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C3L1CA 11-21-2012 10:01 AM

Re: My New 98 gsx build
 
I think you really need to decide what your goals are Greg before anybody can really help that much. No point to get some huge turbo and a bunch of other baller stuff if your goal is only 500 on a dyno jet.

You have to really pick out a goal for either power or times then go do your research. Then based on your goals go look at dsmtuners, here, other dsm forums and search for threads around your goal level and see what other people have done to reach your goal level.

I understand wanting the best and wanting to do an awesome build but if you only want 500 dyno jet you're wasting a lot of money with some of the stuff you've said so far. Remember if you go for some crazy build to get a crazy built transmission to go along with the power.



For what its worth I loved my bolt on mitsu housing turbo on my fp manifold. No worries about cracking and could've passed it off for stock to a car newb

Shane@DBPerformance 11-21-2012 11:15 AM

Re: My New 98 gsx build
 
My wife's old 2.0l 1G with an SC61 on it was laggy. It had a tubular manifold, which didn't help at all with spool, but it was only a .63 A/R and it had a small exhaust wheel compared to a 6262 or 6266. With medium cams and and a typical SMIM it was a pain to get it to spool in 2nd gear. The gearing is so long on DSMs versus an Evo, STI, Supra, Civic, etc that you really drop a lot of RPMs on each shift. I could never quite get the revlimiter high enough to not have it fall on it's face going into 2nd, even with NLTS, but it was a stock motor without a good valvetrain so 8500 was pushing my luck already.

Usually most turbos above the 16G/20G or other smaller bolt-on setups are a big jump in lag. Going from an Evo 3 16G to a typical T3/T4 is big lag increase and then from a typical T3/T4 to a 61mm-67mm is a big lag increase.

Yiddie 11-21-2012 01:09 PM

Re: My New 98 gsx build
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Halon (Post 418741)
I know we live in a world today where on the internet, anything smaller than a 61mm is "small". Forget that bullshit, a 62mm is a fairly large turbo to 99% of us. That turbo is going to shift your power band quite a bit to the right. Add in a SMIM, not sure what you're reading but that will also likely move your power band even more right. Add in larger cams, more right. Add in some tubular manifold instead of the short runner cast one (that EVERYONE is telling you to keep but for some reason you have a hard-on for tubular), and that may move it a tad more right.

By the time you're all said n done, I would predict your setup to hit 30psi around 5k+ RPM. I say that because that's about where my similar setup on my Talon hit 30psi (built 2.0, T3 tubular mani, S362, JMF intake, 272 cams). It's a world of a difference from a 16g as far as lag goes. Which may very well have a negative affect on how "enjoyable" the car is to drive. And this is EXACTLY why all of us are saying to stick with the FP manifold, and go with as small of a turbo that reaches your power goals.

Kerry on here had an FP manifold, and a bolt on SCM61, he out-spooled me and kept up up-top.

I just look at it as.. My new build will have potential to make over 600+WHP If I keep the fp manifold it makes it limited. Don't get me wrong I love that manifold and getting a 5858BB is a great idea, But if I ever wanted to make more power I'd have to buy another turbo and a tubular, If I can afford a tubular and a t3 turbo I mind as well. I kinda just wanna do this one big build and not have to mess with it for a while.

I guess my power goals are around 600whp, But I'm open to whatever that build can get me, I just don't wanna do a build that's built to handle over 600whp and only put down 500whp.. yea know what I mean?

I really appreciate all the suggestions, comments and trying to help me out.

Yiddie 11-21-2012 01:16 PM

Re: My New 98 gsx build
 
And I guess another hiccup I'm trying to figure out is.. Which is better for around 600whp, A built 2g or a built 1g head?

Shane@DBPerformance 11-21-2012 01:19 PM

Re: My New 98 gsx build
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Yiddie (Post 418758)
I just don't wanna do a build that's built to handle over 600whp and only put down 500whp.. yea know what I mean?

There is a big advantage to doing that though.

Shane@DBPerformance 11-21-2012 01:20 PM

Re: My New 98 gsx build
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Yiddie (Post 418759)
And I guess another hiccup I'm trying to figure out is.. Which is better for around 600whp, A built 2g or a built 1g head?

2G

Super Bleeder!! 11-21-2012 01:20 PM

Re: My New 98 gsx build
 
This thread reads exactly like a lot of threads on here from 2004.

C3L1CA 11-21-2012 01:24 PM

Re: My New 98 gsx build
 
From memory strictly modified was running a beefy t3 turbo with a t3 to mitsu adaptor flange on their red 2g.

That car went 9s and pretty sure it made a little over 500 ;) Think its a pretty good flowing manifold for the money

Halon 11-21-2012 01:28 PM

Re: My New 98 gsx build
 
600hp on what dyno? Kerry made over 600hp dyno-jet on an FP manifold and a regular old SCM61, think it was internally gated too.

