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Guess I didn't notice this post before. The car sounds good and doesn't sound too far off the tone my car makes. Cars generally sound different inside than on the outside (mine does anyways). I don't want to put a video in your thread, but I have a video of MAM I could link you to showing you what mine sounds like. If you want to see it, PM me.

We didn't have the Go Pro with us for the event and they didn't allow passengers so the video isn't the greatest. It was primarily used to time a lap with minimal traffic.

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I guess I will read more next time before posting. But if all things were equal, which I assumed they were (at least pretty close to it), what I said might have more validity. I'm basically trying to help, in a round about way.

Also, saying "owned" is SO played out. Pretty sure I invented that in high school.

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Shane said he'd take a look at my tune over the weekend. He mentioned trying a different ROM on it. I'm going to drop off the DW1000's in case we need to go with plan-B.

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Good choice :)

I like that you switched your ride to the plymouth, lol, nice:)

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I already ordered a mod of sorts...I'll have a $500 stereo in the $1200 car. The doors are rusted through at the bottom so I'm not exactly expecting good sound...just need to have my Sirius.

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Ive started modding my beater too, lol. Spent about 600 so far.

Maintenance and sound!

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I went with a Kenwood head and CDT Audio coaxials. I've had good luck with both in the past and the prices weren't bad.

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I've had Kenwood components before in my Audio days, there were solid. I still haven't found in my opinion anything that I like better for the price than Alpine. I feel like they have great stuff across the board. I haven't heard Kenwood's new stuff yet though, but i am sure it is solid.

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NOOOO - Dont modify the beaters... Dont give yourself a reason to care about locking the doors! LOL .. Once the mods start.. I can see it now.. both of you are posting on homemade turbo looking for the best bang for your buck fuel setup using a old Stock evo x turbo on a honda accord\ plymouth acclaim. LOL

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I have been debating on a 2.2L VTEC head swap from the H22A motor, lol. Would be so sweet!

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It's all relative. A $200 head unit isn't enough for me to care about it (nobody steals door speakers and the Sirius would take too long to remove). It has 150k miles so I wonder if it's even worth changing the oil on it. ;)

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I'm an Eclipse fan-boy but I'm not spending that kind of money. I had Alpine in one of my cars and I didn't like it that much. That may have been due to the rest of the setup, though.

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Eclipse was awesome before they sold out to JVC and got marketed to Best Buy/Walmart.

They still have a premier line, but for the bottom end model of that I think it's still >$500.

Alpine makes the best band for the buck on head units, as far as their inboard amps go. And functionality/reliability is great. (at least when you get into the $300 range). Only other kind of deck I would buy would be a pioneer Premier (>$300). They have the most powerfull inboard amps, and look great even though they are not very user friendly.

Kenwood decks are.. different. Some models they have are great, and other models lack functionality/quality.

Speakers, My favorites are Eclipse and Crossfire. Both of those are great. Same pics for amps/subs as well. Can't go wrong with these, but you're going to be spending a LOT more then you would at a shitty best buy.

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I know you're in the biz so a lot less biased than I am. I tend to find a brand and stick with it. I'm super picky about speakers but not so much on other things. I use to buy Boston Acoustics but I gave up on that once I heard CDT.

My car was on the rollers at DB...dropped off the DW injectors, just in case.

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I have had a few sets of Diamond Audio speakers and the quality was great.

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Rollers huh? So what happened?

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I hope he went home and had a beer. I had to split for grad school so I didn't stick around.

I just want to have it for next weekend...MAP's dyno on the 5th and auto-x novice school. I've got some cones to ruin. :D

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I suppose I should make an FnF joke about parts from Japan, but I'm sure you've heard it.

http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/a.../japanpost.jpg

These are just fog deletes but they are the first part that I've actually bought *from* Japan.

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Did Shane get to your car yesterday?

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Was in the biz, haha. Everyone had their favorite brands, it's the best to go with whatever you like.

You should give a listen to the higher end eclipse components. I have a feeling they would blow your mind, especially when they get amp'd.

Bump for car update.

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The update is that the car is giving Shane problems and it doesn't seem to be the injectors. He has concerns about both the intake and the fuel system at this point (both of which are new with this build but basically the same as murlo's).

We're in troubleshooting mode and won't know more until he has a second person to help him check a few things.

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Hmmm, interesting, well good luck.

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It's interesting in that Shoot Me Now! sort of way.

I traded a couple emails with Chris at BlaqOPs. Of course he's never heard of this issue...and suggested that it might be the Full Blown hanger. The suction line setup is the only peculiar thing about that and it's hard to imagine how a suction line issue would only affect part-throttle and not WOT.

Do you still have your stock BOV hose? I might need to throw a stock intake on there, depending on what Shane wants to test.

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I should still have all my stock intake parts yea.

