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Wow, that really sucks. At least they last forever I guess. On my old 16g setup on my 1g, I would get about 2 tanks of gas for each set of plugs. lol

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Misfires are always bad but the car actually makes less power at 3k rpm now than it did on the stock turbo.

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I just got an email from DW saying that they are making 1200's as well. To be released 'this Summer'. Hmpf. Bastards.

Coming Soon!
1000cc, 1200cc, 1300cc, 1500cc

This summer DeatschWerks will be releasing new larger sizes for many of our applications.

Subaru, Mitsubishi, Nissan, Toyota, Mazda, Hyundai, Honda, and more
All 100% drop in fitment and high impedance
All flow matched and coil matched
Great for E85 tunes

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I thought u had the ID injectors?

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Yeah. Shane says that the X doesn't have some of the injector-related tables that he normally uses to dial them in. Without those it'll take more time and tinkering to get them running smoothly.

It's the hazard of owning a newer car...you end up paying the hourly rate while vendors, tuners, etc. figure out how to do things. It ultimately does help out the community but American Express keeps sending me thank-you letters. :rollinglaugh:

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I've been trying to get more tables out of some of the beta testers I've been working with, but no one seems to have them yet. :(

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Get MAP sensor tables first, lol. A 4 bar scaling would be so awesome. Even though i just sold my 4bar :(

More injector tables would be good though too.

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oh and you want to switch to the DW injectors?

It is a hazard of a newer car and trying something new, it still happens with older cars too, usually we know what we are getting into.

Why didn't you try FIC bluemax injectors?

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I have a motorola freescale 4 bar map sensor if you need it. $30

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It's cool, I have an omni 4bar that plugs right in for testing, just gotta get tephra's stuff tested first :)

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Worthless on the X, lol, no one has MAP scaling yet.

I had an OMNI 4 bar i just sold that I wanted to use, but couldn't.

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Yea thats the same one I sold, yea Tephra testing more important:)

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They require splicing and Shane was concerned about the latency. There were no results at the time I made the parts list for my build but people have subsequently reported good luck on the X with the 1100's.

Shane has some experience with the ID's and sold them to me at a fair price so that's why I went that way.

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If you can dial them in they will be the last injector you buy, assuming they don't break.

They are great injectors, its just a LOT of fuel to control.

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Now that my car has formally moved to 'toy status', I'm thinking about lightening the car a bit. Need to talk to someone about fabricating a rear seat delete that'll look nice. Beatrush makes one for the 8/9's but per usual nothing is out yet for the X. I saw a thread the other day where a guy made new brackets for a Beatrush.

My brother shot some video yesterday...I'll have to sort through it and see what he got. Next month I'll strap the Go Pro HD to the front grille and get some footage...I didn't get enough laps in on this trip to do anything like that.

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Cool dude, i was just wondering that is all. Also just trying to help on the map sensor thing, its just sitting here.

Do they sell lightweight pieces for your car? Since the market is bigger for the X I hope you guys get some good pieces or maybe you can convince some local shops to make some for you.

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I haven't researched a lot yet. Fairly basic things like a replacement undertray are only made by one company (Carbing). I really wish Beatrush would get into the game because they have some nice-looking shit for the 8/9's.

I'll just start by gutting the trunk and get an aluminum cover for where the seat back would go. Since I'm still going for a combo street/track car I'm thinking I'll Dynomat the back of it and the floor where the seat bottom would normally go (we'll see how heavy that stuff is...I've never used it before).

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MAP says that the DW1300's will be available for public sale this week. $549.

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Order them up!

I know I will be;) 1300's should be more than enough for e85 with the double pumper for all my needs.

I am sure they would come close to supporting a t3 kit too, if i need to i could raise base pressure.

But more than enough for stock frame turbos. That is good news.

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If you still want your car to be street/track, why don't you just take the excess things like the rear seat out just before you go to the track?

Also, you probably won't like the Go Pro too much. If you haven't opened it, I would try to return it. Mine takes ok picture, but doesn't have any audible sound. Would be better off creating a mounting spot for your digital camera.

I have some video I could show you from when I was at the track with the Go Pro last year. Might be too big to email though.

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Sound is awful on all of the small devices, including the digital camcorder that I've shot a few clips on. The lack of image stabilization on these devices could be a problem, I suspect.

They've got some baller setups that use GPS or OBDII port data as overlays and of course that'd be awesome.

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I stopped up at DB today and was talking with Danny and he explained to me better about the key fob, that is kind of funny, but sucks at the same time.

It's gotta be somewhere in there, i would pull seats first, you know its under there somewhere.