Something else about tubulars. They look cool and all, but it also comes with some unwanted complexity. Rather than 4 bolts on top of the manifold, easy to get to, to attach/remove the turbo, you now get to deal with 4 bolts underneath, that are a pain to get to. They might come loose so you have to go under there with an allen or whatever to tighten. installing the nuts to attach the mani to the head, depending on the manifold that can be a PITA. You will likely have no heat shield.

At least in my experience, the more I mod and put in aftermarket stuff, the more I appreciate OEM quality and designs. And the more I appreciate keeping things simple. Not always the case obviously, but often the case in my experience so far.

Just my point of view I guess, everyone will have their own. Good luck to you whatever path you choose.

Halon 11-21-2012 01:30 PM

Re: My New 98 gsx build
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Shane@DBPerformance (Post 418762)
2G

x2

Yiddie 11-21-2012 01:43 PM

Re: My New 98 gsx build
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Shane@DBPerformance (Post 418761)
There is a big advantage to doing that though.

What do you mean exactly?

Super Bleeder!! 11-21-2012 01:46 PM

Re: My New 98 gsx build
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Yiddie (Post 418771)
What do you mean exactly?

He means if you build a drivetrain that can support 600hp and then only run 500hp through it you'll likely end up with a reliable machine.

Yiddie 11-21-2012 01:48 PM

Re: My New 98 gsx build
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Halon (Post 418765)
600hp on what dyno? Kerry made over 600hp dyno-jet on an FP manifold and a regular old SCM61, think it was internally gated too.

Something else about tubulars. They look cool and all, but it also comes with some unwanted complexity. Rather than 4 bolts on top of the manifold, easy to get to, to attach/remove the turbo, you now get to deal with 4 bolts underneath, that are a pain to get to. They might come loose so you have to go under there with an allen or whatever to tighten. installing the nuts to attach the mani to the head, depending on the manifold that can be a PITA. You will likely have no heat shield.

At least in my experience, the more I mod and put in aftermarket stuff, the more I appreciate OEM quality and designs. And the more I appreciate keeping things simple. Not always the case obviously, but often the case in my experience so far.

Just my point of view I guess, everyone will have their own. Good luck to you whatever path you choose.

It's getting tuned at DB.

I guess I'm just trying to get the most out of what I got, If you all say that manifold is the best way to go I'll take your word for it, But what's the best setup for that then? 5858BB? Do I get an external wastegate?

My shortblock is rated 700+

Yiddie 11-21-2012 01:50 PM

Re: My New 98 gsx build
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Super Bleeder!! (Post 418772)
He means if you build a drivetrain that can support 600hp and then only run 500hp through it you'll likely end up with a reliable machine.

Well I figured that lol I just thought there was more to it than that haha

Halon 11-21-2012 02:09 PM

Re: My New 98 gsx build
 
600awhp at DB is serious power, close to 700hp at MAP (dynojet).

I don't know a ton about the PTE billet stuff. But if they make a bolt-on housing for the billet 58mm, I personally think that would be a killer street setup. Alternative options might be the BW S200 series. I believe they make an S256 and an S258/59 that are available in bolt on housings as well.

turbotalon1g 11-21-2012 02:21 PM

Re: My New 98 gsx build
 
I have a T3 manifold for sale for $150 if you are interested.

Yiddie 11-21-2012 02:25 PM

Re: My New 98 gsx build
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Halon (Post 418775)
600awhp at DB is serious power, close to 700hp at MAP (dynojet).

I don't know a ton about the PTE billet stuff. But if they make a bolt-on housing for the billet 58mm, I personally think that would be a killer street setup. Alternative options might be the BW S200 series. I believe they make an S256 and an S258/59 that are available in bolt on housings as well.

I'll take a look at those ones too, But this is the options it gives me for the 5858 which only has a hp rating of 620 at the engine

Mitsubishi:
.48 ar external (manifold mounted)
.63 ar external (manifold mounted)
.48 ar external (o2 mounted)
.63 ar external (o2 mounted)
.48 ar Divided with standard wastegate
.63 ar Divided with standard wastegate
.48 ar Undivided with standard wastegate
.63 ar Undivided with standard wastegate

Yiddie 11-21-2012 03:22 PM

Re: My New 98 gsx build
 
fp mani, maybe a 5858dbb turbo with a wet kit? direct port nitrous? lol

Halon 11-21-2012 03:25 PM

Re: My New 98 gsx build
 
I don't know your background, but 58mm at 30psi, no nitrous, will probably have you gitty as a school girl.

turbotalon1g 11-21-2012 03:28 PM

Re: My New 98 gsx build
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Yiddie (Post 418787)
fp mani, maybe a 5858dbb turbo with a wet kit? direct port nitrous? lol

This.

You will be fast enough to beat most off the bottle and if you run into something that somehow goes around you, then flip the switches.

