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All I'm saying is if you got $10 to $15,000 by all means build yourself a 2.4 and have a reputable shop do it or if your some seasoned vet of the game and really know what your doing WITHOUT SECOND GUESSING yourself. Dude is on a budget and for a DIYer its not what I would recommend a 2.3 would be less if a pain in the ass and would yield much better results.

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yeah i hear ya, the 2.3 is definitely cheaper i was just trying to add that the 2.4 tends to get a bad wrap a lot of times. And dont worry me and tyler are friends so I knew about this awhile ago we're about 2 of 4 evos in the Mankato area so we talk lol

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Actually the 2.4 is not more expensive. The 2.4 crank is pretty much the same price as the 2.4 block and crank, all the other stuff is the same, actually I think 2.3 pistons are slightly higher because of their 6mm shorter pin to deck height. I could be wrong, either way, it's a wash. But yeah, if your existing block is good, the 2.3 is definitely the way to go since you don't need the water pump adapter and you have the oil squirters.

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He has a MIVEC Evo IX also, so he wouldn't have to deal with making that work with the 2.4 block if he did a 2.3l and could run stock cam gears.

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I agree with this, another reason I'd rather do a 2.3 even in my car, it sounds like with mivec might be worth going 2.3 too.

You should just stop talking and respewing shit you see online, its just providing misinformation that isn't needed.
My 2.4 was built by some old guy that never did one, turns out that shit is still taking a beating.

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What mother fucker so your saying Shane and Danny from DB are providing me with horseshit info FUCK you ya Fucking prick. Sick and tired of your Fucking shit

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You never mentioned them before, but most of you tools that come on here and try to spew shit never do refer to the sources you get your info from.

Still doesn't change what I said, and I'm pretty sure shane has a 2.4 in his DSM.

Funny I'm tired of ass-hats like you constantly showing up talking out of their ass, either way it will still happen until the car fad is way down the line, sadly its only behind MMA, gym freaks, and now guns plenty more guys like you will be showing up talking plain old garbage.

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Dude are you on the rag, your a Fucking girl, I spew shit ok. Half your post are utterly useless

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FUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKK.

Ok carry on.

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Also please, please enlighten me to where ANY of my post I'm spewing shit out my ass, to where it sounds like I don't know what Im talking about. I don't think EVER I never have nor I never will give misleading info

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Little bitch signed off, I don't think he knows who he's running his mouth off too. Little cocksucker go change your Fucking tampon.

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HAHA!! LOUD NOISES!!!

While I agree with the fad thing, from the people I know who have had 2.4's on Evo's, most of them have had headgasket problems. I personally do not know what the physical differences are, but for some reason they don't seem as reliable as a 2.3 or 2.0. I know Bryce went through 2 or 3 headgaskets in his MAP 2.4 in like 6 months, and a handful of others that have had 2.4's in their Evo's on evoMN have all had some issue or another. I really have not heard of the same issues with DSM's. There must be some physical issue between the g4cs and the 4g64 and the DSM vs. Evo8/9 heads that cause this. Maybe someone with more knowledge can chime in why this is.

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OMGZ I had to changez my tamponzzzzzzzzzz..

So did bryce say why the HG blew? or are we just going to say blame the 2.4?
Ok, so turns out in an evo, 2.4s are a bit more work, but there seem to be plenty of people doing it right, turns out a bit more to keeping it together than just throwing it in the car and thinking it works.

I agree with GH, would love someone with more knowledge to come in and explain why a 2.4 doesn't work in an evo.

GH to be fair, people with almost every damn variation of these motors have had them go bad, so to make blanket statement like that makes a 2.4 seem not as attractive, but 2.0s go bad and 2.3s.
I mean you can't rev strokers too high or they will explode with that hideous rod ratio of theirs.

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True. I agree. Is there some difference in head gaskets? That is my main question. I know I have heard from lots of knowledgeable Evo guys that 4g64's puke head gaskets unless you o-ring them.

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Yeah if leak down test is bad ill rip it apart and decided on a 2.3L

Probably do what someone said above light port on head. Would you guys suggest oem springs valves etc? Or something else so i can rev it to 7500/8000 SAFELY ? Will also be trying that 20G turbo. If valves are shot ill prob get aftermarket since oem are super high priced

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Ohhh my Christ isn't that what I said pretty Fucking much to begin with. Your a piece of work you know that. Pretty god damn funny you never agree with anyone unless a mod or proven member says the say damn thing

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Ok not to be a dick to either one of you. I appreciate both inputs but can you really not have arguements in my thread lol. Do i need to make a tt1g vs evoj thread? Lol.

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I'm sorry T for highjacking it won't happen anymore

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I don't know why people would have hg problems with the EVO vs DSM, they have the same bore size, spacing and the EVO head is very similar to the DSM 2g head, which I have in my car right now. I can't think of anything but surface prep or tuning that would pop a 2.4 hg.

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^GH you make me laugh: LOUD NOISES!!!!

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I asked that you stop with the lies, but I know its tough.
I usually bump heads with everyone, because I'm one of the few that will post my opinion on here and not just talk shit behind everyone's back.

I also agree with steve on this about the head design and I know that I'll take a 2g head over a 1g and I'm 100% sure that mitsu somehow improved their head design/cast from 1995 to 2003 and later.

