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Hey one other idea, maybe the clamps from the pump outlet are loose, allowing pressure to escape back into the fuel tank? Or a ruptured hose?

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I'm wishing that I'd just gone Hobbs from the start. I didn't know that FB sold the Hobbs switches and whatnot until after paying BlaqOPs for their progressive setup. They advertised that as better than their Hobbs setup and I'm a sucker for gadgets, what can I say?

Dave has the same BlaqOPs pumps but in a stock fuel pump housing and with an afpr setup from MAP. The wrench that I threw into this was the FB hanger and I still have the stock fpr. The only thing about the FB hanger that weirds me out is the suction line setup, other than that it's just a couple holes for pushing gas so what could go wrong? lol.

I had the pump housing out and took it all apart last night to replace the primary pump, so the hoses are all good. I guess I could verify the hard-line connections underneath the car.

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I was going to say...mine seems to work out great.

The blaqops got me because a lot of X guys ran it with great reviews...i feel like mine worked out fine and seemed to work great.

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Not gonna lie, I probably woudl have bought the progressive kit too. I urged trevor to do so on his car! It's easy to say you wouldn't do it again now that you're having problems, have to just see what happens I guess.

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Like I said, i have seen it work perfect more times then not...but perhaps the sometimes i was getting backfires, possible misfires, was because of this kit.

Hopefully not what destroyed my motor??

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Yeah, it's just going to take some troubleshooting to isolate. My enemy is time...neither Shane nor I have very much. lol.

I ordered a couple new fuel pressure guages. I'll definitely leave my setup better than where it started, one way or another.

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If you want to try switching my AFPR setup to your car for testing purposes you can also try that, i'd just prefer if Shane did it or one of their techs, lol. No offense to you, you can take it off, but id like him to put it back :)

My car is not moving so mind as well make use of parts from it to help troubleshoot...between us we could make a single functioning EVO!!

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If it comes to that then I'm inclined to plumb in a setup for myself and leave it there. It'd just be one more thing that I hadn't planned on doing. lol.

I'd still like to take a peek at yours to see how they handled the hard-line connection. The pipe seemed a bit small to just clamp a 6AN hose on there.

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LOL, ok, the offer is on the table...just trying to save you some bank.

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Are you the local guy who bought our hanger and had it shipped to blaqops?

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Shane was able to figure out my power window problem. Woot! Now we're just down to that pesky fuel issue.

I just ordered $100 worth of fittings from Jegs for plumbing in my Aeromotive afpr. Not sure if I ordered all of the correct stuff...it's not the easiest task, especially without the car here at home to measure stuff. We will see!

That would be me. Murlo (Dave) has the same pumps but in the stock (plastic) hanger.

http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/a.../fullblown.jpg

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Gotcha, another thing is that I highly doubt the suction assembly has anything to do with the erratic pressure. The suction assembly works off the return line and I see no way of getting backed up. The gss342 is a normally closed pump. If the second pump is not on, then it would just act as a check valve.

The first thing i would do since you have a progressive controller on there, is to bypass that controller by running straight 12 volts to the both pumps. Seems as though the progressive controller is pulsating the second pump. In all honesty, I would ditch the progressive controller. There is no need to progressively control intank fuel pumps. Progressively controlling pumps will help keep them cool. If you had a big external pump that whines like hell and heats up on the street, then I would install the progressive controller. Hope that helps a bit. LJ

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So if it weren't powered then it wouldn't back-flow? If that's the case then I could install one in the second pump position and the hanger should operate okay as a single-pump setup...temporarily.

If I hear from Shane that the pump swap didn't help then I'm leaning toward installing a Hobbs switch setup.

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Yep, we have tested this in the vehicle and on the bench.

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The pump swap didn't work. Shane said that scheides was going to be at DB on Saturday and he'd try swapping the fpr for me if there was time.

I have afpr parts on the way and am going to convert the setup to a dual GSS342 with the second pump on a Hobbs. Waiting to hear from BlaqOPs to see if they have one in stock, otherwise I'll source the switch locally.

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You can use anything of mine you need man! We'll try it. I also will stick a few things in your trunk, if that's ok :)

-Ferodo DS2500 EvoX pads
-ATE Super Blue
-2Gb MicroSD card (I should have a copy of the config file I've been on there, if not I'll email it to you)
-ODB2 cable extender. I ran mine from the stock plug location all the way under the center console to the armwrest, very slick!

Thanks again for loaning me stuff, I owe ya man!