Man, what a lame problem to have, sorry man, lol.

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That one is bizarre. The one-touch up on my driver's window also stopped working during that week, which may be a coincidence. I tried doing a power reset on the ECU and it is still convinced that the fob is in there.

I was joking that if we pull the interior then I might as well put a full cage in there. Just kidding this time. haha.

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The window thing you have to do a goofy thing to reset it i think. At least my RSX was that way upon power loss.

You would have to hold the button down until it closed then keep holding it down for a while. Then do the same for opening it or something like that.

I just keep opening and closing it and holding it for a while and eventually it would work.

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My Go Pro doesn't register any sound on my car and my car is fairly loud.

One of the viper guys that I know has a pretty nice setup. He has a racepak data logging system and software to work with his GPS to show him gong around the track. If you search for the BIR short course on youtube, you will see it with him running a 1:45 lap (which is fast for a street car). It would probably cost $2k for a similar setup though.

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I would laugh if you were there having a convo about pulling the interior and putting in a cage just to have u turn away for second and turn back to Danny in his welding gear, asking if you want swingouts or not. lol

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These guys may soon have the answer to your guy's needs. I know the guys behind it, and I personally handled a national rally event(in CA/AZ) with their equipment a couple months ago for testing.. It's good stuff. Basically it's video/sound, and gps mapped. Gives all sorts of data, and the video/map interface is pretty slick. It's not public yet, but here is the site for reference:

http://www.qudup.com/

*Edit: I was just told a new site is coming soon.

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^ Haven't heard of that one before.

Below is a link to one of the videos I was talking about. He needed the racepak data logging system and the trackvision software. My $2k price is probably a little high. Last time I talked to the guy, he said prices have gone down on the racepak.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkcmR-cxf7Y

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The videos my brother shot didn't turn out too well. The combination of my only taking 8 laps, the wind, and the poor vantage point near turns 12 & 13. I was running this section of the track fairly slow...I intend to add a lot of speed through here next time.

The only interesting thing is the bov around :11. I love the sound of that thing.

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I never get to hear my own exhaust but this clip sounds pretty cool.

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Looks fun, once you get used to the car i am sure you will rocket through that part.

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Why insist on larger injectors when you can just turn up the fuel pressure? Injector Dynamics themselves say it's fine to run 100psi. So set your base pressure at 60psi if you are running out of fuel with the 1000s.

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Cranking the fuel pressure lowers the output of the fuel pump.

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That requires an afpr setup, which isn't free. It also makes controlling the idle difficult and you have to disable the pressure reliefs on a Wally 255 to make it happen. I looked into this approach and most tuners didn't like the idea of upping pressure by more than 2-3 psi.

My 1000cc injectors are DW. The ID2000's flow an insane amount at high pressures. 3710 at 130psi!

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ID's aren't magically different than different brands when it comes to flowing more at high pressure. Your DW's will do the same. Also, I'm under the impression that there are different types of walbro pumps, specifically a low and high pressure version. Or go with a fancy anodized pump from another manufacturer that can actually work at higher pressures.

VW guys have been putting 4 and 5 bar fpr's on their stock injectors for a long time. Maybe floppyhead could expand on his trite statement by showing a chart or something of fuel flow over psi for a regular walbro? Maybe?

Also, with all you've done, I am actually surprised you don't have a bcfpr. 20 pages and no aftermarket fpr? For shame! It's one of the first things I bought.

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I must admit, the racing fuel setups are pretty bling. Gates' surge tank looks like an octopus in his trunk...pretty cool.

I actually do own one but I haven't bought all the hoses and fittings to install it. It shouldn't be necessary with this turbo from a flow perspective.

This isn't a regular Walbro but the principle should be the same. You'd want a beefy pump setup if you were doing something extreme like doubling the base.

http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/a...lpumptest2.jpg

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They are different! Some injector will actually start flowing less at higher base pressure.

You need some crazy fuel pump setup to run a high base pressure with high boost on top of it. You would only be able to run super high base's with an all-motor car or with mechanical fuel pumps. Walbros also don't like much over 75-80psi, so 60psi + 30psi of boost = past the crack pressure.



Most people don't need an AFPR, it's one of the most over hyped and often un-needed parts that people waste their money on instead of actual parts they need.

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...and owned. Nice info Shane, thanks for clarifying those points.

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+1, lol. I enjoyed that.

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meh, I like FattyBoomBatty. I love his car and he's a decent conversationalist. Some people on here don't discuss things because they 'know' they are right and don't feel a need to explain their answers.

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^Good point and very good info on this page.