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mlomker 08-04-2010 02:01 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
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Originally Posted by turbotalon1g (Post 351796)
Driver Slash Mechanic

haha. Hadn't heard that one before.

311evo 08-04-2010 02:01 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m...1/311turbo.jpg

I think they sent you mine on accident, you better hand it over. :P

mlomker 08-04-2010 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 311evo (Post 351808)
I think they sent you mine on accident, you better hand it over. :P

Wow! That's cool.

scheides 08-04-2010 02:28 PM

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LOL! 311.

Murlo26 08-04-2010 05:15 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
While at DB Spaz noticed my stock 4b11 pistons said 0331 on them and commented on Jake, but was like oh not quite :)

Some completed head pics, nothing too fancy...Danny scared me about the shims falling out so I didn't want to mess with it too much. Thanks Spaz for holding the head while i snapped a pic!

Danny said his guy didn't get too crazy on the head because he didn't see much restriction. He said he got the bowls inside pretty ported out though. The 4b11 head flows very well already, i am sure this helps though :)

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...6/ced5c881.jpg

The oversized valves all in :)

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...6/bb8ed901.jpg

So it sounds like every piece for the build is there now. Danny said its just a matter of putting the head on the block and putting the bitch back in. So hopefully they don't have too many emergencies of people that need stuff asap so they can focus, lol.

Also, I think i am going with the cocktail mix when they put the tranny back in...the amsoil felt really thick until it heated up and didn't seem to help the notchiness enough.

mlomker 08-04-2010 06:01 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Yeah, Red Line sounds like the way to go.

scheides 08-04-2010 06:17 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Awesome! What headstuds are you putting in this beast?

Murlo26 08-04-2010 08:54 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
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Originally Posted by scheides (Post 351841)
Awesome! What headstuds are you putting in this beast?

Standard ARP's.

That is all they have besides the cosworths and I am not shelling out that much for headstuds.

I spoke with Danny on this and he thought I'd be fine anyway. The Evo heads aren't prone to lifting like the dsm heads. Also all the big builds use ARP ones anyway.

Not to mention ETS used ARP's on their 800whp build at like 40psi, i think i'll be ok :)

Kracka 08-05-2010 07:52 AM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Great choice on the Redline cocktailX (2xMTL 1xMT90). I put mine in at 1,200 miles and still felt I waited too long :D

Murlo26 08-05-2010 08:23 AM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
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Originally Posted by Kracka (Post 351918)
Great choice on the Redline cocktailX (2xMTL 1xMT90). I put mine in at 1,200 miles and still felt I waited too long :D

The AMSoil was better than stock, but it just seemed way too thick I think.

Kracka 08-05-2010 08:32 AM

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The Amsoil is a 75W-90, Evo X spec is 75W-80 (for comparison, 8/9's call for 75W-85).

mlomker 08-05-2010 08:35 AM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
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Originally Posted by Kracka (Post 351924)
The Amsoil is a 75W-90, Evo X spec is 75W-80 (for comparison, 8/9's call for 75W-85).

How the hell do you keep so much trivia in your head? lol.

Murlo26 08-05-2010 08:36 AM

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Hmmm, probably why it seemed a bit thick, lol.

When it warmed up it felt great though :)

The guy on EvoM insisted it worked better for evo drivers, lol. Since we beat the shit outta our cars. But I think the AMSoil is more of a track thing.

Kracka 08-05-2010 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by mlomker (Post 351928)
How the hell do you keep so much trivia in your head? lol.

I have no idea, must be the one section of brain that alcohol hasn't yet affected :lol:

Kracka 08-05-2010 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Murlo26 (Post 351929)
The guy on EvoM insisted it worked better for evo drivers, lol. Since we beat the shit outta our cars. But I think the AMSoil is more of a track thing.

You'll love the Redline. I've been running it in all my cars since 2001 including my DSM's, S2000, Evos, and my wife's WRX.

scheides 08-05-2010 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Murlo26 (Post 351866)
The Evo heads aren't prone to lifting like the dsm heads. Also all the big builds use ARP ones anyway.

