headaches for yourself.

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These are the right parts, they're proven setups that have made great power and proven reliable. Nothing baller about them, they're made to do the job he bought them for. Just having problems with something, or multiple things, gotta get to the bottom of it!

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If that's the case then I would be shocked to learn that he's the only person that's having this sort of fuel pickup problem. The whole thing with two fuel pumps and a progressive controller just seems to be far more complex than it has to be.

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baller was never the point. I'd originally gone with the Full Blown hanger because I didn't want the downtime of sending the stock hanger in to be modified and sent back to me. That whole attitude seems super-amusing right now but early on in the process that seemed rational.

Not sure what 1G style is. Right now we have the second pump set to come on at approx. 15psi and that seems to work fine now in a straight line. The issue is no longer the pumps but appears to be the 'cup' that the pumps sit in or the suction/return line that fills it...that cup acts as a mini surge tank to keep the pumps sitting in fuel even when gas sloshes around in the tank during turns.

It seems to me the smart thing is to at least wait until I can talk to LJ about this and give him a shot before trying the 3rd path (an inline or inline/surge tank setup).

BlaqOPs has my stock hanger. I think Chris would send it back but I need to decide if I want it back stock or with his double pump fittings on it, first.

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The progressive stuff is already gone. I'm running two standard Walbros right now. It's the same setup that Trevor has but it's in a Full Blown hanger instead of a stock one. The suction line and tanks on the X are totally different, unfortunately.

As far as if I'm the only one with problems...we don't really know why Dave's motor let go. I also don't know how many of these hangers Full Blown has installed out there. I know I bought one of the first ones and it may be the only one. Full Blown is building an Evo X shop car but it doesn't run yet so I'd imagine they haven't tested their hanger in it.

You seem to be under the impression that there is a tried & true way to run this kind of power on a X on E85 but there isn't. There are only a handful of companies doing any form of double pump for the X (BlaqOPs, Full Blown, AMS, Buschur). AMS does an inline, Buschur a double that is pretty much the same as what I've got now in the stock hanger.

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I wasn't ribbing, sorry if it came off like that but I never see the point in these sweet expensive hangers unless its the only solution, but usually people want to be ignorant and argue that it is even when its not.

Since I have never seen an evo fuel pump assem. I wouldn't know. A 1g you can clamp 2 pumps together around the sending unit, but well you have shane there and Im sure he would of said something to u.

I completely agree with u talking to LJ first i hate when people go online and slag off companies/people they buy shit from without talking to them (not that u have) but maybe he has something for you.

I say talk to shane about an inline pump, but it sounds like these sweet hangers are the norm and should work.
good luck, i might be running to DB a little later if u want me to run something there, i think swift is coming up so maybe he can pick whatever up from u

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Before ordering more parts, toss my double pump in and try it man, lol. You have spent so much already, i just hate to see you keep buying more and more parts and still have problems. It hurts me to see this even though i am not spending the money, lol. I never had issues with my setup really, a little bogging here and there, but usually on 1/4 or less, which is a stock evo type thing.

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I hope so. This fuel system is going to set me back thousands by the time it plays out.

Knowing our luck they'll start selling those damn hybrid Evos right about the time we figure everything out on the X.

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You need a new intake lomker, i just spoke with Shane (email), AMS said Gates maxed out right right where shane asked about...they run a 3.5" intake on Gate's car.

So if you ordered a 3" ETS one, stop the order!

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I've already ripped out the progressive controller and we have different plumbing and wiring. It's not impossible but it'd be 3-4 hours of work to test something and then I'd have to pull it back out.

If LJ can't help me figure out what's up with the Full Blown hanger then I already know that a single pump in my stock hanger works...I ran that for over six months. It'd just be a matter of getting it back.

I hate it as much as you do but I have to do this one step at a time.

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Interesting. I'll get ETS on the phone after the next meeting.

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Cancelled the ETS order since they weren't sure where theirs would max. Most of the big power cars have been on 4" intakes using their 35r kits. The 4" intakes neck down to a 3" MAF housing and the same 5" filter so it seems a little odd that it results in more flow. <shrug>

I've got an email into CBRD and IveyTune (ETS' suggestion) to get an opinion. I'm thinking I might need a 3" inlet upgrade on the turbo and a custom 3.5" intake. ETS figured they could do one but they'd have to source a flange and it'd take a few weeks if they needed to machine one.

My build is breaking more ground than I wanted or expected. lol.

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Yea, I emailed ETS and DB. I am either going to have to have DB fab one for me, or see if ETS can. Thankfully the FP turbo's have a 3" inlet.

That's what happens when you are the first to try things buddy, don't fret, it will work out.

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Might wanna check with Bryan@GST and see what he's using on some of his BBX or FP Red E85 cars, he must be near that threshold as well (might just be included in his posts about them). I would just have DB mod or make you a 3.5" intake and be done with it.

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Posted this on evoM but thought it was worth posting here too:

I'm kinda thinking something like this:

http://store.max-redline.com/servlet/-strse-49/Detail

plus this:

http://www.jmfabrications.com/site/i...mart&Itemid=58

plus a short 1.5" pipe for recirculating your BOV. Do it to it :)

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I figured I'd gather data for a day on the national forums but I'll ask DB what they can do, first.

That and some welding. If it'd result in more flow then you could cut down the 3" AMS pipe or use the stock plastic MAF housing with a larger pipe behind it. I'd want to leave this to Shane, Primo, or whoever can do it...the last thing I want is to homebrew something that Shane can't get to scale. I've heard that 4" pipes will not work with the MAF but I'm not sure about 3.5".

The thing is, the turbo only has a 2.75" inlet. I never took fluid dynamics or whatever so I don't understand how a bigger pipe in front of a small inlet works out. Is it because the turbo is sucking? :confused:

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http://www.maperformance.com/jm-fabr...nge-evo-x.html

You can get this in 3.5" size or 4" size :)

I think it is just a matter of not letting the MAF read 5.0V and then Shane can tune around it however. Even if it necks down it shouldn't matter too much, the problem here is the fact the MAF is maxed. With a bigger pipe, I believe that the MAF sees less air since there is more room around it to flow and therefore it reads a different voltage.

You could probably even cut the AMS part way and transition to a 3.5" intake where you put the MAF and filter.

I am probably going to sell my AMS one and I could probably pay for most of the fab work for DB.

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^That's what I just linked to a few posts up :)

So um, has anyone tried wiring in a GM MAF (3" or 3.5") in place of the stock EvoX MAF yet? wonder if they are compatible. Could also plumb it into a blow-through setup too if you were feeling crazy (not the best idea though imho).

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Yea I know, but i guess i didn't see the option for different sizes on your link, i probably missed it like a tard.