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^He would so love to stick something in your trunk.

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Mike, make sure this is how your siphon piece is setup.

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p...k/DSCN0056.jpg

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p...k/DSCN0061.jpg

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p...k/DSCN0062.jpg

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Spent a lot of time on this thing today with shane and mike. I'll let lomker explain, but it is getting closer and closer :) Saw it rip off a good pull with the 1000's and a single pump, out of fuel at like 6800rpms and shane shut it down, and it was making damn awesome power.

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Ooo! in for updates.

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Thanks a lot! I pulled my pump for the 3rd time yesterday and fixed the suction line per your first photo. I know you sent me a photo when I first got the hanger but it wasn't as clear to me.

We *were* having suction line issues yesterday. I had taken this photo to ask you about it because it was not working like this:

http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/a...uctionline.jpg

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I'm very thankful toward Shane and scheides for the time on Saturday to isolate the fuel system problems. I don't know everyone by name yet but thanks for your help!

We tried quite a few things: running as a single pump, swapping fuel pump relays, the fpr from scheides' car, and checking electrical connections.

When we unwrapped the wiring for connecting the pumps to the car, we discovered that the connections didn't look very sound and it didn't take much wiggling to break the ground wires off. We ended up jumpering the pump grounds over the car-side plug and once we did so, the fuel pressure stabilized.

We still had lean conditions/misfires despite the good fuel pressure so we knew we had another problem. We siphoned 3 gallons of E85 from another car and dumped it into mine...turns out that the suction line on the Full Blown hanger was not getting fuel from the other side of the tank. It'd drain the side that the pump was on and run out of fuel.

Full Blown gave me a suggestion for correcting the suction line (see the previous two posts) so I've done that. I've also hooked up the BlaqOPs secondary pump again. Hopefully we're good to go now. I'm planning to run a 5gal can of E85 up to DB today...too bad there isn't a station in Rogers.

In the end we got one good pull in. As scheides mentioned, Shane pulled it around 6800 at 418hp since it ran out of single pump. My redline will be 9k when we're done so she has some more power to make.

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Man that's weird, it doesn't look *that* different from the previous photo. Hopefully this small change helps, because that pump-side saddle was eeeempty!


Judging by what I've seen and extrapolating the data out, the car would have hit 450whp at 8000 if it had enough fuel. Who knows what will happen after that, but needless to say I'm excited to see :)

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Mike, is the suction sitting inside the baffle or outside? It looks as though the hose that connects it to the housing it too long and the return may be bottoming out. If it is bottoming out, then it would block the return. Blocking the return will just pump the fuel into the otherside of the tank. When you reinstall it, make sure the pump assembly is not sitting on the line as well.

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Here is how short we have it. Notice the siphon is sitting above the bottom of the pumps. The baffle should slide over all of this and protect it. Im glad you found the wiring issues. I knew it was something stupid. We never had an issue with the evo x and 2g kits. They are based on the same design.

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p...k/DSCN0056.jpg

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...I still smell like gas. Your car and scheides car I blame for this.

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That's exactly how I have it now. I'm sure you're right...the bottom outlet was probably obstructed.

I thought that was your cologne? Oh, well. Thanks for the help. :D

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Thats awesome power, you will be the highest hp X once you are done in MN won't you?

it sounds like you are getting there man, keep up the good work.

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Unless there's a T3 lurking out there somewhere. With all the mods I should be the highest on a stock frame turbo.

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I would like a ride when its done, after being in scheides X I can see why people like them so much, I think i need to drive one too.

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Any update yet? Dyno numbers from today??

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For now:hide:

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Keep dreamin'. In the meantime your car don't run. ;)

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Very very true...I am trying to break the X record for sitting at DB the longest right now...I got a ways to go on that one before I can compete with you :)

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I'm assuming that the turbo is going to have to come off and go back to CBRD this Winter to get checked out (something is burning oil on pulls).

Hopefully you'll figure out the right wheel combo for me by then. :D

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Always happy to be the test bunny, lol :D

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Lmao, ouch.

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture...uchCharlie.png

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Naw, he said he'd throw it on if he has time between appointments. For the last few weeks that has meant Friday. I think he books Fridays light so he has some time to catch up on things.

I would like to have it sorted by the MAP weekend since my next HPDE is that Monday. Other than that it doesn't matter much.

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Was he there again today?

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I don't know. I dropped off a 5gal can of E85 but just left it outside.