Heh my evo8 begs to differ :P But yea, you'll be fine with standard arps, just curious!

Murlo26 08-05-2010 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by scheides (Post 351936)
Heh my evo8 begs to differ :P But yea, you'll be fine with standard arps, just curious!

Touche :)

I guess we will see, I think i'll be alright.

I do plan to run as much boost as humanly possible on the black though :) 40 sounds very fun.

Shane said we will have to wait and see how knock is going and if the ignition system can keep up. Might have to go to E98...but that would be on my alt map for like the track or something.

mlomker 08-05-2010 09:07 AM

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The stock X can take over 30, which wasn't true of the VIII. We've all heard of 35r guys running 40 on stock ignition so I suspect it'll work.

Hopefully the new motor doesn't have that phantom knock issue your stock one did.

scheides 08-05-2010 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by mlomker (Post 351940)
The stock X can take over 30, which wasn't true of the VIII. We've all heard of 35r guys running 40 on stock ignition so I suspect it'll work.

Hopefully the new motor doesn't have that phantom knock issue your stock one did.

Also untrue :) Gap the plugs down and stock evo8-9 ignition (or are we talking headstuds? that works too!) can handle some pretty big boost. Is it the best/safest setup? Probably not, but I've seen it done!

Not trying to call you guys on every detail, but evoX is not so amazingly different/better than the evo8/9 or 1G/2G DSMs as most evoX owners depict.

Murlo26 08-05-2010 09:18 AM

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I spoke to Shane/Danny and Michael at ETS and they all said the Evo heads in general didn't really have the lifting head problems the DSM's did...I am not saying the Evo X is better than the 8/9's at that but for sure the DSM's.

Also, AFAIK, the stock X has COP, the 8/9's don't so I guess I assumed it was better I could be wrong...

But Shane said high boost on E85 requires some pretty crazy ignition, he said it won't necessarily break up but boost might go up and power won't he said.

No one on the X has done super high HP on E85 aside from Gates. I wonder if he is on the stock ignition still. He has slowly gotten rid of most stock stuff.

mlomker 08-05-2010 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by scheides (Post 351941)
(or are we talking headstuds? that works too!)

The X's don't need them into the low 30's--perhaps further since I've never read a report of a head lifting. Seems like all of the VIII owners upgrade them.

Kracka 08-05-2010 09:56 AM

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I think a lot of the VIII guys prematurely replaced their headstuds b/c they came into the game with a DSMer's mentality (and background). It became much less frequent with the IX's as they began to prove how much they could take and people finally started to realize that replacing the headstuds prematurely was leading to more issues than it was preventing.

mlomker 08-05-2010 09:56 AM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
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Originally Posted by Murlo26 (Post 351945)
No one on the X has done super high HP on E85 aside from Gates.

Have you read the threads on Gump's build? He's E85...retarded power level, regardless of how dynos read.

Kracka 08-05-2010 09:59 AM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
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Originally Posted by Murlo26 (Post 351945)
X has COP, the 8/9's don't

This is correct. The 8/9 has what I guess you could call a half COP setup with 2 cylinders having coils and the other two having plug wires leading from the coil to the sparkplug. The two coils did seem to be lacking though, the Denso ones that people upgrade to (Spoolinup and SparkTech kits) are much stronger. that being said, I ran my stock plugs out to .027" gap on the stock coils/boots/wires with no misfires at 26psi on pump gas, I then switched to the Denso coils and ran Denso plugs out to .031" gap with again no issues or misfires.

Kracka 08-05-2010 10:01 AM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
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Originally Posted by scheides (Post 351941)
but evoX is not so amazingly different/better than the evo8/9 or 1G/2G DSMs as most evoX owners depict.

This is very true and one of the major things that really irritates me when reading EvoXForums and the X section on EvoM. Different engine and layout yet, but overall the cars are all very similar and respond similarly to mods. A lot of knowledge learned from DSM's and 8/9's effectively carries over to the X.

