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I think you really need to decide what your goals are Greg before anybody can really help that much. No point to get some huge turbo and a bunch of other baller stuff if your goal is only 500 on a dyno jet.
You have to really pick out a goal for either power or times then go do your research. Then based on your goals go look at dsmtuners, here, other dsm forums and search for threads around your goal level and see what other people have done to reach your goal level. I understand wanting the best and wanting to do an awesome build but if you only want 500 dyno jet you're wasting a lot of money with some of the stuff you've said so far. Remember if you go for some crazy build to get a crazy built transmission to go along with the power. For what its worth I loved my bolt on mitsu housing turbo on my fp manifold. No worries about cracking and could've passed it off for stock to a car newb |
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My wife's old 2.0l 1G with an SC61 on it was laggy. It had a tubular manifold, which didn't help at all with spool, but it was only a .63 A/R and it had a small exhaust wheel compared to a 6262 or 6266. With medium cams and and a typical SMIM it was a pain to get it to spool in 2nd gear. The gearing is so long on DSMs versus an Evo, STI, Supra, Civic, etc that you really drop a lot of RPMs on each shift. I could never quite get the revlimiter high enough to not have it fall on it's face going into 2nd, even with NLTS, but it was a stock motor without a good valvetrain so 8500 was pushing my luck already.
Usually most turbos above the 16G/20G or other smaller bolt-on setups are a big jump in lag. Going from an Evo 3 16G to a typical T3/T4 is big lag increase and then from a typical T3/T4 to a 61mm-67mm is a big lag increase. |
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I guess my power goals are around 600whp, But I'm open to whatever that build can get me, I just don't wanna do a build that's built to handle over 600whp and only put down 500whp.. yea know what I mean? I really appreciate all the suggestions, comments and trying to help me out. |
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And I guess another hiccup I'm trying to figure out is.. Which is better for around 600whp, A built 2g or a built 1g head?
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This thread reads exactly like a lot of threads on here from 2004.
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From memory strictly modified was running a beefy t3 turbo with a t3 to mitsu adaptor flange on their red 2g.
That car went 9s and pretty sure it made a little over 500 ;) Think its a pretty good flowing manifold for the money |
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600hp on what dyno? Kerry made over 600hp dyno-jet on an FP manifold and a regular old SCM61, think it was internally gated too.
Something else about tubulars. They look cool and all, but it also comes with some unwanted complexity. Rather than 4 bolts on top of the manifold, easy to get to, to attach/remove the turbo, you now get to deal with 4 bolts underneath, that are a pain to get to. They might come loose so you have to go under there with an allen or whatever to tighten. installing the nuts to attach the mani to the head, depending on the manifold that can be a PITA. You will likely have no heat shield. At least in my experience, the more I mod and put in aftermarket stuff, the more I appreciate OEM quality and designs. And the more I appreciate keeping things simple. Not always the case obviously, but often the case in my experience so far. Just my point of view I guess, everyone will have their own. Good luck to you whatever path you choose. |
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I guess I'm just trying to get the most out of what I got, If you all say that manifold is the best way to go I'll take your word for it, But what's the best setup for that then? 5858BB? Do I get an external wastegate? My shortblock is rated 700+ |
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600awhp at DB is serious power, close to 700hp at MAP (dynojet).
I don't know a ton about the PTE billet stuff. But if they make a bolt-on housing for the billet 58mm, I personally think that would be a killer street setup. Alternative options might be the BW S200 series. I believe they make an S256 and an S258/59 that are available in bolt on housings as well. |
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I have a T3 manifold for sale for $150 if you are interested.
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Mitsubishi: .48 ar external (manifold mounted) .63 ar external (manifold mounted) .48 ar external (o2 mounted) .63 ar external (o2 mounted) .48 ar Divided with standard wastegate .63 ar Divided with standard wastegate .48 ar Undivided with standard wastegate .63 ar Undivided with standard wastegate |
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fp mani, maybe a 5858dbb turbo with a wet kit? direct port nitrous? lol
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I don't know your background, but 58mm at 30psi, no nitrous, will probably have you gitty as a school girl.
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You will be fast enough to beat most off the bottle and if you run into something that somehow goes around you, then flip the switches. I know a guy selling a kit for cheap too.... :guns: |
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Oh what a dick lol
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5858 and bigbrowns nitrours kit would make a killer set up.
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Dead serious though, it would be. I was going to do the same thing with a 16G setup a few years ago, but well times have changed. |
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I wanna shoot for around 500-550 on DB's dyno without nitrous.. Think a FP manifold could do that? If so, what would it consist of?
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So what's with this all talk and no pictures of the car?
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Some pics of my baby :)
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That thing looks mint.
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OMGZ FRS coupe! :drool:
Nice car, FP manifold isn't a huge restriction a guy trapped 137 with a 76hta in a 2800+ car. |
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Alright here is an update of the build now, Let me know what you all think.
MAP stage 2 shortblock: Wiseco HD 9.5 or 9.7:1 Not sure on the connecting rods yet BSE GSC S2 Cams GSC beehive valve springs w/ Titanium retainer Mishimoto radiator ETS Race intercoooler core, 10.5" Thickness:3( Which I think would work) -8an fuel lines Walbro 400 The new 1600cc FIC DSMLink w/SD AEM Air Temp sensor, AEM Map sensor 5 bar JM Fab Race Intake Mani Still trying to decide on which TB to use FP Mani PTE 5858DBB Tial BOV E85 Thermal R&D Exhaust Selling: ETS Street intercooler kit, 98 ECU(ECUFlash Compatible), EVO316G Turbo(around 1800 miles on it) 950cc FIC(around 1800miles on em) |
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looking for 550-600whp?
Also if you are gonna pay for upgraded line, maybe go to -8an? No nitrous no care. |
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Around 550whp at DB
-8an lines will work also Thinking about a wet kit yes, But after everything else is done. |
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no 2150s no care.
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I'm just playing with you man.
Check with your tuner about what injectors to buy. I have 2150s because I wanted more friends online, so far its working, I haven't run out of fuel. |
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The stock lines are nearly the same size as -6AN.
I personally think you are spending money in a lot of areas you don't have to. But at this point I think I've said all I can, and different strokes for different folks. Good luck with it!! |
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What are you doing for a Trans or a clutch?
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