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Shane sent me a brief video showing erratic fuel pressure at a steady load on the dyno (in vacuum). On the BlaqOPs kits only the main Wally 255 is running under vacuum. He suggested that we try swapping it out with a new one as a test. I guess that's a reasonably-priced thing to test.

If necessary I will have BlaqOPs modify my stock hanger for their system (how they normally do it) and ditch the Full Blown hanger. Chris @BlaqOPs says that he has a fuel pressure gauge on his car and it definitely shouldn't be doing this:

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That's holding the car at 3000rpms and 5 inches of vacuum in 3rd gear rolling on the dyno. It's no wonder why the fuel trims keep going all over the place from right around 0 STFT to +12.5(max it will do) STFT and back and forth.

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Yuck!

So is the second pump just turning on and off there? Maybe try lowering the on point of the second pump or something? But I doubt that is it, since the second pump shouldn't turn on until you hit boost right? There isn't a boost leak on that line to the blaqbox is there?

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The second pump should be off within one second of the car dropping below the boost thresh-hold. This is the primary 255 misbehaving, for whatever reason.

It could still be a backflow issue or something with the suction/return line but it seems less probable than a bad Walbro.

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I see...nevermind on the leak, that wouldn't turn it on in vacuum still.

Yea I wonder if the return is goofed up...you could have shane pull my wally out of my car and test it that way if you want. Unless he has one there.

Let me know.

Or you could drop in my blaqops setup and try that if you want. Not sure how much actual work that would be but worth a try.

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Very generous Dave, thanks. I'm waiting to hear if Shane has a GSS342 on hand. If not then I'll make a couple calls. They are common enough.

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Not like I am going to be using mine anytime soon, lol. Not a problem, the car is already up there too :)

If the pump didn't work and the fuel assembly was the culprit i would say it would be worth a try to swap in my setup quick for testing...maybe not quick but before you spend another 500 on another double pump setup.

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Ended up buying a pump at RS on Tues night and ran out to DB and installed it tonight.

Beautiful weather and it was fun to work on the car again. Nothing is ever that easy for me so I'm not really expecting that to fix anything.

Danny found the missing key fob. It had somehow lodged itself underneath the amp that is under the driver's seat. He's a good guy.

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So they putting it back on the dyno soon?

I figured it was under the seat somewhere.

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He zip-tied it to a lanyard this time. lol.

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Good stuff. so back to the dyno?

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Just curious as to why you have it set up to do progressive fueling. We have sold a ton of these kits and the best way is to activate the second pump at a low boost pressure (3-5psi). Another way is just to have them stay on all the time. Im not sure how blaqops is progressively controlling the pumps but that would put more stress on the pump if it had to ramp up and down all the time. Plus it just adds more to the equation for failure. I,m guessing he is using some sort of voltage regulator to do so, but that's just my guess.

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He has a controller box that runs off of boost. It controls a special 270lph Walbro that is designed to run progressive. Normally it'd turn on at 5psi or so and then it'll progressively ramp up to a cut-off psi, normally 15 (they are adjustable). They also do a simpler Hobbs kit with two GSS342's in it, which is what you mentioned.

I don't know what I'll try next if it wasn't the primary pump. Try to find a stock FPR to borrow from someone and swap it in, I suppose. After that I have to consider pulling your hanger and having BlaqOPs do their normal setup in a stock hanger. They said they'd help me with that for free and I've already got too much money into this fueling setup. <sigh>

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It seems like a lot of the fuel from the main pump is getting pushed back into the tank when the other pump isn't on. It won't support any amount of HP when the other pump isn't on. You have to have the secondary pump come on immediately to get it to transition into boost without going lean and misfiring. I am not sure what the advantage of the progressive setup would be, just seems to add more possible problems. With your Fullblown setups on the 8/9s we were always fine having the second pump come on at even higher boost levels like 15-20+ PSI and it still be able to support good power on 1 pump and be a totally seemless transition when switching the second pump on at those kind of boost levels. With a lot of the bigger power setup we run both pumps all the time, just need a decent FPR that can handle it at idle/part throttle. I just did a Supra that runs 2 pumps all the time and the third pump comes on at 27psi.

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In that case the assumption is that the progressive pump back-flows more than a second GSS342 would. Whether progressive or Hobbs, the second pump would not be running under vacuum.

Converting my setup to a Hobbs switch would just require swapping the other 342 in as the second pump and obtaining a Hobbs switch. All the wiring is already there in the glovebox for hooking it up.

I'll be waiting to hear from you before I try something else. I could disable the second pump and try running it as a single pump. That would isolate the rest of the fuel system setup.

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I say get a hobbs switch and try it that way, and if it still causes problems then plug the second opening and revert to single pump. Gah what a PITA, I feel for you guys :(