I know a guy selling a kit for cheap too.... :guns:

Yiddie 11-21-2012 03:30 PM

Re: My New 98 gsx build
 
Oh what a dick lol

93gtpeater 11-21-2012 06:15 PM

Re: My New 98 gsx build
 
5858 and bigbrowns nitrours kit would make a killer set up.

turbotalon1g 11-21-2012 09:01 PM

Re: My New 98 gsx build
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Yiddie (Post 418791)
Oh what a dick lol

You saw the pics?

Dead serious though, it would be. I was going to do the same thing with a 16G setup a few years ago, but well times have changed.

Yiddie 11-22-2012 11:16 PM

Re: My New 98 gsx build
 
I wanna shoot for around 500-550 on DB's dyno without nitrous.. Think a FP manifold could do that? If so, what would it consist of?

b00sted_spyder 11-22-2012 11:29 PM

Re: My New 98 gsx build
 
So what's with this all talk and no pictures of the car?

b00sted_spyder 11-22-2012 11:30 PM

Re: My New 98 gsx build
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Yiddie (Post 418820)
I wanna shoot for around 500-550 on DB's dyno without nitrous.. Think a FP manifold could do that? If so, what would it consist of?

Brad did that with no problems. Even with a stock bottom end.

Yiddie 11-23-2012 12:12 AM

Re: My New 98 gsx build
 
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Some pics of my baby :)

b00sted_spyder 11-23-2012 01:10 AM

Re: My New 98 gsx build
 
That thing looks mint.

turbotalon1g 11-23-2012 08:01 AM

Re: My New 98 gsx build
 
OMGZ FRS coupe! :drool:

Nice car, FP manifold isn't a huge restriction a guy trapped 137 with a 76hta in a 2800+ car.

Halon 11-23-2012 12:02 PM

Re: My New 98 gsx build
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Yiddie (Post 418820)
I wanna shoot for around 500-550 on DB's dyno without nitrous.. Think a FP manifold could do that? If so, what would it consist of?

For the 100th time, yes.

C3L1CA 11-23-2012 02:02 PM

Re: My New 98 gsx build
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjdNPd7k9vI&sns=em

Fp manifold on boost only

Yiddie 11-27-2012 03:13 PM

Re: My New 98 gsx build
 
Alright here is an update of the build now, Let me know what you all think.

MAP stage 2 shortblock:
Wiseco HD 9.5 or 9.7:1
Not sure on the connecting rods yet
BSE
GSC S2 Cams
GSC beehive valve springs w/ Titanium retainer
Mishimoto radiator
ETS Race intercoooler core, 10.5" Thickness:3( Which I think would work)
-8an fuel lines
Walbro 400
The new 1600cc FIC
DSMLink w/SD
AEM Air Temp sensor, AEM Map sensor 5 bar
JM Fab Race Intake Mani
Still trying to decide on which TB to use
FP Mani
PTE 5858DBB
Tial BOV
E85
Thermal R&D Exhaust

Selling: ETS Street intercooler kit, 98 ECU(ECUFlash Compatible), EVO316G Turbo(around 1800 miles on it) 950cc FIC(around 1800miles on em)

turbotalon1g 11-27-2012 03:16 PM

Re: My New 98 gsx build
 
looking for 550-600whp?

Also if you are gonna pay for upgraded line, maybe go to -8an?

No nitrous no care.

Yiddie 11-27-2012 03:48 PM

Re: My New 98 gsx build
 
Around 550whp at DB

-8an lines will work also

Thinking about a wet kit yes, But after everything else is done.

turbotalon1g 11-27-2012 04:21 PM

Re: My New 98 gsx build
 
no 2150s no care.

Yiddie 11-27-2012 04:33 PM

Re: My New 98 gsx build
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by turbotalon1g (Post 419105)
no 2150s no care.

Whys that? 1600s on E85 should be good for 575-625awhp on DB's Dyno.

turbotalon1g 11-27-2012 04:41 PM

Re: My New 98 gsx build
 
I'm just playing with you man.

Check with your tuner about what injectors to buy. I have 2150s because I wanted more friends online, so far its working, I haven't run out of fuel.

Halon 11-27-2012 04:50 PM

Re: My New 98 gsx build
 
The stock lines are nearly the same size as -6AN.

I personally think you are spending money in a lot of areas you don't have to. But at this point I think I've said all I can, and different strokes for different folks. Good luck with it!!

enasnitsi 11-27-2012 06:16 PM

Re: My New 98 gsx build
 
What are you doing for a Trans or a clutch?

turbotalon1g 11-27-2012 06:19 PM

Re: My New 98 gsx build
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Halon (Post 419108)
The stock lines are nearly the same size as -6AN.

I personally think you are spending money in a lot of areas you don't have to. But at this point I think I've said all I can, and different strokes for different folks. Good luck with it!!

No big dollar build no care. :whoo:


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