Murlo26 08-05-2010 10:07 AM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
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Originally Posted by mlomker (Post 351957)
Have you read the threads on Gump's build? He's E85...retarded power level, regardless of how dynos read.

I don't think so...pretty sure he is on Race fuel, c16 or vp or something.

He only has 1300cc injectors, don't think that would support 800whp. I could be wrong though.

Just checked he was on sunoco 117.

cmspaz 08-05-2010 10:07 AM

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The technical term, as far as I've been led to believe at least, is a COP/slave system.

mlomker 08-05-2010 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Kracka (Post 351961)
A lot of knowledge learned from DSM's and 8/9's effectively carries over to the X.

Are you saying that people don't believe you when you tell them stuff or just that they don't know what was previously done? If someone had bought an Evo X as their first Mitsu then they probably haven't spent a lot of time reading DSM forums. I'd be willing to bet that applies to half of the X owners on the forums.

You'll find more knowledgable people on the DSM, 8 & 9 forums because mechanically inclined people are more likely to buy one. Guys that are afraid of wrenches buy something new and with a warranty. Mitsu warranty ftw. lol.

Kracka 08-05-2010 11:37 AM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
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Originally Posted by mlomker (Post 351984)
Are you saying that people don't believe you when you tell them stuff or just that they don't know what was previously done?

Both :) This relates to suspension and brake setups too, they're very similar in design to the 8/9.

scheides 08-11-2010 12:57 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Have you seen what people are saying about the DW1300's? Very inconsistent, very noisy, kinda scurry:

http://forums.evolutionm.net/evo-x-e...ml#post8573934

Murlo26 08-11-2010 01:08 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
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Originally Posted by scheides (Post 352766)
Have you seen what people are saying about the DW1300's? Very inconsistent, very noisy, kinda scurry:

http://forums.evolutionm.net/evo-x-e...ml#post8573934

Noise doesn't bother me...won't be able to hear it over my turbo and exhaust anyway. I will wait and see, hopefully I get lucky. Or maybe I will end up buying another set of 1000's, lol, and totally regret selling mine.

edit: people always said the 1000's were loud and clicky too, i never heard them over my other stuff.

mlomker 08-11-2010 01:31 PM

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Umm, yeah...Buschur exhaust.

311evo 08-11-2010 01:35 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
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Originally Posted by mlomker (Post 352778)
Umm, yeah...Buschur exhaust.


Buschur exhaust helps the shitty idling heh? And when you're in front of the car, you can hear the tick quite a bit.

turbotalon1g 08-11-2010 01:36 PM

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ID2000s if u are gonna 35r

Murlo26 08-11-2010 01:40 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
Perhaps this ticking from this vid of my car was the injectors, never really thought about it cause you can't hear it in the car.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdzA2PgRMqE&hd=1

Murlo26 08-11-2010 01:41 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
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Originally Posted by turbotalon1g (Post 352780)
ID2000s if u are gonna 35r

Yep, I might get them anyway for the black, who knows. So many damn injectors...sigh.

mlomker 08-11-2010 01:41 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
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Originally Posted by 311evo (Post 352779)
Buschur exhaust helps the shitty idling heh?

When the ID2000's were in my car the warm starts weren't so good. It's safe to say all of the larger injectors have their issues. The ID's ran like a top once the car was started.

I hear people whining about how loud the Bosch 044 is as well. I can't hear it from the driver's seat, even with the windows down. Who cares if the guy next to me at a stoplight has to listen to it?

scheides 08-11-2010 01:42 PM

Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
 
I noticed the 800's were a bit louder than the stock injectors. Kinda made me sad, if I go any bigger I think I'll get ID's, super loud ticking is never a noise I wanna hear.

turbotalon1g 08-11-2010 01:47 PM

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ID2000 have been said to be the cat's meow, but I don't know how your ECU works, but for everything else on the planet.

Thems the shit.

turbotalon1g 08-11-2010 01:47 PM

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ID2000 have been said to be the cat's meow, but I don't know how your ECU works, but for everything else on the planet.

Thems the shit.


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