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:pc:

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The secret to a 2.4 Evo is the headgasket you use. :D

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Interesting fact: I get administrator emails as a post was reported :).

Back on topic to the OP:

You really need to be realistic with the intentions of the vehicle and your goals, realistic goals. Many builds have been delayed to a poorly designed "map to success" to where money dries up or vehicles are without supporting mods. Nothing worse than a built motor that needs frequent refreshing and is slower than a stock motor car + turbo upgrade.

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All drama now belongs here: http://www.mitsustyle.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32543

Bans come to those who continue it in this thread.

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Well a update

Pretty dead set on a 2.3 looking at map stage 1 2.3 with stage one head assembly etc BUT Im looking at a tad over 6,000 for that plus i wanna refresh my t case and rebuild my twin (needs to be done) plus need misc items rotors coils turbo etc.

Anyone got any other suggestions to save some $ 6k is a lot!

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Do a leakdown test. Could just be the head. These cars seem to get gunky valves every 50k or so for some reason.

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Yeah but since it has 115k wouldnt ot just be best to rebuild the whole thing?

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See what the leakdown shows first I say.

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This is chukee's old car? A few of us were discussing in the shoutbox the other day, I think I remember they said it had valve problems before, I would not be surprised if the bottom end was perfectly fine. Get the leakdown and hopefully it tells you the low compression is due to valves.

On another note, I can't believe stage 1 long blocks are going for $6k these days, I thought I was crazy for spending $3k on a really nice 2.3 like 5 years ago, ported head, radius valve job, line honed, the works.

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yeah you can spend 8k on motor and head pretty quick.

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Is that for installation labor and all of that? Or just for parts? Christ, if I was gonna spend that much I'd send it to Buschur or AMS or English Racing, etc

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Where does 6k come from anyways? Looking at MAP's site quick, I came up with ~$3900 with a stage I 2.3, stage I head w/ new valve guides and seals, H11's, and an OEM head gasket.

The extra ~$2k has got to be labor. Why not pull it and re-install it yourself?

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I would definitely say have map do the block but go else where for the head. I paid $1500 for my head parts and labor with porting and polishing (I reused my cams and valve springs). It would have been at least $2500 from map. Don't get me wrong they do great work but can be pricey

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Nope the extra 2k comes from assembly of block, i am taking it out and putting it back in. Comes from assembly oem master basket set timing belt kit head studs etc. Bunch of little shit that you might as well replace.

Yes this is chuckees old car i know i read on evom that he had problems thats what made me do the compression test.

After sleeping on it, i think i will save a buck if it is just valves i will just do a new head valve springs retainers seals head gasket and studs.

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Wow, page 4 and all this drama......and you don't have a leakdown test results yet? :) Sorry man but you are literally spinning yourself in circles (I've done it too) until you do a leakdown and know for sure.

This was years ago so I hope nobody gets upset of I spill the beans here but let me tell you about what happened to the engine in that car years and years ago. (note, this is from memory, so do NOT take it as fact please!) It was low on compression in one cylinder. A leakdown test was performed and a few cylinders were a little low and one was really low, but it was purely leaking down from the valves. So, the head came off, it got disassembled, machined, and reassembled. Leakdown tests were the same! The same! So off came the head again and in a moment of what I can only imagine is a mix of frustration and dedicated troubleshooting, the oil pan comes off.

Oil pan off, one of the cylinders is removed for inspection. Maybe all of them? I don't know. Everything looks peachy keen super nice, no issues. I do not recall if fresh bearings & rings were used but the bottom end was then re-assembled. The head as it was was then re-installed, but as it was being torqued down they did leakdown test to try to find the problem. Leakdown was *perfect* until the final torque sequence....somewhere somehow the head had basically been warped. Even though it had been cleaned prior to this (again to what extent, idk) it still leaked on final assembly. SO they yanked the head again, had the machine shop go through it with a fine toothed lathe (lol) and re-assembled with fresh gaskets and everything--voila, a healhy 'stock' motor.

So, do a leakdown test, it really will tell you everything, as long as you are careful and do it right.

As far as the $6k goes, if you plan on doing the bottom end and even touch the head you will break $5k pretty quick. Don't skimp on anything, do it right and do it once. If your crank is in good shape, there's nothing wrong with a good 2.0! That being said, you can sell your good crank to help offset the cost of a different one.

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On your DSM right? I think this guy has to pay Evo tax.

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$3k get will get you a nice stage 2 shortblock in your choice of displacement (2.0-2.4). All this guy really needs is a stage 1 so he can do either a 2.0 or 2.3 for under $2,500. Like Scheides mentioned above though, this car has always had recurring head issues so I'm sure that's where it lies; which he can do anywhere from $500 to $2k.

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good luck buddy, hope its an easier fix than tearing the whole damn motor down. lmk if you need any help. I'm home quite a bit during these winter months

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Yeah, I probably spent $6k myself for that Evo 2.4 build I did, Evo's are quite a bit more expensive for everything compared to a DSM engine build. I had MAP do all the machine work and I bought a lot of the parts from them, but I did all the engine assembly. Glad to be back to my cheap DSM. :D